Good CCW news from Orange County, California: Bill Hunt promises shall-issue


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ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 01:17 AM
Bill Hunt, one of the candidates to replace Sheriff Carona, has made this statement about his CCW policy for Orange County:

I will issue concealed weapons permits (CCW) to any applicant who is a law abiding resident of the county, meets state mandated requirements and is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm. The current Sheriff promised to revamp the CCW process. There have been less than 1200 issued CCW`s in a county of 3 million. The majority have been given to reserve police officers, judges, prosecutors and to reward political supporters. I will depoliticize the process and establish an annual audit to review each application to ensure the process is unbiased, non-political and equitable.

In short: That's an official statement, in writing, that OC will go shall-issue if/when Bill Hunt is elected.

This is huge. We talk about CCW battles in Delaware and Maryland and a lot of places. Let me point out that if Orange County were a state, it would be the 31st largest state (in terms of population) in the US. Bill Hunt winning is as big of news as getting shall-issue in 20 other, smaller states, including Delaware, Hawaii, and Rhode Island (currently may-issue states).

To put it another way: If Bill Hunt wins and Orange County goes shall-issue, it will probably double the number of permits in California. Logic: OC has about 3mil people. In states that are shall-issue, typically between 1% and 2% of the population gets issued. CA currently has 40k CCWs. That would probably double of OC were truly shall-issue.

If you are lucky enough to be from a shall-issue state, please send your support (contributions, posting in other forums, or just emails of encouragement) to Bill Hunt.

His campaign website: http://www.billhuntforsheriff.com/

To give more background to non-Californians: California is may-issue, with policies set by sheriffs. The current OC sheriff, Sheriff Carona, is friendly but not really shall-issue. To win the battle in California, we need to win sheriffs' races, one county at a time. If the major counties of Los Angeles, Orange County and Sacramento go shall-issue (which they could, perhaps in this election cycle) it will set the momentum for all the other smaller counties. Our county battles are as important as your state battles, and some of our counties are as big as almost any other state. Los Angeles is about 10mil people, and it would be the 9th largest state if it were a state. So if you care about CCW in other jurisdictions, please give some thought to what's going on in California sheriffs' races.

Mods: could you make this sticky? This is every bit as big a fight as shall-issue in Kansas, Nebraska, Delaware, etc, which are all smaller places than OC in terms of population.

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Black Majik
April 11, 2006, 01:34 AM
I'm going to do a little more research on him, but I'm hoping he's not just campaigning what we want to hear. Corona is pretty good at issuing CCW permits, but if Hunt will make OC shall issue, thats a much bigger plus than may issue.

Read more here:
http://www.billhuntforsheriff.com/pdf/billsblueprint.pdf

Sounds pretty promising, hope we can get a Sheriff on our side! :)

Black Majik
April 11, 2006, 01:43 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=267701#post267701


He's looking like a better candidate every minute :D

crazed_ss
April 11, 2006, 01:53 AM
Wow that's awesome.
I'd consider moving to Orange County if this guy gets elected and is telling the truth.
Unfortunately that would mean an extra 50 miles tacked on to my daily commute :(

ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 01:55 AM
I'd consider moving to Orange County if this guy gets elected and is telling the truth

I'll probalby move if/when he wins.

bratch
April 11, 2006, 02:02 AM
What kind of support does it look like he is receiving? Any early poll numbers?

yy
April 11, 2006, 02:14 AM
well now...

I've been planning a move from OC to LA county. If OC goes shall issue, boy oh boy, I'd have to declare dual residency. I'll spend half my time in OC to make sure I qualify.


Of course, I hope Sheriff Carona responds by taking OC to shall issue himself. I'd want to reward his past work in making more CCWs available in OC. He can cinch my support if he promises to go shall issue. And I'd pledge my resource to his re-election if he goes to shall issue right now.


ya hooooo:cool:

ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 02:20 AM
This is a very big deal for California and the whole US. A lot of people have a choice of declaring LA or OC residence, and shall-issue OC will make the decision for a lot of people. And if a lot of OC residents start getting issued that does put pressure on LA to start issuing. People in LA will start saying, "Well, my friends from OC can pack when they visit me in LA but I'm not allowed to in my own city. What up with that?"

