FBI Issue Weapon to New Agents?


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Guns_and_Labs
April 11, 2006, 05:53 PM
Does anyone know what the current issue weapon is for new FBI agents? I had heard it was a Glock in .40, but that was a while ago.

I tried to find it on the FBI FAQ, but I guess it's not asked frequently enough.

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Ala Dan
April 11, 2006, 06:30 PM
I think that is correct, except for HRT members who are issued the
Springfield Professional TRP~!:D

Ridgeway
April 11, 2006, 07:22 PM
choice of G22 or G23

FlaChef
April 11, 2006, 08:48 PM
I know Treasury Dept issue is sig 229.
I thought most federal LE went sig, could be Glock for FBI though

Ala Dan
April 11, 2006, 09:33 PM
Don't the Secret Service Presidential "Protective Services" detail now
carry the FN 5.7 x 28~?:uhoh:

Ridgeway
April 11, 2006, 09:41 PM
thought most federal LE went sig, could be Glock for FBI though
not could be, it is

sig's havn't been in use for quite awhile...before the 1076

kmrcstintn
April 11, 2006, 09:58 PM
This is a severely biased opinion; please ignore if you will be offended...haha

First the Secret Service gets the .357 Sig which was a solution looking for a problem; now they have the 5.7x28...what an absolute waste! :barf:

First the hype to get everyone (non-LEO) drooling over the round...and then the plastic gun that looks and feels like a toy...WOW! :mad:

Then the only round with any potential (the trimetal armor piercer) can't be had by civilians; we got a cute hollowpoint and an even cuter ballistic tip...:confused:

Now we're stuck with just a ballistic tip that can't do anything worth a hoot...just another varmint round! :banghead:

LIKE I SAID...5.7 x 28 for the civilian market is an absolute joke and a big waste of time and money! I am glad I didn't jump at this fad...the Secret Service doesn't need it either...the .357 Sig does a great job solving a problem that didn't exist!

isp2605
April 11, 2006, 10:05 PM
"sig's havn't been in use for quite awhile...before the 1076"

They were with SIG 9mm, went to the 1076, then back to SIG 9mm for a time and then Glock.

Ridgeway
April 11, 2006, 10:08 PM
went to the 1076, then back to SIG 9mm for a time and then Glock.
well @ least the 1076's in service we replaced by glocks not sigs, must just have been newly issued weapons...wasn't aware that they were issued again between the 2 though, interesting...

Ala Dan
April 11, 2006, 10:18 PM
I totally agree, that the 5.7 x 28 round is a joke for civilians~!:D When
you speak of Mattel toys, if the dictionary listed Mattel; the 5.7 x 28's
picture would be beside it~!:D If I were a Secret Service Agent and
had a choice, it would be the 9m/m SIG P228.:D

beltfed74
April 12, 2006, 12:30 AM
I think my brother-in-law has a Sig. Pretty sure of it.

carnaby
April 12, 2006, 02:01 AM
I hear Ronald McDonald carries a Glock. What a dork. Jack carries a Springfield TRP, that's cool. And a sourdough Jack too. :p

USMC Tanker
April 12, 2006, 12:38 PM
Are you authorized to carry personally owned firearms on duty with the FBI? I'm thinking about going into the FBI after my stint in the Corps.

Rob1035
April 12, 2006, 12:49 PM
FWIW re: SS & 5.7:
-I was in DC 2 weeks ago, went on the White House "Garden and Grounds" Tour. A pair of ERT cops inside the grounds both had FN P90s with Reflex sights. I was pretty suprised myself. I couldn't see their sidearms, nor did I want to stare much. Also, the rest of the armed personel had Sigs.

Captain38
April 12, 2006, 01:11 PM
Ridgeway is correct. New FBI agents are given their choice of either a Glock G22 or Glock G23, both of which are, of course, chambered in .40 S&W. All I've seen were Generation 2 frames (no light-rail and no grip fingergrooves), had night sights, the standard 5 pound connectors and the extended slide stops. HRT members get one of the single-action .45 ACPs as well.

Logan5
April 12, 2006, 01:30 PM
Pretty sure the FBI frowns on personally owned weapons, see:

https://www.fbijobs.com/PreQuanticoKit/chapter04.htm

PERSONALLY OWNED WEAPONS: No personally owned weapons (POW) are permitted. If you report with a POW, it must be surrendered immediately upon arrival at the FBI Academy and will be returned to the studentís home-of-record or designated location.

Now, that dosen't speak to what happens once you graduate, but it seems like a pretty good indication of the overall attitude.

What I found really interesting was this:

Each student will fire over 3,000 rounds of .40 S&W ammunition through their handgun, approximately 200 rounds of 12 gauge ammunition through the Remington Model 870 shotgun (both 00 buckshot and rifled slug), and approximately 200 rounds of 10 mm ammunition through the Heckler & Koch MP5/10A2 submachine gun.

I also noticed that at the FBI academy, one does not shoot for score with the MP5/10A2, as one does with the pistol and shotgun, the requirement is instead to "demonstrate proficiency." I'm guessing from that that the average Special Agent won't get their hands on the H&K again much over the course of their career? 200 rounds seems so... stingy.

