High Eye Relief - 2X - 4X Rifle Scope Recommendations


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Werewolf
April 9, 2006, 01:00 PM
I guess what I'm actually looking for is what J. Cooper would call a scout scope.

I want it for a flat top AR-15.

Hunted around a bit but can't seem to find anything that fits the bill.

Y'all got any recommendations?

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TheEgg
April 9, 2006, 02:50 PM
A little confused by your question: Do you mean Long Eye Relief?

Lefty270wsm
April 9, 2006, 03:40 PM
I have a leupold m8 2 power eer scope I will take 200 shiipped to you , If you are interested let me know

Bartholomew Roberts
April 9, 2006, 07:05 PM
Where are you going to mount a long or extended eye relief scope on an AR? You will need a special mount or your cheek hanging off the end of the stock to use anything with more than 4" of eye relief.

rbernie
April 9, 2006, 07:33 PM
The only way to use a scout scope on a flattop is to also get a SOLID railed forearm (which from my limited experience means free floating and lots of $$). If that's the route you want to go, only Burris and Leupold make true Intermediate Eye Relief (IER meaning 9"-11" of eye relief) scopes.

Werewolf
April 9, 2006, 08:21 PM
Where are you going to mount a long or extended eye relief scope on an AR? You will need a special mount or your cheek hanging off the end of the stock to use anything with more than 4" of eye relief.
__________________Thankyou - I hadn't thought of that - you saved me some money undoubtedly.

I've got a red dot on there now but 1X just doesn't do it for these old eyes much past 75 or 80 yards.

I figured 2X would be perfect out to about 200 which is as far as I ever shoot.

So is there something like a 2X red dot out there that'd work on an AR-15 with flat top?

SnakeEater
April 9, 2006, 09:31 PM
I think that this (http://www.valdada.com/vn/ior/03q) will fit the bill nicely.

Werewolf
April 9, 2006, 10:02 PM
:D Thanks SnakeEater (really - I'm not being sarcastic here) but shooting is my hobby not my profession. I probably spend 3 or 4 grand a year on it acquiring new guns and stuff for them.

$645 (besides being 2/3 the price of the rifle) is a lot more than I want to pay for a sight. For a bit over a $100 bucks more I could get that Sig P226 I've had a hankerin' for. For Half that I could get that CZ-452 I've had my eye on or maybe a shotgun suitable for the 3 gun matches that the IPSC group has been having lately (suggestions?) and I've wanted to compete in.

It all boils down to priorities I guess and $645 will buy stuff that will provide me a lot more bang for the buck than that (drool) sight would.

SnakeEater
April 9, 2006, 10:15 PM
I completely understand your reasoning, I'm not exactly rolling in the money myself. However, every now and then I find it to be wise to sacrifice buying "more", and instead buy "better". I've seen that sight going for as low as $550 at some retailers. Before I really got into high end optics I would always pass on them using the same reasoning as you are now. I've since learned that a fine optic can bring me as much or usually more pleasure than just buying another gun.

Just something to think about. Good luck in your search.

CowboyEngr
April 10, 2006, 03:28 PM
I know little about an AR application, but the good scout scopes are made by Leupold and Burris (perhaps others that I'm not aware). New prices run $250 - $300. They work well when mounted on the right rifle set-up. They take a little bit to get used to, but when done most people like it.

Lebben-B
April 11, 2006, 05:50 AM
How about using a variable power shotgun scope? A 1-4 or 5x might fit the bill nicely. Usually scopes like this are parallax free at 1x out to around 100m or so. Simmons and Swift both make a good scope like this for around a $100 or so.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/lebbenB/S3000084.jpg
Here's a pic of one of my ARs with a Swift 1.5-4.5x using an Armalite mount. Works like a champ.

Mike

Don't Tread On Me
April 11, 2006, 07:11 AM
figured 2X would be perfect out to about 200 which is as far as I ever shoot.



Get the 2x Aimpoint.

TeachMe
April 11, 2006, 06:20 PM
Would a variable 2x-7x be too much magnification? If not, that may give you low enough power for up close and give you the option of more magnification at long distance. I have no experience with this set up, so it's purely a suggestion/question.

lycanthrope
April 11, 2006, 08:40 PM
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~jefwolfe/gator.JPG

1.5x-5x Simmons Pro Diamond. I got one of the last $50 scopes from CDNN. Fast and accurate.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 11, 2006, 08:44 PM
A shotgun scope may be a good solution, though as Lebben-B's picture shows, you may need to forward mount it if you don't want your cheek on the back of the stock.

The Leupold 1-4x shotgun scope ($179) works well and is a little more compact than the Swift shown above. It has about 4" of eye relief though so if you shoot nose-to-charging handle you will want to an extended eye relief mount like those made by Larue (assuming you want to spend as much on the mount as you did on the glass). Looks like the Simmons works out well on the receiver too.

Lebben-B
April 12, 2006, 06:16 AM
you may need to forward mount it if you don't want your cheek on the back of the stock.


That's another advantage to using a shotgun scope. Many are designed with extended eye relief.

Mike

MyRoad
April 13, 2006, 04:59 AM
First, on red dots: +1 for Aimpoint (if you have the money). And don't be tempted to get the TruGlow 2X red dot -- I did, and it's a total waste of time/money.

I built a version of a scout rifle, and because the mounting point of the scope was restricted, I ended out needing a scope with about 12" of eye relief. I wanted more than 2X or 4X magnification, so the dedicated Scout Scopes (Leupold and Burris) wouldn't do it for me. Bushnell has an "extended" eye relief scope, but it only goes to about 6" (IIRC). So, the first thing I suggest you do is actually measure what you need. On the other end of the scale, most handgun scopes have 16"-18" of eye relief. In the end I found a Burris Handgun scope that has an adjustable range of 11"-18" of eye relief - and it's a 2-7X variable, so that did it for me.

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