Black Majik
April 11, 2006, 02:23 AM
Hmm... should I apply for a OC CCW now with Carona in office now before the elections or should I wait out the elections and risk getting a anti-CCW CLEO in office? Carona has been pretty good about issuing CCWs, I might lose my chance if I wait after the elections...

What would you guys do? I hope Hunt wins. :D

yy
April 11, 2006, 02:31 AM
The CCW application fee and class tuition are outside of my budget for now.


but if I had the funds...

I'd apply quickly to try to get a decision before the election result comes out. I just worry that the election and campaign might slow down permit review. What did packing.org say about the expected wait time for an OC permit?

The good thing is that we only need to pass the CCW class once. I haven't heard of a requirement to retake the class for each new application after the previous one failed. but wait, is there a wait time between applications if I failed the last one? hmmm


I've been putting off my CCW for budget reasons. I wanna SA 1911 so I can put down more than one pistol on my application form. This adds more cost to the tuition and fees. sigh.

ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 03:57 AM
Hmm... should I apply for a OC CCW now with Carona in office now before the elections or should I wait out the elections and risk getting a anti-CCW CLEO in office?

Apply now. The worst thing that can happen is they can deny you and then you can apply later. If something horrible happens in the election and Carona is replaced by someone who is no-issue, then you will have lost your chance.

They will tell you whether you qualify BEFORE you pay all the money involved. If you can get it, get it.

Rumpled
April 11, 2006, 03:58 AM
Bill Hunt won the endorsement vote of the Sheriff's Deputies association (whatever it's called).
It was close, something like 35% to 32% or 28% for Carona.
I believe it was last week, searching LA Times or OC Register will probalby find it.

Autolycus
April 11, 2006, 04:11 AM
Well I hope it goes well? Is OC near Las Angeles? I am thinking of applying to schools out there and would definately want a CCW if I am going out that way. Anyways congratulations will be in order I hope. Is OC home to any good colleges?

ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 04:39 AM
Well I hope it goes well? Is OC near Las Angeles? I am thinking of applying to schools out there and would definately want a CCW if I am going out that way. Anyways congratulations will be in order I hope. Is OC home to any good colleges?

Orange County borders with Los Angeles County. OC is to the south, LA to the north. OC is home to quite a few colleges, some are excellent, and some are stepping-stones to other places.

The best in OC is UC-Irvine. Some of its departments (Computer Science, Biology) are nationally-recognized as being excellent. Admission is strongly competitive. There's also Cal State Fullerton, which is good, but not as competitive as UCI. There are also some community colleges, including Orange Coast College. OCC is as good as you want it to be; if you push yourself there you can learn a lot and use it as a stepping-stone to other institutions.

My list there is by no means exhaustive. There are quite a few which might be ideal for you, depending on your goals.

So yes there are some great schools in OC, and it looks like you'll be able to get a permit there. As a lowly college student I promise you will NOT get a permit from Sheriff Baca in Los Angeles County.

yy
April 11, 2006, 04:40 AM
Yeah, Like the big taco says, apply now.

wonder who I can get for my three references...



Tecumseh - How good do you want the colleges? Orange County is to the east and the south of Los Angeles county. Famous colleges include UC Irvine, Chapman University. Good colleges (better than community colleges) include Cal State Fullerton.

This is getting a little off topic now. So to bring it back on topic: check this link for OC ccw process/course.
http://www.ftatv.com/fta__classes_ccw.html

liberty911
April 11, 2006, 03:46 PM
I live in OC and have to disagree the county is "Shall Issue" by the literary meaning of the words.

"Shall issue" should mean a CCW must be issued to the applicant upon a showing of no felony record, mental disorder,proof of basic safety and ability, and a small fee to cover the administrative costs.

"Shall issue" in OC means references, a good-cause statement, psycological evaluation paid for by the applicant, a mandatory special class paid for by the applicant, limitations on the firearms carried, and an elevated application cost not reasoanbly associated with the processing fee. Each of these are discretionary and any one may be used to deny the CCW. Hardly a "shall issue" county. Better than "no issue" but not what Sherriff Corona promised or boasts about.

