Another Wal-Mart Thread--Opinions Please


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fiVe
April 13, 2006, 03:00 PM
I've read a few threads here on THR about Wal-Mart ceasing the sale of firearms (or firearms/ammo) at some stores. Yesterday, I was in the Wal-Mart nearest my home and I happened to ask the Sporting Goods clerk (had Assistant Manager on his name tag) about this. He said in June they will begin re-modeling this store(it is currently a SuperCenter, but it was converted from a standard store). After the re-modeling, they will no longer sell firearms. I asked him why they are doing this. He said he was told it was due to sales, but he said it is really just some social experiment that someone way up the management chain wants to try. He said, "I told them it was a mistake. We have a lot of hunters in the area, and we sell a minimum of 2 guns a week". There are 3 other supercenters in our county which he said would all continue to sell as before.

This store stocks approx. 20 rifles/shotguns. I'm no expert on any of this, but is 2 guns/week really not worth their time? It's not that it really bothers me all that much (Buck and Bass is closer than Wal-Mart anyway), but I find this "social experiment" (yeah, sure) angle to be irritating. I guess some decisions are just best left un-pondered.

Thoughts? Comments?

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AJ Dual
April 13, 2006, 03:24 PM
The Wal-Mart's that have been pulling firearms are one of two things:

1. Poor gun sales or poor profit margin on gun sales. Even with Wal-Mart squeezing their suppliers and the sweetheart deals they get on guns and the Winchester White-Box value pack bulk ammo, I'd wager that the gun sales and the WWB ammo are just to drive ancillary sales for the rest of the sporting goods department.

It sucks, but it's not a conspiracy, nor is it political. Everyone knows Wal-Mart is a hyper-efficient company that tracks every last penny. If something is doing surprisingly well or surprisingly poorly HQ wants to know why, and wants that item either removed, or re-stocked yesterday…

2. Several Wal-Mart's have been dinged over improper Federal and state firearm paperwork, gun inventory etc. They can't pay the $7.00/hr clerk that has to cover automotive, paint, and the toy department enough to fill out a 4473 yellow form properly.

They don't necessarily want to quit selling guns, but their economic wage model just doesn't make it practical. Some areas the Wal-Mart has the pick of the litter for that $7.00/hr, some retired military officer, or white-collar exec. working part-time to supplement his pension etc., while Wal-Marts in other areas can barely find someone able count to twenty without taking their shoes off for $7.00/hr…

It's entirely possible that Wal-Mart is just "easing out" of guns, I won't discount that completely, but for right now, I'm more inclined to thing Wal-Mart is just "right-sizing", which any business needs to do to survive and prosper.

Everyone who's been asking managers about the guns gets different answers, generaly with the manager's own opinion mixed in. If it is #1, I can imagine Wal-Mart being loath to admit sales weakness in anything, IMO. And if it's #2, do they want to admit that their employees are morons? I doubt that too.

My closest Wal-Mart in the SW suburbs of Milwaukee remodled just this past year, and the gun counter got improved. They've had the same sporting goods dept. manager for several years now. And that may be part of the reason. (He gets to wear a special camoflauge Wal-Mart sporting goods shirt in the fall...)

Freddymac
April 13, 2006, 03:39 PM
You should be buying them from your local gun shop. You should be supporting local businesses. These people are facing more bureaucratic BS every day, coupled with increasing costs and decreasing profit margins. What would happen if our local shops start going out of business? Are you really willing to let these large corporate stores be your source for firearms? What happens when they decide not to carry guns or ammo any more because of a law suit or some anti gun executive steers the company in another direction? Do you think that 16 year old high school punk behind the counter is going to give you reliable advise? None or those people care about our sport or our rights. Your local shop owner on the other hand is the tip of the spear in our fight to keep our right to bear arms. Please support them. Do business with them. Don't sell out the local guy for the 62 cents that you save at Wally world.

P.S. sorry for the rant.

