illegal immigration: The Terminatrix has a solution


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longeyes
April 10, 2006, 02:33 PM
To think this guy once had a future--before he became Governor Maria...


An Immigrant Writes
By ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
April 10, 2006; Page A18

President Reagan memorably described his "shining city on a hill" as a place that "hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here." Perhaps because he'd been a border state governor, Reagan understood the challenges and the opportunities presented by immigration. He believed, as I do, that we can have an immigration policy that both strengthens our borders and welcomes immigrants.

Immigration is not just a theory debated on talk shows and on Capitol Hill; in California, it's a reality that we live with every day in our schools, hospitals and workplaces. When Congress returns from its Easter recess, it must immediately address immigration reform again. I urge Congress to remember that immigrants are good people; but our current immigration system is bad policy. We need a new law.

Already we hear so much talk about so many false choices. We are told that in a free society it's not possible to have border security. We are advised that in order to secure the borders, we must deport 12 million people. Never mind that we don't know who they are or where they are, and that it could cost up to $230 billion to do it.

I reject these false choices, and Congress should too. I salute the members of both parties in Congress who are conducting a civil, serious discussion on this issue. I urge them to agree on legislation based on a simple philosophy: control of the border . . . and compassion for the immigrant. These are the twin pillars around which we must construct a new immigration policy. They are both essential elements in our overall immigration strategy. Without both, our strategy is destined to collapse.

To pursue a policy of stronger borders, Congress must get serious about our security. Before 9/11, we gambled that everyone entering our country had good intentions. After 9/11, we cannot afford to take that chance again. A stronger border means more border patrol agents, better equipment and greater resources. We cannot ask state and local officials to bear the cost and responsibility of enforcing federal immigration laws. They are not trained or equipped to do it. The presence of the citizens' groups along our border is a reminder of the federal government's failure to do its job. Government officials, not private citizens, are responsible for our borders. They need to do it right -- and to do it right now.

A stronger border also requires real solutions, not soundbites or symbolic gestures. Building a wall sounds good and a fence may do some good in certain places. But every wall can be scaled with a ladder. Brick walls and chain link fences will not stop the desires and dreams of a father who is desperate to feed his family. And making it a felony to cross the border crosses the line into pure politics. Instead, we need to bring the 12 million undocumented workers out of the shadows and into the light. I support a temporary worker program to allow American businesses to hire foreign workers when no one else will do the job. How ironic it is to hear some of the same voices who complain about the outsourcing of jobs also complain about the use of immigrant workers here in America.

Still, we can do more to address the root of immigration. That's why President Clinton was right to help stabilize Mexico's economy in the '90s, and why President Bush is right today to propose a free trade zone throughout the Americas. By fostering economic growth in other countries, we foster greater security in our own.

To pursue a policy of compassion, Congress must attack the problem, not people. A compassionate immigration policy will fight this battle at the borders, not in our schools and not in our hospitals. Teachers, doctors and charity workers should not have to choose between helping those in need and enforcing the law. A compassionate immigration policy will acknowledge that immigrants are just like us: They're moms and dads looking for work, wanting to provide for their kids. Any measure that punishes charities and individuals who comfort and help immigrants is not only unnecessary, but un-American.

Yes, immigration reform is a difficult issue. But it must be guided by a simple goal: compassion for the immigrant, control of the borders. Congress should not rest until it achieves both.

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Biker
April 10, 2006, 02:39 PM
Sorry, fresh outa compassion. Funny how pols who live in Fancy-Dan houses in nice neighborhoods with bodyguards are so free with compassion.
Hell, I need a shot o' Beam.
Biker

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 02:50 PM
Yes, "compassion" is a word that needs to be taken into the shop for repairs. It's pretty dinged up. Nations are not Christian philanthropic societies, last time I checked.

Schwarzenegger has decided to become a Bush-with-muscles--in other words, a tough-talking socialist creampuff.

I think it's time we started applying the word "squatters" to this debate. If illegals congregate in your backyard they don't automatically have a right to your house just because they throw down a tent and sleeping bags.

But that seems to be the philosophy they're peddling.