HighVelocity
April 11, 2006, 03:55 PM
Only one way to find out if this will work and that's to put him in office. Good Luck CA. You need it.

Standing Wolf
April 11, 2006, 04:27 PM
It may be a small step, but it's a step.

Gordon Fink
April 11, 2006, 06:48 PM
Bill Hunt promises shall-issue …

Well, that’s not what he said at all, but he does imply that he would issue more permits than Sheriff Carona has.

~G. Fink

dav
April 11, 2006, 10:38 PM
Have any of you ever been to the annual California Rifle and Pistol Association (CRPA) banquet in Irvine?

Sheriff Carona attends (I've only been twice, and he's been there both times). He says he issues permits. Everyone I know who has applied in Orange County under Carona has received their permit.

Are you sure this is actually an issue that will be improved with a different sheriff?

TexasRifleman
April 11, 2006, 10:51 PM
He says he issues permits. Everyone I know who has applied in Orange County under Carona has received their permit.


Well there seems to be a pretty big gap between the 2 sides stories here.

We have people saying Carona gives them to anyone that asks, and the other side saying only 1200 have been issued under Carona.

Which is correct? What are the record keeping requirements there? Any way to verify?

ElTacoGrande
April 11, 2006, 11:20 PM
Well there seems to be a pretty big gap between the 2 sides stories here.

I'm not from OC, but here's what I gather:


"For personal protection" is not a good enough cause statement. It needs to be a little bit more: "I'm an avid shooter", "I'm a doctor", whatever. Probably anyone with a bit of creativity and effort could qualify themselves for this, but still, it is a restriction.
Fees are high. They require certain approved training courses, psych exam, etc, all of which cost money.
The fact that the process is somewhat complicated and lengthy and not shall-issue discourages a lot of people from applying, even people who could probably get it if they really wanted to.
Obviously, the program is not being promoted, and if you call up and ask they probably tell people "you need a good cause" which turns people away from even learning more about it.


I think one thing we're seeing here is that shall-issue has swept the nation so it's becoming an issue that people in CA are aware of now. This is the first time I have ever heard of CCW being an issue at all in sheriffs' races in CA. This time it's a prominent issue. That means we're winning.

It only takes two major-county sheriffs (OC, LA) to turn and CA will be almost all the way on the winning side of this issue. Pretty much all of rural California has gone shall-issue.

SF will never go shall-issue until forced to do so by some external pressure.

Gordon Fink
April 12, 2006, 01:52 PM
The real question is how many people have applied in Orange County (under Carona) and been denied? I strongly suspect that those who expect to be denied simply don’t apply. I had planned to use the frequent-shooter reason for my application, but I haven’t been to the range even a dozen times since my daughter was born last year, so I’ve been holding off.

Perhaps I can go with the strangers-want-to-steal-my-baby approach …

~G. Fink

Kevlarman
April 12, 2006, 03:20 PM
If you're lucky to own a registered assault weapon in CA, just put down "I'm an avid shooter and am afraid that someone may rob me and steal my AR-15, putting another cop-killing assault weapon on the streets." :p

Hopefully all of us who own offlist lowers will have them become AWs soon! :D

Autolycus
April 12, 2006, 03:28 PM
I am not to interested in the colleges. But I thank all of you for trying to help me. I may become interested if I do not get into the University of Washington. I am in IL and I see crap happen at a college campus all the time. At my college last week we had a shooting. The student was not seriously hurt and was shot below the kidneys and the bullet exited out of his thigh area. He was mugged and they took his wallet after shooting him. Thats the rumor as to where he got shot but the facts are this place is dangerous.

Desertdog
April 12, 2006, 05:09 PM
From Hunt's reform plan;
http://www.billhuntforsheriff.com/showArticle2.asp?title=905
I will issue concealed weapons permits (CCW) to any applicant who is a law abiding resident of the county, meets state mandated requirements and is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm.
We can hope that if he gets elected, and does go "shall issue", the O.C. crime rate will drop, and LA's crime rate should rise. After all why be a crook in an area you can get shot when a few miles down the road you are not likely to.

