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30-06 lover
April 13, 2006, 01:04 AM
Today I am in class when my teacher informs us that we have a guest speaker. The teacher is talking about "Gun Violence" and I am immediately annoyed...Guns cannot be violent. So he starts off on Right to Carry. He says "I need two volunteers." Two people raise their hands and he gives one a toy pistol and says "Put that anywhere you want on your body." So the volunteer does and the guest speaker states to the unarmed volunteer "Your job is to attack the armed person and make sure he doesn't get the gun out. Surprise the armed volunteer...don't tell him when you are going to attack." He then looks at the guy he gave the toy gun to and states "When he attacks pull your gun." So what happens is the guy with the gun cannot pull it fast enough. He says "This is why it is not only dangerous for people to arm themselves, but stupid." Now I am pissed. I raise my hand and ask "Can I try a little experiment?" The guest speaker says "Sure, what about?" But is very uncertain. "Right to Carry" I say. The he roles his eyes and says "well lets see what you can bring to the table." So I take three students out of class and give one the toy gun and tell the armed student to hide it and tell them all not to reveal who has the gun. I go back inside with the three and Say to the classmate who was the attacker in the guest speaker's scenario to attack one of the three students I chose. I Tell the attacker "Attack one. Choose anyone you want it doesn't matter. Only one is armed so your odds are pretty good. However; you better choose the right one because if you choose an an unarmed student, the armed one will shoot you for attacking his peer." The attacker looks at me and says "Which one has the gun?" I say "Figure it out on your own." The attacker looks at me and says "I don't want to...I don't want to pick the wrong person and get shot." That is when I look at the guest speaker and say "That is why Right to Carry works." I smile and head back to my seat proud to see the class understanind. Then the speaker states "That is nonsense, If you don't want to believe me you can just leave." So I left and headed home to clean my new 6mm.

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OCJ
April 13, 2006, 01:11 AM
I appreciate your efforts sir, however some are just too dense to understand the fact that firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens make the country safer. Thanks for standing up for what you believe in and what the rest of us believe in. The speaker was probably mad for making him look like an ass ;)

justashooter
April 13, 2006, 01:40 AM
very funny. a wonderful response to a silly premise.

the guest speaker probably still doesn't have a clue, but some of the students in the audience might.

BullfrogKen
April 13, 2006, 01:45 AM
Great way to point out the phalacy. Guess we better disarm the police based off our friend The Genious' position.

rayra
April 13, 2006, 05:59 AM
Eggselent. The awesome followup would have been 'I realize you are trying to get rid of me so I won't embarass you and your propaganda a second time. Please, carry on, I'll remain more polite than you have been'.
That would have put him completely off his stride, had him fumbling to make his BS points.
:evil:

Freelance Tax Collector
April 13, 2006, 06:20 AM
That speaker didn't by any chance happen to be this guy (http://release.theplatform.com/content.select?pid=EX_6PuwELuJWKtKomP81MxIl4teo441k&UserName=Unknown) did it?

cambeul41
April 13, 2006, 06:45 AM
…is that the chosen attacker is not going to be hurt by a defensive move by the CCW person THEN “shot.”


I must compliment you on your splendid response to the phony demonstration.

mbs357
April 13, 2006, 07:30 AM
That was awesome.
:D

Rich K
April 13, 2006, 08:32 AM
+1, that was great. More power to ya.:D

Eleven Mike
April 13, 2006, 08:44 AM
Great job, but you should have stayed.

HankB
April 13, 2006, 08:47 AM
"That is nonsense, If you don't want to believe me you can just leave."Actually, rather than leaving, rayra's response would have been better . . . or perhaps "I should leave because I don't believe you? Perhaps YOU should leave if you're unable to defend your assertions in a rational manner."

Still and all, an awesome performance. Too bad you didn't get a chance to hear him mouth off after you left. (Where was the teacher when all this was happening, and didn't he/she object to your departure?)

geekWithA.45
April 13, 2006, 08:53 AM
Great Performance!

But Whoa....let's back up a minute.

What sort of school was this that brings in a person to tell people that excercising their inherent rights is futile and stupid?

Could you tell us more about the context? What was the course? Age group of the students?

V4Vendetta
April 13, 2006, 09:54 AM
30-06lover, you are now officially one of my heroes. Right up there with the guy who invented Mountain Dew & Jimmy Stewart. I wish you could have stayed & embarrased him some more but at least you got a good point in.:) Makes me wish that I went to college so I could do that*.


*Not really.

Sistema1927
April 13, 2006, 12:14 PM
So, when is this "citadel of higher learning" going to bring in an pro-freedom/pro-RKBA speaker?

