This council member from NY is nuts..


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bg
April 12, 2006, 03:37 PM
I didn't believe what I was reading at first. A gun dealer
could be fined ANYWHERE in the U.S for a gun used
in a crime ?
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/6-4-12/40330.html

Yassky has authored a bill that would direct the city to fine any member of the gun industry—in New York City or out of state—$100,000 for each violation of a code of conduct designed to protect New Yorkers from illegal firearms. Among other stipulations, the code of conduct would put a cap on the number of guns being sold to one person

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K-Romulus
April 12, 2006, 04:02 PM
Well, but still pretty nutty.

They sure are determined to "take the fight" to the rest of America:

Yassky authored a similar bill last year that would allow the city to sue those gun dealers and manufacturers. The council passed it and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has spoken out strongly against illegal gun trafficking, signed it. However, the U.S. Congress, which is currently Republican-controlled and in favor of gun rights, recently overturned the bill.

"We did it already and then Congress overruled all the local and state laws," said Yassky. This time, the bill was crafted to avoid possible overruling from Congress. It charges the irresponsible gun dealers and manufacturers with a civil penalty rather than suing them like the last bill, he said.

"We are absolutely determined to protect ourselves [from gun violence]," he said.


Is this the "new loophole?" I guess loopholes are OK when it is your side that pushes them . .

Graystar
April 12, 2006, 04:19 PM
David Yassky is an anti-gun fanatic in the strictest sense. Apparently, heís also a very bad lawyer if he thinks he can pass a local law that applies to people outside his jurisdiction and canít be overridden by Congress.

In other states with lax gun laws, such gun dealers are responsible for 9 out of 10 illegal guns that maker their way into New York City.
They either just make that up or got it from NYAGV, who just made it up. Not only is it an impossible stat to prove, itís an impossible stat to collect.

K-Romulus
April 12, 2006, 04:31 PM
Two anti-gun-owner lawyers think NYC is shooting blanks:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20050307_lytton.html
(article from last year)
excerpt

If GIRA Is A "Police Power" Law, It is Almost Certainly Unconstitutional

So suppose, then, that GIRA is not supposed to be a new tort rule; it is supposed to be a regulation governing conduct that includes a civil penalty provision. A new problem then arises, for the New York City Council has jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Here's the problem: Municipal legislation which is designed to regulate conduct outside of New York State almost certainly runs afoul of the "dormant" commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The Commerce Clause contained in Article I of the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the exclusive power to regulate interstate commerce. "Dormant" commerce clause doctrine holds that, as a corollary to the commerce clause, states may not regulate interstate commerce even in areas where Congress has chosen not to exercise its regulatory powers.

Among the restrictions on state regulatory power included in dormant commerce clause doctrine is a prohibition on state laws that have extraterritorial regulatory effects beyond the borders of the state. Thus, the State of New York may not enact a statute that restricts gun sales in New Jersey.

LAR-15
April 12, 2006, 04:45 PM
He's full of it.

boofus
April 12, 2006, 04:50 PM
I thought regulating interstate commerce was exclusively the duty of the US Federal government?

The gun companies not based in New Dork should tell him flat out that he can go ["do something unsavory."]

(Art's Grammaw was here. -- pax)

Standing Wolf
April 12, 2006, 06:44 PM
"We are absolutely determined to protect ourselves [from gun violence]," he said.

If he had any sense, he'd be concerned about criminal violence.

Erebus
April 12, 2006, 07:06 PM
If he had any sense, he'd be concerned about criminal violence.

To most of these lefties think gun-owner = murderer looking for a place to strike, gun-dealer = murder weapon supplier, and gun-maker = murder weapon maker. So therefore all of the above are the source of criminal violence.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 12, 2006, 07:14 PM
Yes, this would definitely run afoul of the dormant commerce clause powers of Congress. Basically there is no way this legislation could stand... it would get struck down the first time it went to court.

SomeKid
April 12, 2006, 09:15 PM
it would get struck down the first time it went to court.

We hope.

If I was a gun dealer outside of NYC, I would send them a note in the mail, enclosed would be a picture of my middle finger.

Al Norris
April 13, 2006, 01:56 AM
it would get struck down the first time it went to court.
Well, at least any Federal court. I'm not at all sure about NYC courts or even NY State courts.

PATH
April 13, 2006, 02:02 AM
I know it is wishful thinking but how about the gun manufacturers stop selling to the NYPD and other NYC law enforcement agancies. Don't service anything either. Screw them and their NEw YorkTrigger. Carry truncheons like the British Bobbies! Yassky is sure we don't need firearms!:neener: :evil:

Langenator
April 13, 2006, 02:15 AM
NYC has a variation of the same syndrome that affects leaders of Red China. In the Chinese, it's called the Middle Kingdom complex-they believe that China is rightfully the center of the world.

NYC thinks they're the center of the world, and that world revolves around them.

justashooter
April 13, 2006, 03:08 AM
china is the center of the world.

hell is in the center of the earth, right? china is hell. i have a love-hate relationship with china. i love it when i'm not here, and hate it when i am.

Sistema1927
April 13, 2006, 10:35 AM
Gun control has worked so well for NYC, why not a bunch more gun control laws?

[/sarcasm]

Too bad we don't still hang traitors, this guy would be at the top of the steps.

migoi
April 13, 2006, 01:06 PM
other cities, mainly those with gun dealers affected by this idiocy, should pass local legislation that fines NYC councilpersons $200,000 every time they open their yapper.

One should be about as enforcible as the other....

migoi

ball3006
April 13, 2006, 01:52 PM
I believe that the Sullivan Law will be 100 years old in two years.........chris3

gunsmith
April 14, 2006, 07:57 AM
and boasted about all my guns:evil:


why not let them know how you feel? no need to be polite, they're new yorkers!

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gunsmith
April 15, 2006, 07:07 PM
to tell him his career is over?

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