Fred

Havegunjoe
April 13, 2006, 03:41 PM
Shop elsewhere! Support your local gun shop even if it cost you an extra buck or two. I can find ammo on the internet for example for as low or lower than Wally World.

Justin
April 13, 2006, 03:49 PM
You know what I can't get enough of?

I just can't have enough threads discussing whether or not Wal*Mart is driving all of the local gun stores out of business.

I mean, I totally hope I wake up one morning, log onto THR, and see nothing but thread after thread with glorious, neverending debates about buying guns and ammo at Wal*Mart. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)

Camp David
April 13, 2006, 03:50 PM
If Wall-Mart can't hire knowledgable gun salesmen, I don't believe they should sell guns or ammunition! That opinion might not rest well with the Gun Lobby but in the interest of avoiding crime and selling guns to would be criminals or untrained users, I believe an educated and knowledgable gun salesman is at least one step in the crime prevention process...

This opinion is not to set up a further barrier in the gun acquistion cycle, simply a professional approach to the sale of firearms that could perhaps better be conducted in a real gun store as opposed to a cut-rate department store run, in most cases, by high school dropouts!

A few years back I remember being in a Wall Mart buying cheap arrows for my bow; a few kids were over at the store's gun rack and the salesman was letting them aim the shotgun they were both looking at all over the store... bad horseplay with the gun which the teenage salesman had no control whatsoever over!

If Wall-Mart has given up selling guns I don't feel that this is a terrirble loss for Gun Rights but perhaps a pro-active move that means more responsible gun dealers will exercise... even Mom & Pop stores generally exercise more control over guns and ammunition than I ever saw in a department store...

Flame opinion if you wish but I just don't credit Wall Mart type department stores with exercising any responsibility whatsoever....

thereisnospoon
April 13, 2006, 03:52 PM
Justin,

Were you being, um,....what's the word I'm looking for.......oh, yeah...

sarcastic?

c_yeager
April 13, 2006, 03:54 PM
Shop elsewhere! Support your local gun shop even if it cost you an extra buck or two. I can find ammo on the internet for example for as low or lower than Wally World.


Before there was a Walmart in my area, and before online ammunition sales gained momentum, my local gunshops routinely ripped me and every other sportsman off on ammo, and typically marked fireams over MSRP, and *forget* about customer service. I get better service at Wallyworld today than I got in the pre-internet gunshop, the kid behind the counter may not know crap about guns but he knows better than to patronize you. As far as I am concerned Walmart and the Net are keeping our local guys honest. If you think your local shop wont screw you given half the chance, then you are either wrong, or they dont know how to stay in business.

I dont give charity to commercial enterprise.

cbsbyte
April 13, 2006, 03:54 PM
I don't shop at Wal-mart but I understand why people do shop there. You should see some of the prices of Wolf ammo in the local dealers around here. $6.95 + tax for a 20rd box of .223. I don't think so. If you have a good one near you than, great shop there, but if you are in an area with local dealers who are a rip off then competition is welcome.

PlayboyPenguin
April 13, 2006, 03:55 PM
Since I would rather have a catheter tube insterted by a careless and angry chimpanzee than shop at Wal-Mart I could not care less if they stop selling guns and ammo. I will never try to save $1 on a cheap chinese made shirt at the expense of the american worker and production industries. :mad:

Car Knocker
April 13, 2006, 04:02 PM
Support your local gun shop even if it cost you an extra buck or two. I can find ammo on the internet for example for as low or lower than Wally World.

That was hilarious!!!! Support your local gun store - buy ammo on the internet. LMAO!!

308win
April 13, 2006, 04:02 PM
Let's see now, here we have a Moderator is, according to his own link, posting:



1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

And we call this the High Road.