Biker
April 10, 2006, 02:56 PM
I'll tell ya, Longeyes, they're pedding it and the pols will buy it. Guaran-damn-teed.
There're a million squeaky wheels in the street right now. Between them and the corps, what do you think the pols will do?
Biker

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 03:10 PM
I wonder what all these "peaceful marches" are costing the taxpayer in terms of police manpower. More to come too.

Clean97GTI
April 10, 2006, 03:13 PM
While I love Arnold for actually saying that its the FedGov's job to secure the border (we are paying them to do this mind you) he can't be so blind as to see that its not really happening...can he?

Just another rich politician who is out of touch with his constiuency.

bowfin
April 10, 2006, 03:51 PM
Biker,

You mean to tell me that the nanny for your kids, your housekeeper, your gardener and landscaper, plus the construction crew building the gazebo at your summer home are all legal immigrants, and you are paying a fair wage to all of them!?!

Next, you are going to tell me that you don't even have a nanny, a housekeeper, a gardener, a landscaper, and no plans for a gazebo at your summer home, so sending illegals home won't hurt you...;)

R.H. Lee
April 10, 2006, 04:01 PM
Y'all have got it backwards. If you had listened to Rush this morning, you'd understand how the cheap labor provided by illegal immigration is good. Not only does it boost profits for businessowners, but it avoids all the onerous burdensome labor laws and regulations and unnecessary payroll tax expenses and reporting.

It also will boost everyone's wages because it encourages investment. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12208037

:D

Biker
April 10, 2006, 04:26 PM
This is what we can look forward to.

www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004951.htm

Biker

skidmark
April 10, 2006, 04:29 PM
Compasion is for those that are themselves compasionate!

I heard early this AM that there is now a "theme" for the immigration marches: "We are going to get respect, and we are going to vote!"

I can just barely begin to deal with the concept of a person "getting" respect for themself, as opposed to the traditional, old-fashioned way of "earning" respect by one's behavior. How I feel about someone "getting respect" is going to make Art's grandmaw's ears very sore, so I will leave that alone.

Can anyone tell me how these illegals are going to vote? I thought you had to be a citizen to do that.

Yeah, I know everybody is yacking about "amnesty" and all such as that. But seriously, how many of them are going to be able to pass the tests?

Yesterday we had a rally in the local park. There was a young lady whose daddy is a citizen but she crossed the border after he had established himself here, so she is illegal. She had a sign proclaiming her wonderful high school grade point average and her extracurricular activities. Her sign also proclaimed she was an illegal and asked if it was "fair" that she be denied citizenship.

Here in Virginia there are things called "Standards of Learning" that kids are tested on to see if they can get a high school diploma. At least once in middle school and once in high school they are supposed to have a civics class that is supposed to cover what it takes to be a citizen (natural-born and naturalized) and what behaviors indicate "poor citizenship" - and they do not mean talking in class without first raising your hand or having overdue library books. One of the indicators of "poor citizenship" is violating the law. Was this young lady not in class the nanosecond that was covered?

I'm through ranting now. I'm going to join Biker in a glass of Beam. My glass will be one of those Moose Cups from the drive-thru.

stay safe.

skidmark

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 04:50 PM
If we cave to the marchers and their allies we will be endorsing illegality--not just the protesters but our political representatives, who seem to think they can ignore our will.

If we cave to the marchers we will be endorsing the idea, now becoming protest gospel, that America was built on the backs of illegal immigrants and that they are the ones that sustain America's prosperity. Utterly absurd. This is stupid, arrant--and dangerous--nonsense.

shootinstudent
April 10, 2006, 05:26 PM
I am happy to see that the Governator is not listening to the vocal minority that wants to waste all our tax dollars building walls and having police running around demanding citizenship papers 24 hours a day.

The reason Arnie is taking this moderate stance is that he's listening to the voters. No one wants to pay extreme prices, and most people recognize that illegal immigrants are by and large average joes who just want to work. He also recognizes how important hispanic American voters are, and why republicans should listen to them.

Kudos to the Governor for getting an issue right that some national republicans have got so, so wrong.

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 06:55 PM
Arnold is listening not to the voters but to his wife, and she's listening to Ted Kennedy.

He tried to do the right thing and when he was rebuffed decided the wrong thing was good enough.

