What is rapid fire


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Kodiaz
April 11, 2006, 10:22 PM
What the heck is rapid fire supposed to mean?? (Thanks Real Name)

I went to a range the other day shot the mag in my Kimber had 1 hole in the x ring and the range boy starts telling me I'm shooting too fast.

If your hitting your target and making a nice group why is it a problem to shoot fast?


I know at the range near home rapid fire is not hitting the target. I had the owner run in one time after I shot my Kimber and after he saw the target and was handed my empty weapon and a full mag he left happy.

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real_name
April 11, 2006, 10:23 PM
You have a spelling mistake, first line.

Just a friendly heads up, right now it looks bad.

Fire4Effect
April 11, 2006, 10:32 PM
There is no clear definition of rapid fire.I suppose it is basically what the RO percieves as rapid. As far as "raped" fire, that is even more vague...

Kevlarman
April 11, 2006, 10:34 PM
Lol! :D
Most of the ranges I go to define rapid fire as more than one round per second.

Fire4Effect
April 11, 2006, 10:37 PM
That is about what I would estimate...

apowell
April 11, 2006, 10:48 PM
At the local outdoor range here anything faster than 1 shot every 2 seconds is prohibited as "rapid fire". I guess they are afraid people will go all "commando" or something, but it is a stupid rule in my opinion.

Standing Wolf
April 11, 2006, 10:54 PM
In NRA bullseye shooting, rapid fire consists of five shots in ten seconds.

mustanger98
April 11, 2006, 11:18 PM
My understanding is in NRA highpower rifle, it's 10rds in 60seconds.

I don't shoot anywhere the RO's are so uptight. In fact, most of the time, the range I use has no RO unless one, who happens most times to be a club officer, just happens to be there. But mostly we all police ourselves and good communication is the key. I've done some fast shootin'- rifle and sidearm- and nobody complained.

Lupinus
April 11, 2006, 11:26 PM
well duh its firing rapidly :neener:

But seriously most ranges that have that rule define it as mroe then one shot per second and/or firing so rapidly that you loose control of your shot placement and are firing into the ceiling or something. The range I go to has no such rule considering the fact they are very full auto friendly lol....even if the 2x4 target holders they have for the pistol get shot to hell by morons and people that aim for them, seriously. Three shots in a group isn't a whoopsy.

LHB1
April 11, 2006, 11:40 PM
The local outdoor range where I shoot defines rapid fire as anything faster than 1 round per sec and it is strictly enforced. You may be able to control your shots in rapid fire but the next shooter probably can't. This way every one is treated the same. More important is the reason for rule/enforcement. Local subdivision behind the gunstore/range is trying to shut them down. Any wild shots fired over the berms would be excellent propaganda/proof. Local range has recently spent MUCHO DINERO rebuilding all outdoor berms and range sheds including extra modifications and boards to minimize chances of stray bullets getting by/over berms. Just ONE proven occurrence could be problem so they watch diligently to prevent harm to neighbors and to stay in business.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

rayra
April 12, 2006, 12:17 AM
one round per second is what is commonly cited at indoor ranges around here.
Depends on the fear factor or bossiness of the staff, though.

WeedWhacker
April 12, 2006, 05:56 AM
Rapid fire is when you take your new semi-auto .308, go out into BLM land with no one around, find a nice big hill with no one behind it, slap in a 25-rounder, and pull that trigger as fast as you can. Hee hee hee.

I learned something, too. You won't hit crap with a .308 shot from the hip in that manner, folding stock or no!

Geno
April 12, 2006, 06:41 AM
That's not a good way to practice for CCW carry. I don't desire to shoot 3 shots per second either. But, I find that most double are just about two shots in 1 second total. They also do not permit drawing from the holster to fire, or firing from behind cardboard barricades for tactical practice, etc.

But here's the kicker. The last time I fired an M1A there, they asked me to stop because "...the customers can hear it downstairs. We don't want them to get frightened."

Well, at least they no longer insist on affixing a lock to people's CCWs anymore. Give a pin-head two bits of authority and they'll abuse.

Doc2005

Lupinus
April 12, 2006, 11:22 AM
Doc-
At least around here not being able to draw from concelment, or holster period, is pretty standard practice. And much as it may suck I can't say I blame them either.

If I was a range owner I wouldn't want some idiot trying to draw from his holster faster then he can manage and doing a number of things that would be bad- dropping his gun (even though most modern guns wont go off it still can), shooting his foot, shooting into the ground or wall, or god forbid shooting someone else. All of those are bad for buisness and in the more anti-gun places could very possibly get you shut down. There are enough accidents at ranges when people are just setting up to shoot, let alone drawing a gun from his holster where the gun will be in motion.

rero360
April 12, 2006, 02:22 PM
hmm... I always thought rapid fire was faster than sustained fire, but a bit slower than supressive fire, so in other words, firing as fast as you can get back on target, which all depends on the individual, weapon and the target, M16 and a man size target at ranges under 100 yards, then about two to three rounds per second. but thats just me.

when its on the govs dime, rapid fire is the way to go, when I'm footing the bill for the ammo, I tend to slow down a little bit.

Amish_Bill
April 12, 2006, 03:12 PM
They have that at most indoor ranges I've been to - tends to keep the yahoos from shooting up the floors, ceilings, target mover systems, etc.

Was half expecting them to talk to me once when I was testing out a .45. When I left the one guy had a comment about me chewing up the center of the target fairly well. Apparently they were watching and gave me a pass since i was keeping everything well inside the paper.

Hawkmoon
April 12, 2006, 04:09 PM
I've only had experience with three indoor ranges. None allow rapid fire, although two of the three will allow double taps ... as long as you don't play games with them and try to calim "double double taps" or "triple double taps." I don't think any of them actually define "rapid fire," but anything faster than one round per second seems to be the working definition.

None of the ranges around here allow drawing from a holster.

280PLUS
April 12, 2006, 06:46 PM
HAWKMOON!! :p

:D

At my range the rule is if you can keep your gun under control and your rounds on the paper you can shoot as fast as you'd like. But if I see you hitting the walls, ceiling, floor etc your rapid fire days are over.

About 2 months agoe we got new target carriers. Nice piece of angle iron protecting the works in front of each. The center of the target hangs at LEAST 12" below the works. Every new target holder (10) has multiple splat marks on them already. It's un - friggin - believable how badly the average Joe (or Jane) shoots.

Hawkmoon shoots pretty darn good though! ;)

DougW
April 12, 2006, 08:24 PM
Generally, all the ranges here in N Texas have a 1 round every 2 seconds rule.

My son (Sgt. US Army) and I were shooting with friends at a large outdoor range/training facility that is frequented by LEO and Military personnel for all sorts of weapons training. Auto weapons are fairly common, but obviously checked very closley. The speed limit on shots are only as fast as safely possible. Wild shots gets you evicted perminately.

My son grew up playing paintball, and could minipulate a trigger very very fast (non electric paintball guns). He was shooting his CAR15, and proceeded to go high speed. He and I fired side by side, him with a 30 round mag and me with a 20. He finished his 30 when I was at round 12, and shooting as fast as I could cotroll (all of his rounds were in the target at 25 yards).

The owner of the facility came down, and with a good spirit, proceeded to inspect my son's rifle for the "fun" setting. Since it is a normal semi, the owner commented that he has never seen anyone fire an AR so quickly without bump firing or using a full auto weapon. So I guess my definition of "rapid fire" has a high mark now.

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