Petty bureaucratic fiefdoms


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Monkeyleg
April 11, 2006, 06:56 PM
Anyone who's read my posts lately knows I'm trying to organize a fund-raising banquet with Massad Ayoob as guest speaker in July.

I'd really wanted to have a raffle of guns, since I've been advised on THR and elsewhere that raffles bring in more money. The state gaming board, though, had told me four years ago that raffles were not allowed for political action committees.

Someone else recently told me otherwise.

So, I contacted the auditor I usually deal with at the state elections board, the agency that deals with politcal action committees, candidate committees, etc. He's very knowledgeable about the law. He also told me that political action committees have raffles all the time.

I then contacted the supervisor at the state gaming board. He told me that raffles for PAC's were not legal.

I cited the following from the gaming board's site that explains which groups can apply for a raffle license:

"Service: An organization which has, as a minimum, the benefit, the growth and the general welfare of the community as one of its principle purposes. This category includes a labor organization or political party, but excludes a trade association, a social club or a political group created exclusively for political purposes under whose name candidates appear on a ballot at any election."

The latter is a candidate committee, not a PAC.

He invited me to submit an application for review, but suggested that it would be denied. Given the four to six week wait for approval, that's not an option.

Do you ever get the feeling that government bureaucrats jerk folks around just for the fun of it? :banghead:

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mountainclmbr
April 11, 2006, 08:44 PM
Why can't you sue government employees "personally" for damages? Too bad enough people don't get fed up enough that these control freaks get held accountable like the rest of us!

Barbara
April 11, 2006, 11:13 PM
Dick, keep poking and you might find a loophole. The laws here are very similar, but you can actually have a raffle under certain circumstances: The value must be under, I think, $100.00, and tickets cannot be sold anywere but the event, during the event, only to people attending the event. You also cannot charge admission to the event, or have to allow people in to enter your raffle, etc. Some of these I might be off on a bit, since its been a while.

I'd give some serious thought to the games of skill thing..talk to your attorney or state gaming guy or whatever, and see what your opitions are. A game of skill doesn't have to be anything difficult and you should be able to charge an entry fee to it.

Standing Wolf
April 11, 2006, 11:15 PM
Do you ever get the feeling that government bureaucrats jerk folks around just for the fun of it?

It's one of the ways very small people puff up their own self-importance.

Monkeyleg
April 11, 2006, 11:29 PM
Barbara, thanks for your comments.

I'm 99% certain that this guy at the Gaming Board is a flak for Governor Doyle.

Problem is, the banquet is three months away. Not a lot of time to mount a court challenge, even if we could afford it.

You've mentioned games of skill before, and I'm still noodling on those.

What constitutes skill? Maybe it's just a "redneck" game of who can hit the spittoon from the furthest distance. ;)

I don't care. I just want to raise enough contributions to scare Democrats into realizing that their fortunes do not lie with Governor Doyle. $43,128 to Doyle's opponent should make that abundantly clear.

And, then, if we give to those Democrats who helped us in the veto override, I think we may find some Dem's who'll buck their leadership, no matter which party the governor belongs to.

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