Arnold is one more weak man who needs to be adulated and loved. That's the difference between a real hero and a narcissistic bodybuilder.

shootinstudent
April 10, 2006, 06:59 PM
Arnold is listening not to the voters but to his wife, and she's listening to Ted Kennedy.

He tried to do the right thing and when he was rebuffed decided the wrong thing was good enough.

Arnold is one more weak man who needs to be adulated and loved. That's the difference between a real hero and a narcissistic bodybuilder.

Arnie's personal habits aside, look at the numbers.

Pro-liberalized immigration gets millions of protest participants over a period of weeks.

Anti-immigration forces get some radio show spots and a handful of folks down in the desert.

To be harshly anti-immigrant is to ignore the majority in order to placate a vocal minority. That's just plain bad politics, and I'm glad Arnie isn't caving in to the small special interest groups who want to waste taxpayer money on walls and special citizenship-police.

slzy
April 10, 2006, 07:24 PM
the harshly anti-immigrant folks have net access and telephones and faxes. they have not yet had to take to the streets like the neo-marxists so far have.

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 07:35 PM
The anti-ILLEGAL immigration contingent hasn't yet HAD to make its presence felt in the streets. The silent majority doesn't operate that way unless they feel their vitals are at stake. The way it works is this: One day the guy you never paid that much attention to is just "background," the next day he is Your Enemy. That is the direction we are going here, as Americans begin to recognize that they are being bullied, threatened, and dissed, with the help of a lot of anti-American groups.

longeyes
April 10, 2006, 07:38 PM
Americans are having a dark night of the soul while all this is going on. They are communing with themselves, asking what they should do when their political representatives are in betrayal mode. This is no different from the husband who finds out his wife's having an affair. He can walk out or do much worse. I'll let you figure out the political analogs.

Lucky
April 10, 2006, 07:51 PM
I feel sorry for you guys about 5 or 10 years after they allow millions of illegal aliens to stay in the country. Right about that time those millions of aliens will realize they don't have to fear being deported, and they'll not want to work for peanuts any more...

Economically speaking, it seems that your illegal aliens are only of value to an economy as long as they live in fear of being deported. It's sort of an institutionalized extortion, and the economists must realize that if they grant amnesty to all the illegals they simply become a massive number of unskilled workers, demanding regular wages, striking, striking on larger scales, and then rioting en masse.

I think I don't understand the 'moral' ground the liberal types say on your news? Seems kind of immoral to encourage illegal immigration, then extort them to work as sub-citizens, who are beneath the law. Also seems kind of dumb to expect the economic benefits slave labour provides to continue on AFTER you free the slaves.

Are your liberals really that dumb?

crazed_ss
April 10, 2006, 07:55 PM
Did Arnie actually wright that?
I actually agree with him for once..

benewton
April 10, 2006, 07:56 PM
I should be marching in the protests, but I've a job and a home to support, and so have to get on with business.

I agree that we shouldn't change the law.

We should enforce the one we have, and the how ever many should be sent home, most probably starting with those protesting. After all, if they group themselves together, doesn't hunting in a target rich environment make sense?

My 'critters were informed of the fact that, should they fail to come down on this side of the fight, regardless of spin or anything else, I'd not only vote against them, but would fund their opposition.

I doubt it'll do any good, but I did have to give it a try. Still, there are times I'm very glad to not have children.

Standing Wolf
April 10, 2006, 08:30 PM
!!!IF YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, YOU'RE THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY!!!

I can't tell the Republicrats from the Democans even with a score card.

crazed_ss
April 10, 2006, 08:31 PM
:mad:

I see them wetbacks trying to buy guns from anyone that has a few for sale.

So what.. Mexicans want to buy weapons.. I thought the RKBA was a God-given thing?
I guess it doesnt apply if you're skin isnt the right color though?

R.H. Lee
April 10, 2006, 08:32 PM
Pro-liberalized immigration gets millions of protest participants over a period of weeks.

Anti-immigration forces get some radio show spots and a handful of folks down in the desert.
Heh. That sounds like a challenge. Don't kid yourself, this is far from over; you haven't even begun to see the backlash yet.

lamazza
April 10, 2006, 08:42 PM
So what.. Mexicans want to buy weapons.. I thought the RKBA was a God-given thing?
I guess it doesnt apply if you're skin isnt the right color though?