Captain38
April 12, 2006, 02:39 PM
cookedjr in another thread correctly lists the FBI issue pieces but, as far as I know (wink, wink), NO law enforcement officers EVER carry backup guns.

My meaning is that maybe we shouldn't be discussing this kind of specifics because if that sort of thing becomes common knowledge, it could reduce some of the advantages LEOs have in even carrying a BUG in the first place. As they used to say, "You might be able to keep a secret but the people you tell them to probably can't"!

isp2605
April 12, 2006, 03:22 PM
Logan5,
What you are quoting is reporting for initial training at Quantico. They don't want weapons in the dorm rooms. Even NA attendees were suppose to surrender all weapons when reporting. If you left for an evening or weekend you could retrieve your weapon from the armory but it was a hassle. When baby agents report they won't be working with POW but concentrating on studies and the FBI weapons.
I haven't seen their policy in a couple of years but certain POW were authorized as replacement to issued. That was only upon graduation from the academy and reporting to their first office.

Captain38
April 12, 2006, 05:33 PM
The FBI allowed Special Agents to purchase and carry off-duty S&W Model 60 revolvers for a long time. These could only be the 60s that were 38 Specials ( not like today's Model 60s with the slightly longer barrel that are capable of chambering and firing the .357 Magnum rounds) and had to be first inspected by the armorer at the FBI Academy before they could be carried. About two years ago, they were told they could no longer carry them at all and must rely on the issued handguns for off-duty.

Also, I understand that SAs in the field train on a regular basis with the MP5 in 10mm and most have a choice for their long gun of either a shorter barrelled Remington 870 12 gauge pump shotgun or one of the HKs.

isp2605
April 12, 2006, 05:42 PM
I've worked with some who were carrying either Glock 26 or 27, didn't ask which but they were the small ones. They weren't issued.
In the 70s saw various wheelies being carried. The issued back then was the pencil barrel 4" S&W Model 10. The 2.5" Model 19 was very popular, along with 4" Model 19, 36, 49, 60, and 66 both in 2.5" and 4". For the Colts guys would buy Dick Specials. 1 guy carried a Diamondback. Don't recall ever seeing any other POW Colt altho 1 agent kept telling me he was going to buy a Python. Some of the old timers still carried their issued Colt 4". Knew one who carried a 3.5" Model 27. Autos weren't authorized back then, however, knew 1 who carried a S&W 59 and another who carried a pair of BHP in shoulder holster with one under each arm. Neither were authorized weapons. Hoover was of the opinion that only criminals carried autos.

mp510
April 13, 2006, 05:39 PM
I thought the FBI allowed agents to carry personnally supplied handguns after a certain amunt of time on the job, or am I mistaken?

Cocked & Locked
April 13, 2006, 05:54 PM
Knew one who carried a 3.5" Model 27.



...ahh, back to the "good old days" :cool:

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6259637/93976734.jpg

isp2605
April 13, 2006, 10:05 PM
"...ahh, back to the "good old days" "

Yup, The agent that carried the 3.5" 27 just barely made it over the height requirement. He was always fighting to keep his pants pulled up and it looked like he had a growth on his side under his suit coat. Not real sure why he thought he had to pack around so much iron, even tho the 27 is a great gun. The only load that could be carried loaded in the weapon was the .38 Spl W-W or Federal 158 gr LSWCHP+P. Agents could only carry the .357 loading as a reload and not everyday carry in the weapon. But that was sure a sweet Mod 27.

ace
April 14, 2006, 07:48 PM
the fbi from what i hears is carrying the hk compact .40

isp2605
April 14, 2006, 08:56 PM
One of the hazards of asking "What do (agency) carry?" is you get responses from people who haven't a clue, have never met anyone who works for or ever worked for that agency, yet they pipe up with an answer that has no basis, no knowledge, and is completely wrong. But they'll offer an opinion because they saw it on some TV show, a drinking buddy who knows less than the poster told them, or they heard something about another agency and they don't know the difference between the agencies.
You've gotten answers like that already in this thread.

SAG0282
April 16, 2006, 12:36 AM
The FBI, as others have mentioned, issues either the G22 or G23. There is a small list of personally owned weapons allowed, including the SIG P229, P228, and P226. I've heard from agents this list has 6 other weapons for a total of 9 but I do not know what the others are.

Ala Dan
April 16, 2006, 10:44 AM
I would be willing too bet that the .45 ACP SIG P220A is on that list~!:D

Edmond
April 16, 2006, 01:44 PM
FBI agent told me herself that it was a Glock .40.

You guys know if those Sigs are the DAO's?

Captain38
April 16, 2006, 05:40 PM
isp2605 put it in a nutshell in his last post in this thread. Countering fiction with fact, the following is based on a specific answer to a specific question I asked someone at noon-time today who REALLY knows!

According to my Bureau contact, the Glock G22 and G23 models are still the FBI issue primary handguns and it looks like it's going to be that way for the foreseeable future. The word has just gone out to those agents with Generation 1 or 2 framed Glocks that they're being replaced right away with new Generation 3 models. It appears that .40 caliber Glocks with light rails will soon be on duty with the EYE.

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