Sgt Stevo
April 13, 2006, 02:58 AM
I co-own a second home in san Clemente. Might have to make it my permenant address.

rayra
April 13, 2006, 05:18 AM
So what's going on down there - I just looked online, and I can't even find any news about who won - it's been 30hrs since the polls closed, and there isn't even anything in teh OC Register's website.

What's the poop?

rayra
April 13, 2006, 05:24 AM
and the only fresh story on teh election down there closes with this:

"Despite all the effort to inspire voters, turnout was 19 percent. Absentee ballots accounted for 74 percent of all votes. "

Dang that's pathetic.

My own area, Santa Clarita Valley only has a turnout of 13%. onyl 10,000 cits out of 80k registered, out of some 275k residents of all ages. And the 3 winners out of 11 candidates for the council garnered around ~5k votes each (you vote for your favorite three). So only 7% of the 60% who bothered to even register - roughly 4% of the adults - picked who runs my region. :banghead:

Gordon Fink
April 13, 2006, 11:54 AM
Uh … the sheriff elections are in June. :scrutiny:

~G. Fink

ElTacoGrande
April 13, 2006, 12:01 PM
Yeah the sheriffs' election is June 6.

And the lower the turnout, the more powerful / important each voter (that means you) is.

A recent article about the LA Sheriff's election:

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3429&IssueNum=145

another problem is Baca’s “early-release” (sometimes derisively known as “catch-and-release”) program whereby some prisoners serve as little as three days on a 90-day sentence, supposedly due to a lack of money or staffing for proper incarceration. Beyond undermining the deterrence attributed to prison by lessening punishments, the early-release program also culls the prison population to its most violent, sending lesser criminals out to make room for more dangerous convictions, leaving the county’s prison population comprised of approximately 91 percent felons.

Gordon Fink
April 13, 2006, 01:22 PM
“Catch-and-release”! That’s classic! :D

Now, I see that Mayor Villaraigosa wants to charge Angelinos more for trash pickup in order to “put more cops on the street,” and L.A. wants to float more bonds to fill in potholes. Idiots!

~G. Fink

rayra
April 13, 2006, 04:01 PM
Uh … the sheriff elections are in June. :scrutiny:



No squint-eye BS is required. It was a simple mistake. My portion of L.A. had their municipal elections two days ago. I mistakenly thought OC's would be on the same cycle. No dramatic :scrutiny: required.

Gordon Fink
April 13, 2006, 07:14 PM
No offense intended, my fellow Californian. The scrutiny was for my own benefit, as I was afraid I might have misunderstood your question. However, Sheriff Baca in L.A. still doesn’t face re-election until June, if I’m not mistaken. Am I?

~G. Fink

choochboost
April 13, 2006, 09:16 PM
nope

Truth Seeker
April 14, 2006, 12:57 AM
Glad to see Lieutenant Bill Hunt, candidate for Sheriff, made it to this web site. His views and intentions regarding CCWs is indicative of how this man thinks and operates.

Guns, other rights, freedom and quality service from public servants is something we all should expect, not just Carona's elite few. Bill is a proven leader who understands why Law Enforcement cannot themselves be above the law.

He has gained termendous momentum and appears to be likely to give Carona a run for his money and may just beat him. Good for him and good for us if he pulls it off.

Desertdog
April 14, 2006, 01:19 PM
Sheriff Baca is not under consideration in O.C.
Primary Elections are June 6.
General Election is November 7.

http://www.oc.ca.gov/election/

There is 4 candidates for O.C. sheriff.

ROBERT G. "BOB" ALCARAZ
Candidate Statement

MICHAEL S. CARONA
Candidate Statement

BILL HUNT
Candidate Statement

RALPH W. MARTIN
Candidate Statement

We need to get Bill Hunt to win in the primary elections before we worry about getting him elected. If a candidate gets over 50% of the votes in the primary election they win the election without a runoff.