Wetbacks don't have rights to buy guns here because they are ILLEGAL. Our constitution is the UNITED STATES constitution for US citizens.

Also...
Where was all the bleeding heart compassion for Terry Scheibel?

crazed_ss
April 10, 2006, 08:46 PM
Oh ok... So the gov't is what gives the people the right to defend themselves.
From most of the posts I see on this board, I had gathered the most people were of the opinion that it was a God-given right.. sorry I was mistaken.

And how does this guy know a Mexican who is buying a gun is Illegal. He's just assuming something on the basis of skin color. I'm black.. I wonder if this guy sees me buying a gun from a private party if he's gonna refer to me as some ethnic slur and automatically assume I'm buying a gun go commit crime or give it to my gangbanger homies.

DRZinn
April 10, 2006, 08:46 PM
Wetbacks don't have rights to buy guns here because they are ILLEGAL.Go back to DU. Your pathetic attempt to make us look bad by portraying us as a bunch of redneck idiots won't work.

Oh, you were serious? Look up some things like "natural rights" in some of the documents written by the Founding Fathers, then we'll talk.

shootinstudent
April 10, 2006, 08:54 PM
Heh. That sounds like a challenge. Don't kid yourself, this is far from over; you haven't even begun to see the backlash yet.

Sure I have. There has been anti-immigrant backlash ever since the 1980's. It has never amounted to anything because it's just not that much of an issue for the majority of the population.

Waitone
April 10, 2006, 08:57 PM
Once again we see th gulf between the ruling class and the taxpaying class. Anhuld has thrown his hat in with the ruling class. Now that we know where he stands we can effectively eliminate him for other national office. The absolute beauty of the illegal immigration debate is it is increasingly difficult for politicians of any and all stripes to shuck and jive the voter.

GW
April 10, 2006, 09:13 PM
Anti-immigration forces get some radio show spots and a handful of folks down in the desert.

To be harshly anti-immigrant is to ignore the majority

Anti-immigration folks are generally busy at work earning their way though the day engaging in legal activities, paying their own way and paying taxes.
I don't have the luxury of striking I have to earn my way through the day because I prefer to follow the law
No one is giving me Section 8 housing to live in. I pay my own mortgage
No one is giving me free health care I earn that as part of my wages (and STILL pay deductibles & co-pays)
No one is giving me Cupones de Comidas. I earn my daily bread

I support any person who is willing to LEGALLY come into the USA to work and be free.

But to sneak into my country, steal from me via taking welfare/health/housing benfits paid for by the taxes taken coercively from me and then to have the gall to threaten my country with strikes or violence?
GO TO HELL!

R.H. Lee
April 10, 2006, 09:17 PM
Sure I have. There has been anti-immigrant backlash ever since the 1980's. It has never amounted to anything because it's just not that much of an issue for the majority of the population. Yet. The pro-illegal-immigration forces are not only making it an issue, they're making it a race issue. That's a very dangerous strategy for them IMO. There is a reason white males of northern Europeon extraction founded this country and remain the dominant power structure, you know.

beerslurpy
April 10, 2006, 09:33 PM
Those of you who reject "brick walls and chain fences" are obviously unaware of the stunning advances that we have made in reinforced concrete. The wall would do the work border patrol does now, and border patrol would simply take care of the wall. This is a much more tenable state of affairs than we have now.

If a teeny country like israel can make a wall capable of repelling the most determined and skilled terrorists in the world, surely we can make one that keeps illiterate day-laborers out.

Shweboner
April 10, 2006, 11:34 PM
I may be going off-track here,

But could one of you know-it-all types please post the procedures/costs involved in immigrating here legally & becoming a citizen?

I dont know how it works....

Yeah I know, but thats public schools for ya.


Thanks

gc70
April 10, 2006, 11:35 PM
It has never amounted to anything because it's just not that much of an issue for the majority of the population.This is a good thing. From the polls I have seen, an overwhelming majority of Americans are against illegal immigration. If the anti-illegals masses were even a fraction as passionate about the issue as the pro-illegals groups, there would be blood in the streets.

Art Eatman
April 10, 2006, 11:53 PM
Other than the Arnie missive, we've been over every bit of this several times. About all that's new is the new troll.

Enuf.

Art

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