[hub]

whats the difference. what im looking for is a 9mm in black. ive been looking at the mill pro's for a while and now i have a chance to get a used millenium 9mm with only about 100 rds though it for 225. does that sound like a good price.

[Rumble]

As I understand it, the Millenniums are the early model, and some of them had issues with the polymer frame cracking. The Millennium Pro is the updated model, and from what I've heard (although no gun run is perfect) they are much better.

I own two Millennium Pros - the 9mm and the .45 - and they have both functioned utterly flawlessly with every type of ammo I've given them (I've seen no frame cracking issues; I have no experience with the first generation guns). They're accurate (not tack drivers, at least not in my hands, but plenty accurate), and easy to conceal and carry. The .45 is a bit heavy, perhaps.

I have one caveat--the model numbers for the Pro and original models are the same (that is, the 9mm is the PT111 for both generations), and I had at least one issue with a holster manufacturer still shaping their holsters for the older model (the two have fairly different shapes, overall).

I would say that $225 seems a little high, maybe, for the original generation, but perhaps not. I recently looked through the Shooter's Bible or whatever the book with all the prices is, and think my 9mm Mil-Pro (with only about 200 rds through it) would go for $225 - 250.

More knowledgeable types please feel free to correct and ridicule as necessary ;)

-Rumble

[ezypikns]

That's the 9mm Millenium. DAO. It wasn't a bad weapon, but it had a long grainy (that's the only word I can use to describe it) trigger pull that I just couldn't hack. I don't know about the Millenium Pro. If you can't afford an H&K, Glock, or Sig, get a Ruger instead. Just my opinion.

[PCRit]

The frame issues on the earlier non-pro Mil was with the .45 version, never heard of that with the 9mm. Anyway, those issues have been corrected in the Mil Pro models. The only difference I've seen is that the trigger action is smoother in the Pro models, vs the older Non-Pro. The triggers on my Mil Pro PT-111 and PT-745 are much smoother than my non-Pro PT-145. $225 for a non-Pro may be a bit high, you can get a new Mil Pro PT-111 model which holds 12rnds for ~$60 more, and you get the advantage of the life-time warranty as a new purchaser.

[hub]

thanks for the replys. i do like the pros better and thought i could get one for 100 more just didnt know if it was worth it. i was looking for a smaller frame 9mm for carry. i liked the way the pro looked but was also considering a kel-tec i just thought the kel-tecs look kinda cheap. is there anything else i'm overlooking. i'm just looking for a cheaper 9mm that has a small frame and shoots well. i want this mainly to carry at work, and in my jeep while i'm camping ect. i work as a conductor for a rail road and have to walk my train in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere all the time by myself and i'm not really supposed to carry but alot of us do. thats why i'm looking small, cheap, and reliable.

[DocHolliday]

We've had our Mill-Pro for a while now and have had zero problems.

You may want to check on your local prices for New Pros. Like PCRit said, you can pick up a brand new one for around $60 more and Taurus may even throw in an extra mag for you.

[neil minor]

I have a Mill Pro, 9mm. Holds 12 +1. Fits my hand well and carries concealed well. No, it's not an HK, but for the price, it's been good. It has given me no problems. I regularly carry it as my CCW. I would recommend it.

[neil minor]

One more thing: I picked up a Galco leather holster for in the belt carry (about $50). The holster is designed for this pistol. The number on the holster is D519WS (but it's for a left handed carry).

The Taurus comes brand new with two mags.

[jetdriver]

+1

My Taurus Mill Pro has been awesome. It's a solid performer. Yes, its a long DAO pull, but mine is smooth. I don't mind that on a CCW pistol. Second strike capability is nice too.

Mine is the newer one with the rail.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/jetdriver/Shooting%20Stuff/taurus-pt145mp-left-full.jpg

[JAB]

I have a mil pro pt111, and its been great. I got it new with 2 mags for about 280.00. mine does not have the rail, I like the rail look better, but i use this as a carry piece and dont see myself attaching anything even if it did have a rail. I would recomend this gun to anyone looking for a small, reliable weapon used for its intended purpose, defense. Its not my favorite plinker, but it serves its purpose well.

[hub]

thanks everybody is there any durability benifits to the stainless or titanium models, or is it just cosmetic.

[AirPower]

Mostly cosmetic difference, but corrosion resistence should be better on SS models. YOu wont' have to worry about wiping off fingerprints and oiling the blued slide with SS model. Definitely get the Pro model, it is better in terms of trigger and also frame redesign.

[Hawken50]

i've had a pt111 (non pro) for about a year now. it's my daily carry piece. never had a problem with it. i paid 250 for mine nib. so 225 seems reasonable for a used one if you are on a budget. personally, my guns are gonna get used so no sense in paying more for a new one if the used one is like new. can't comment on the pro model, never touched one. one thing to remember is taurus has a lifetime warrenty, so if you get the non pro and have problems, taurus will fix it.