SKUNK
April 14, 2006, 01:30 PM
I live in OC. I am interested in obtaining a CCW, but I have been discouraged because my only cause statement would be "I'm an avid shooter". Does anyone know anyone who passed with this cause statement in OC?

liberty911
April 14, 2006, 01:52 PM
I live in OC. I am interested in obtaining a CCW, but I have been discouraged because my only cause statement would be "I'm an avid shooter". Does anyone know anyone who passed with this cause statement in OC?

This is an accepted reason, but you have to back it up with documentation. Receipts, club memberships and letters from the range will be requested.

I have even heard of Orange Courty requesting written permission from your employer if you say you intend to CCW during the scope of your employment.

SKUNK
April 14, 2006, 02:03 PM
"have even heard of Orange Courty requesting written permission from your employer if you say you intend to CCW during the scope of your employment"

That is rediculous. Forget that. :cuss:

ElTacoGrande
April 15, 2006, 08:28 PM
BTT! Mods could we have a STICKY thread for the SoCal sheriffs' races? This is just as big a fight as CCW in Wisonsin and any other state really.

Edited: Thank you mods! I'm going to put together a brief SoCal Sheriffs' Election Guide piece, covering all the races here. When I get that we might want to unsticky this thread and replace it with the election guide.

SKUNK
April 18, 2006, 03:26 PM
So is my quest for a CCW in OC far fetched?

1wildbill
April 25, 2006, 11:54 AM
So if you have a county ccw, what are the laws about carrying in another county?

ElTacoGrande
April 25, 2006, 11:57 AM
Skunk: You have a very good chance. Go for it. Ask some people in OC about how to write a cause statement.

Wild Bill: By default, a California permit is valid throughout the state. Sheriffs do have the option of writing restrictions on the permit, but this is not normally done, and I haven't heard of it happening in OC.

Dan M.
April 25, 2006, 06:38 PM
Hey Skunk, there's dude over on packing.org who claims to have a lot of experience crafting cause statements for folks in CA, and he has offered to help any one who sends him a PM. He goes by cluseau, but signs off as Billy Jack. I don;t know how legit he is, but it might be worth looking into. There is a lot of info on the links and forums over there. Some of it needs a little sifting is all. I submitted an OC CCW app on 3/31. I used the "avid shooter" statement, but I have a range membership and a letter from an assistant manager there to back me up. You also need at least two character reference letters, proof of lawful US residency (birth certificate), a utility bill, A CA driver's license. There are some other things if you are retired LE or military. But it's free to apply. Nothing to lose. The fees come later. Anyway, if I don't hear from them by Monday, I'm going to give them a call and ask about the status. Fingers crossed.

ElTacoGrande
April 26, 2006, 05:49 AM
There's a whole new site completely dedicated to county-by-county info in California:

http://CaliforniaCCW.org

It's all about sheriffs, sheriffs' elections, policies, etc. It just launched today so there's not a lot of info yet, so please get on there and post your county-specific information and advocacy.

To put it simply, CaliforniaCCW.org (http://CaliforniaCCW.org) is about achieving CCW in California one county at a time, one sheriff at a time, one police chief at a time. That is how we are going to win.

Kodiaz
April 29, 2006, 10:12 PM
An expansion of 2A rights in California. That would be a dream come true even in one county.


I hope you guys are ready for a fight the socialists will throw everything at this.

Shall Issue in Cali.


It would be like standing in Beijing with a sign saying "Hu's an A-Pipe"

ElTacoGrande
April 30, 2006, 01:13 AM
An expansion of 2A rights in California. That would be a dream come true even in one county.


I hope you guys are ready for a fight the socialists will throw everything at this.

Shall Issue in Cali.


It's not a dream, it's a reality. California already IS shall-issue. We just have to force the issue in courts, and by electing the right sheriffs and getting the right police chiefs.

What do I mean by saying that California is shall-issue? Well, there are a whole bunch of permits that are discretionary. The city can refuse to give you a building permit. The DMV can refuse to give you a drivers license. But if the city just said one day, "sorry, we're not giving out building permits anymore" or "you need to make a huge contribution if you want a building permit", that would not fly. Yes they have discretion but it cannot be used in that way.