That would only be "fair and balanced", wouldn't it?

(Of course, they don't want to be balanced, they only want to spew their propaganda, the filth rotten b$#%^&rds.)

Oh, BTW, good job in disarming this guy. However, in a battle of wits, your opponent was only half-armed!

merk
April 13, 2006, 12:33 PM
What sort of school was this that brings in a person to tell people that excercising their inherent rights is futile and stupid?


Im very sorry to say that thats the state of our schools today. Whats sad is im going to have to debunk the crap public schools are going to put in my childrens heads when I have them.

M.E.Eldridge
April 13, 2006, 12:42 PM
Great job man, we need more people like you in our schools. I assume, since you were able to leave your class that you are in college. If so, what was this particular class and did the guest speaker have anything to do with the curriculum? I attended college for a wildlife management and fish hatchery operation degrees, and most of my classmates hunted, shot and fished like it was a religeon. I wonder what would have happened if a 'Gun Violence' speaker came to those classes:evil:

lucky_fool
April 13, 2006, 12:44 PM
Great comeback.

The other serious problem with his example is that the "armed victim" had absolutely no training or experience with a defensive firearm. That makes about as much sense as putting somebody who's never driven a car behind the wheel and then suggesting that nobody else should be allowed to drive because they crashed.

AndyC
April 13, 2006, 01:19 PM
The attacker looks at me and says "I don't want to...I don't want to pick the wrong person and get shot." That is when I look at the guest speaker and say "That is why Right to Carry works."
Nice one :D

Pafrmu
April 13, 2006, 01:41 PM
Touche!

Eleven Mike
April 13, 2006, 01:48 PM
The other serious problem with his example is that the "armed victim" had absolutely no training or experience with a defensive firearm. That makes about as much sense as putting somebody who's never driven a car behind the wheel and then suggesting that nobody else should be allowed to drive because they crashed.That was the first problem I noticed. I think the speaker's object lesson actually demonstrated why it is legitimate to shoot a person who is about to attack you with a "mere" knife or baseball bat.

CubDriver
April 13, 2006, 01:49 PM
Way to go!!! I am in college, its amazing how poor some of these instructors’ arguments are, but no one challenges them. I have stood up and made counter points, but those that do are often told that they will be written up for disrupting class. I have only had one professor (an economics prof) who welcomed this, and would often let students debate for an entire period if we got started. I learned a lot from the discussions in that class, and no matter where the conversation went the prof always did an extremely good job of tying it back into the course of study.

Way to go, we need more people like you in college.

-David

Twycross
April 13, 2006, 03:08 PM
Excellent job! Continue the good fight! But...
Right up there with the guy who invented Mountain Dew
It will be a cold day in hell before that can top the invention of Mountain Dew. :D

Guy B. Meredith
April 13, 2006, 03:08 PM
What are the school and guest speaker? I live in the area and would like to be forewarned about bumping into this crowd.

I would have hung around to watch the embarassment and subsequent soft shoe dance.

akodo
April 13, 2006, 03:43 PM
excellent excellent work, plus good thinking on your feet.

Of course, it is easy to think about additional stuff to say and do after the fact, when you have time to think, not get caught 'cold turkey'.

I'd have stayed, said 'why don't YOU leave'
If this is a public highschool i woudl have told the teacher you have a problem with a politically driven person coming in and passing opinion off as fact, demand the teacher make the speaker leave. Go to the principal as well, state that you think if a person is going to come in and speak on a matter of opinion, the teacher should be required to announce it beforehand, and attempt to find someone to speak about the other side. The schools are for learning, not spreading a specific political agenda. Submit said request in writing as well, and tell him if he doesn't agree, you will write a letter to the editor of the local paper stating your request and his refusal.

Now, are there any progun phonenumbers a person could call to get assitance or an expert when they see stuff like this giong on?

white_interpreter
April 13, 2006, 03:52 PM
THREE CHEERS to 30-06 lover.

sorry if i got the name wrong.

CubDriver
April 13, 2006, 04:12 PM
It’s a sad day in college, I replied just above before going to my class. Well during that class the teacher promoted (not just informed, which I would have been fine with) a pro immigrant protest here on campus. She spent a good portion of the period getting the students riled up in support using many what I felt were factually baseless and flat out wrong statements. I didn’t personally speak up because I am not familiar enough with the issue to actually counter and back up with facts what she was claiming. Some other students did chose to speak up, and she pretty much told them it was disrespectful to speak while others were speaking (They never got a “turn” to speak).

