Deadly force bill gains final passage (KY)


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April 11, 2006, 06:30 PM
Deadly force bill gains final passage

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060411/NEWS0101/604110366

FRANKFORT, Ky. Kentucky law would explicitly allow people to use deadly force against an attacker in their homes or cars under a bill given final legislative passage yesterday.

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bakert
April 11, 2006, 10:59 PM
Just finished reading about it. Them old boys up there in Frankfort got something right for once. Of course Gerald Neil(D) of Louisville was against it. He thinks people should think things through or work things through or use discretion(whatever in hell that means) before responding to an attack. That's the same attitude of most of our city fathers in Louisville and also those in Lexington!!

Erebus
April 12, 2006, 01:05 PM
It means ask them to stop striking/stabbing/shooting/raping/robbing you. Some people believe that it is better to beg and plead for your life and well being and leave it in the hands of the criminal then to defend yourself. Some people are crazy.

I actually had a co-worker say to me once and I quote "I would rather die with the satisfaction that the justice system will make him suffer than fight back and be guilty of violent behavior myself."

I was floored, I had no idea how to respond to that. My mind was a blur at the level of kool-aid drinking pasifism required to actually hold that position.

I hope to never find out, but I would be interested to know if he could actually let someone kill him with no resistance as he claims he would. I really doubt it.

svtruth
April 12, 2006, 02:34 PM
the term "Louisville Slugger"

AndyC
April 12, 2006, 02:50 PM
I actually had a co-worker say to me once and I quote "I would rather die with the satisfaction that the justice system will make him suffer than fight back and be guilty of violent behavior myself."
I can't understand that mindset either, but of course it's his life and he's perfectly entitled to make that choice - although, if he's forcing his family to go along with that, that's another story.

Preaching to the choir here, of course, but where I draw the line is if he were to agitate politically in order to remove our right to make our own decision on that issue.

rdbrowning
April 12, 2006, 03:07 PM
"I actually had a co-worker say to me once and I quote "I would rather die with the satisfaction that the justice system will make him suffer than fight back and be guilty of violent behavior myself."

I used to attend a church whose pastor preached this too. Then I found a church where the pastor had actually read the Bible.

MechAg94
April 12, 2006, 04:55 PM
The pastor I grew up with wrote a pamplet called "freedom through military victory". I never had to deal with the pacifist stuff too much. :)

Congrats to Kentucky!

Erebus
April 12, 2006, 05:09 PM
can't understand that mindset either, but of course it's his life and he's perfectly entitled to make that choice - although, if he's forcing his family to go along with that, that's another story.

Not just his family, he though that should be the law. He though that no form of violence should be legal ever or at all, defensive or otherwise. That was where I took issue with his opinion. He was very vocal about his opinion that self defense was assault and wrong and should be illegal. And if you engaged in any act of violence even in defense you are just as bad as the attacker and should be punished as if you were the original attacker. He saw no difference in offensive and defensive violence. Both were equally evil to him.

That was disturbing to me. Cause if one thinks that way more than one does and could someday try and push it on the rest of us.

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