We need to put some fear into sheriffs and chiefs. A lot of police chiefs have what is called a "dual policy", where they issue a few permits (to city councilmen, etc) but then they tell everyone else "ask the sheriff". That's illegal. They need to be sued for this kind of thing.

With enough suits, enough information getting out, and voting for sheriffs, CA WILL become shall-issue in practice. This can happen WITHOUT any legislative changes.

So, if you're in CA please click on the link in my sig and join the fight. We're on the winning side.

Kodiaz
April 30, 2006, 07:23 AM
El T G

Cmon man It is still an expansion of 2A rights(I never said you didn't have any). This guy (if he isn't lying) is going to make it easier to get CCW permits.

Mike_in_OC
May 2, 2006, 01:39 AM
will issue concealed weapons permits (CCW) to any applicant who is a law abiding resident of the county, meets state mandated requirements and is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm

Hate to break it to everybody but the statement above from Hunt is the same policy that Mike Carona is using. The key phrase is "meets state mandated requirements" One of the State mandated requirements is to demonstrate Good Cause. I would say we are better off with Carona since we already know he does issue.

Gray Peterson
May 2, 2006, 11:00 AM
Hey Mike,

As I posted in your other thread, Bill Hunt has stated that personal protection and self defense will be considered prima facie good cause. State mandated requirements means training.

Take a search around at CalGuns.net and CaliforniaCCW.org. There should contain emails stating that he would issue for personal protection and self defense.

Sheriff Mike Carona takes the entire application fee up front, rather than only ask for 20 percent of it per AB2022 (1998), good cause is hit and miss, depending on who you get for a reviewing person at the sheriffs office, some pro-gunners, some Brady-ites, which in turn if denied gets you an appeal with Mike Carona or one of his undersheriffs.

He also requires inspection of handguns and shooting at the Orange County range.

Bill Hunt would actually follow the law, not require more than 20% before approval for good cause (though he may just take the fee up front due to approving all applications, which is ok), not require such inane and stupid requirements, and jus t issue for self defense, which eliminates a majority of the bureaucracy in the CCW unit (which basically has a lot of folk interpreting good cause for him whereas if it's just self defense you only need 4, 5 people at the most, rather than, say, 20).

ElTacoGrande
May 2, 2006, 02:13 PM
Yes, please look at this thread:

http://californiaccw.org/posts/list/46.page

I am so tired of gun owners who want to shoot themselves in the foot as it were. Bill Hunt's CCW position is right up there with that of Mendocino County Sheriff Craver's position, which is currently the BEST IN THE STATE and which you can read here:

http://californiaccw.org/posts/list/40.page

Wake up people. I saw people in Wisconsin bashing their Personal Protection Act because it wasn't Vermont carry. I am sick of seeing such things. Let's fight to WIN this one.

choochboost
May 2, 2006, 09:50 PM
CARONA DWARFS OPPONENTS IN CAMPAIGN CASH

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

For more information contact:
Mike Schroeder - (714) 647-6488

March 24, 2006

Orange, CA – Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona has a commanding advantage in campaign funds over his three rivals.

According to financial disclosure reports received by the Registrar of Voters, Carona has 3 ½ times more funds available than his three opponents combined.

Cash on hand is the most important indication of whether or not a candidate will have the ability to communicate his campaign message to voters.

The reports on file showed the Sheriff with $618,000 cash on hand. His closest competitor is Ralph Martin with $80,000. Robert Alcaraz followed with $76,000 and Bill Hunt badly trailed the field with just $6,000.

The $618,000 available campaign cash for Carona is in addition to the $300,000 already spent on his re-election effort.

Go to Hunt's website and contribute. http://www.billhuntforsheriff.com/index.asp

Sir Aardvark
May 2, 2006, 10:40 PM
Sheriff Carona WILL issue you a CCW if you are an "Avid Shooter".

I don't really see how this is going to be any different if Bill Hunt is the new Sheriff in town, because anyone who wants a CCW permit can pretty much get one now if they want to anyways.

I do find it comforting to know that there are still people like Bill Hunt who realize and appreciate the fact that law abiding citizens should be offered the ability to have a CCW permit.