-David

Guy B. Meredith
April 13, 2006, 04:46 PM
They are not talking about immigrants. They are talking about illegals and making them equivalent to honest immigrants like my wife. The honest immigrants deserve equal treatment, ie, everyone else has to go through the same hurdles as people of any color from other countries.

Show this to your teacher.

carnaby
April 13, 2006, 05:04 PM
where was this at, btw?

FlaChef
April 14, 2006, 05:00 AM
Too bad you couldn't have had the time to prepare by wearing a toy gun in a proper rig and demonstrating how a person w/ training could get a gun out against a bumbler w/ a knife.

carnaby
December 31, 2007, 03:08 AM
Tell us more about the 6mm :)

kermit315
December 31, 2007, 03:18 AM
^^ necro-poster

Owens
December 31, 2007, 08:09 AM
That is nonsense, If you don't want to believe me you can just leave.

And that statement is the whole scheme wrapped up. Blind obedience. Don't think. Believe what you are told. We know whats best for you, just ask us!

carnaby
December 31, 2007, 12:18 PM
^^ necro-poster

yeah, I know. Couldn't help but resurrect this dead thread. I'm too interested in the 6mm. :)

Kimber1911_06238
December 31, 2007, 12:22 PM
thumbs up to you sir. i am just confused as to why the speaker assumed that the person carrying wouldn't be able to kick the attacker's AS* without pulling their gun?

NG VI
December 31, 2007, 12:33 PM
wondiferous!!!
my girlfriend is a criminal justice major who believes that no private citizens should 'be allowed' to have guns! she thinks only people who work for the gov should have them. no problem with me owning, and even will help me get one for my birthday 08, but she is incredibly resistant to the notiotn that the constitution trumps social engineering and whatnot

doc2rn
December 31, 2007, 12:33 PM
Similar thing got me sent to the Deans office because an entire class dropped the teacher before midterms. I thought schools are supposed to be bastions of learning not mindless rhetoric. Reminds me i have to take another PH course now. Only one year left! Hang in there 30-06lover, we are still rootin for you. Mine happened at Washburn University in '05.

mossberg
December 31, 2007, 02:30 PM
Nice work man, you got guts. Good on Ya!

Hacker15E
January 1, 2008, 02:53 AM
Sounds like hyperbole to me -- if it's true, then bravo.

What school? What course?

Big45
January 1, 2008, 07:47 AM
my girlfriend is a criminal justice major who believes that no private citizens should 'be allowed' to have guns! she thinks only people who work for the gov should have them. no problem with me owning, and even will help me get one for my birthday 08, but she is incredibly resistant to the notiotn that the constitution trumps social engineering and whatnot

wait...she's still your girlfriend? Just how good looking is she?:scrutiny:

Silvanus
January 1, 2008, 08:36 AM
That's pretty cool 30-06 lover! You did a great job. Additionally you could have taken the "gun" yourself and show the class how fast and effectively YOU could draw it in the situation where you're attacked. And point out that the right training is fundamental if you choose to carry a handgun.

Again, great job, you did exactly the right thing:D

JohnL2
January 1, 2008, 09:10 AM
I think you may have rocked that speakers world with some good old common sense.
Something that is sadly more and more lacking in academia. Sigh.
I wish to God I took an engineering and business course of study.

Mauserguy
January 1, 2008, 11:44 AM
That's an awsome story. I even like how it had a happy ending about cleaning a new firearm. Students should always question, never just accept statements as fact. Good work.
Mauserguy

230RN
January 1, 2008, 06:19 PM
That was a great learning lesson in countering this kind of stuff.

And not only with respect to 2A. See, for example,

http://noindoctrination.org/

Scroll down to "View Postings."

This site collects documented instances of professors' attempts to indoctrinate their students with their own opinions, and offers the instructors a chance to respond to the allegation.

DoubleTapDrew
January 1, 2008, 06:31 PM
Excellent job! You should petition the professor to now allow a right to carry speaker come and speak. If he objects you could move up the chain of command mentioning how you are disturbed about the indoctrination going on. Who knows, it might work.

jhco50
January 1, 2008, 11:06 PM
:D Kudos! It is sharp students like you that make me proud.

The Deer Hunter
January 1, 2008, 11:13 PM
Hahahaha, that was a good read. The guest speaker must have been so dumbfounded!

Good for you man, I don't think I would be that quick on the draw...

figuratively.

:D

bluestarlizzard
January 1, 2008, 11:23 PM
good job,

although i would have been tempted to stay, and blow his argueement further. another thing is i would have asked to be the 'victum'. hypothetically, all of us have had some training in keeping our gun in our hands. that random student wouldn't have had that training.

post back with your teachers comments!

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