OC CAL
May 15, 2006, 12:10 AM
Sheriff Mike Carona takes the entire application fee up front, rather than only ask for 20 percent of it per AB2022 (1998), good cause is hit and miss, depending on who you get for a reviewing person at the sheriffs office, some pro-gunners, some Brady-ites, which in turn if denied gets you an appeal with Mike Carona or one of his undersheriffs.

He also requires inspection of handguns and shooting at the Orange County range.

Lonnie, don't know who you've been talking to but some of your info is incorrect.
No money changes hands until the good cause statement is accepted. Once accepted the rest is just a formality.
The guns must be inspected at the OCSD armory but you don't shoot at the departments range. You shoot during your CCW class and the instructor certifies you.

Dan M.
May 15, 2006, 10:59 AM
OC CAL,

I'm in process in OC right now. I received initial approval and had my fingerprints "livescanned" just last Tuesday (5/9). Training class is scheduled over Memorial weekend. How long was it after you were printed until the next contact from OCSD? Thanks.

OC CAL
May 15, 2006, 09:45 PM
Did my live scans on 3/13, called a couple of times and they told me it could take 12 weeks. When I lived in Utah I had my permit in a week!
If you've got to the live scan part it's a done deal, just need to be patient.

Mike_in_OC
May 16, 2006, 01:29 AM
OC Cal, Call them everyweek and ask for status. I waited three months before I called. Then they said "oh yeah they were approved about a month ago.... sorry" I started the process early April and had my permit in my hand August 8th.

marklbucla
May 16, 2006, 01:46 AM
I don't really see how this is going to be any different if Bill Hunt is the new Sheriff in town, because anyone who wants a CCW permit can pretty much get one now if they want to anyways.


I totally agree. It wasn't hard for me to get my permit, well, except for the cost of the application and the waiting time. The OC is pretty much shall issue already. It's a total abuse of statistics to say that Carona has been prohibitive in CCW issuances.

There are few people with permits because the general public doesn't know that this is an option. Turner's has a little brochure, but I don't remember anyone telling me about it until I saw the forums.

choochboost
May 16, 2006, 01:55 PM
So have any of you acquired your CCW without fitting the criteria of 1) frequently transporting money, valuables, or pharmaceuticals, 2) real estate agent, 3) recent death threats or victim of violent crime, 4) firearms instructor, etc? How often do I have to shoot to be an avid shooter? I'm trying to build my good cause statement but I don't know how I'm going to make my case yet.

marklbucla
May 16, 2006, 03:53 PM
Just get a letter from your range saying that you go about twice a week, at night, transporting lots of guns, blah blah. I guess as long as they know who you are, you should be fine. Keeping receipts isn't a bad idea either.

I got my letter from Gary at The Firing Line in HB.

Mike_in_OC
May 19, 2006, 02:17 AM
choochboost- Keep in mind you will need to explain your "good cause" while the person conducting the interview will take notes. Once you have your good cause practice explaining it verbally. Have canned resposes to questions they might ask. The process is like a job interview. Show up well dressed, do not use slang, and act very professional. PM if you have any questions or help with your good cause. Mike

choochboost
May 19, 2006, 02:46 AM
Mike_in_OC, thanks for your offer to help. I want to get approved the first time, so its likely I'll take you up on the offer. That's what i appreciate the most about these forums - the members who are here to truly assist other members, whether its general firearms knowledge or successful CCW applications. To you Mike, and everyone else who has this helpful attitude...thanks!

Your advice about the interview is helpful. I've pretty much accepted that my only "good cause", as far as OCSD is concerned, will be "avid shooter". Having settled that, I've begun to ponder how that will affect my interview. I guess the next task is to try to figure out what questions to anticipate. How many different ways can a person say they shoot a lot, transport firearms, and could be potentially targeted by armed criminals, etc?

Dan M.
May 19, 2006, 11:37 AM
choochboost, I'll second what Mike in OC says. Be ready with canned answers (practice-practice). I about brain-farted during my interview. Maybe less is more, ! don't know. :rolleyes: Anyway, the interviewer (BTW, it was a very pleasnt young woman, not a big burly guy in uniform) asked me questions about where I shoot, how often do I shoot, how many weapons do I take when I shoot--pretty straight forward stuff, UNTIL she asked me to state in my own words why I needed a CCW. That's when I brainfarted, I gave the standard reasons that were stated in the letter from the range where I shoot, and she was still waiting for more. :banghead: I stumbled through a scenario in which I was in a traffic accident on the way home from the range at night, which resulted in loose ammo and weapons in my car, and having an arriving officer checking things out and saying, "Hey, wait a MINUTE, you have GUNS!" and arresting me on the spot. It was a pretty lame scenario, and I decided to shut up at that point, and the interview was pretty much over. I figured I blew it, but (34) days later, I received approval to proceed, so...:D

Dan M.
May 19, 2006, 11:52 AM
choochboost, I sent you a PM.

choochboost
May 19, 2006, 01:22 PM
...how many weapons do I take when I shoot
I hope two is enough.:scrutiny:

pretty straight forward stuff, UNTIL she asked me to state in my own words why I needed a CCW.
I'm sure I'll just parrot whatever I wrote in my good cause statement and hopefully that will fly.

Davo
May 20, 2006, 12:34 PM
Perhaps Bob Doyle in Riverside will take note. I lived in OC for years, but its getting too crowded and expensive.

Bluehawk
June 5, 2006, 06:44 AM
From what I understand you don't have to live in that particular county to get a CCW. Speaking with a member from the CA DOJ last year we touched on that subject and he said .."they hand them out up North like they were candy"
You might want to check on that and it seems reasonable that if it's a State permit then you should be allowed to apply anywhere in the state especially if your county is not that CCW friendly.

Davo
June 5, 2006, 12:03 PM
Bluehawk, I dont know if its that easy. It would be nice, though.

mindwip
June 5, 2006, 04:08 PM
Does any one know, if wanting to have your gun at work, and at home is a good reason. Such as, i will have only one pistol, but i want it on me when i am at work, and home so i will have to drive alot with a pistol in and out of the truck, and reloading it, it would just be easyer to get a ccw.


Plus i do transport $60,000 to our bank, about every 2 weeks in cash and checks, but its only a mile away so i dont know if it counts.


Thanks

Gordon Fink
June 5, 2006, 05:19 PM
And so the NRA has endorsed Sheriff Carona …

~G. Fink

joey93turbo
June 6, 2006, 05:14 AM
I'm not suprised Carona won the NRA endorsement, based on what I've read. A superior financial warchest and an incumbency are very difficult things to combat, so it would seem Carona would most likely get elected rather than Hunt. I believe what the NRA is doing is supporting the candidate that best represents their views AND has the best chance of winning.

Black Majik
June 6, 2006, 01:34 PM
Quick question guys...

Where are the voting booths located at for today's elections?

Although Carona went up a few points for approving my CCW (just received my approval letter yesterday), my vote will still go to Bill Hunt. While the process wasn't difficult, it was still too time consuming.

Not bad though, I got my approval the day before elections, and before any chance a anti-ccw Sheriff is elected :evil:

joey93turbo
June 9, 2006, 10:21 PM
So what happened?

Mike_in_OC
June 10, 2006, 02:33 AM
Mike Carona won the election.

choochboost
June 10, 2006, 05:05 AM
He narrowly avoided a runoff with Bill Hunt, who has subsequently been put on administrative leave and is under investigation BTW. Carona needed 50% + 1 vote to avoid the runoff and he got 50.9%. I would have preferred to see Hunt win but I don't want to be a spoiled baby over it since Carona is pretty CCW friendly.

No_Brakes23
June 16, 2006, 02:26 AM
Putting Hunt under investigation sounds like a pretty slimey move to me.

choochboost
June 16, 2006, 03:43 AM
The City of San Clemente has been more than happy with Hunt's performance as that city's chief of police services, and have requested that Carona and the OCSD to speed up the investigation so that they can know the status of their top LEO and everyone can eventually have closure.

jimpeel
July 7, 2006, 12:17 AM
There should be only one "good cause" for CCW issue and that should be "Because I want to live to watch my grandchlidren grow up."

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