Vern Humphrey
April 13, 2006, 04:07 PM
Isn't it odd how the same people seem to say:

I would never buy anything at Wal Mart.
and

Wal Mart is dropping the sort of things I like to buy.:rolleyes:

PlayboyPenguin
April 13, 2006, 04:10 PM
I agree. That is why I couldnot care less. They could go to only selling size XXXL womens sturrup pants for all I care. I think that is already about 60% of their sales anyway.:D

Couldn't resist the old Earnest reference in the title of my post.

SSN Vet
April 13, 2006, 04:21 PM
Didn't Sears used to sell guns in their catalogs? Did that make it harder or easier for average Joe's living in the stix to purchase fire arms? Did the "local" gun shops go balistic over this "unfair marketing by corporate giants".

I'm no big Walmart fan....I generally avoid the place as much as possible.

I'm also no big fan of corporate outsourcing & Chinease imports.

But I'm wise enough to know that Walmart is all about one thing and one thing only.............$$$$$

If a 50 s.f. chunck of floor space only sells 2 guns a week at 5% margin....by by guns, hello diapers! (or whatever other landfill filling disposable piece of made in China crap that Americans buy like hot cakes).

As for impact on RKBA........they're opening up access to economy firearms and ammo to those Americans who can't afford to pump $20/box ammo. through a $1,000 pistol).

MD_Willington
April 13, 2006, 04:24 PM
If they stop sellings in sporting goods, maybe they'll flog all the WWB... They do that with pretty much everything else... They have a clearance section... At least that is what they do at the two near me...

Chipperman
April 13, 2006, 04:26 PM
OK, just to add what I heard...

I asked a Walmart employee in Salem, NH the other day. He said that the guns were out during the remodeling process for liability reasons, because the remodelers are subcontractors.

The guns will be back when the remodeling is done.

Who knows if this is true, but is does at least make sense.

jaxenro
April 13, 2006, 04:39 PM
Let's say WM sells 1 to 2 guns/week @ $300 apiece (I have always found employee's sales estimates inflated). $600 in sales is probably $200 or so in margin dollars (33%), not knowing the gun business all that well. I'm guessing they stock more than 20 as the ones near me usually have around that number on display, so they probably have a few in reserve. At 1.5 guns per week and 30 on hand they are maintaining 15 weeks of supply. Not bad, but not good. Add to that the additional handling, secure storage, state laws, federal laws, forms, etc. required to support those sales.

Now look at the same size rack in clothing. Probably maintaining 6 or so weeks of supply. Margin % is in the 50 to 60% range, and the inventory turns over twice as fast. Requires no paperwork to support the sale other than that handled by the normal POS system. Clearing old inventory is easier, ever try to MOS old ammo?

A lot of this is guesstimate, but I would wonder why they are in the firearm business from a pure $$$ basis?

Lou629
April 13, 2006, 04:39 PM
Wally World is fine for their (usually) great ammo prices. As for their selection of guns themselves, well, they're never gonna' be my first choice for that, but their prices on them are some of the best around too, if the available selections happen to be something you're looking to buy.
As far as that goes, if they have the exact make & model that i wanted, i'd have no problem buying it from them. I'll worry about "supporting" my local gunstore, when the nitwits that run my local gunstores start worrying about me, the customer, with some courtesy, respect & decent prices.
Even if i'd likely get the same overall lack of service & attitude @ WallyWorld, why not try to save a few bucks along the way, if the opportunity presents itself? I say screw the ripoff-artists @ my local gunshops till their attitudes improve, and they can earn my business!
To bad WW doesn't sell handguns too.

orionengnr
April 13, 2006, 04:42 PM
up in my neck of the woods (Denton, TX) WalMart sold a shotgun/rifle (I forget which) to a female who filled out the 4473 stating "no" in all the proper places.

Then she went home and shot herself. Turns out she was under treatment for depression.

Her parents filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit against WalMart, blaming them for her daughter's death. :cuss: Never mind that the daughter falsified the documents...:banghead:

The case is still not resolved, to the best of my knowledge. As long as our "legal" system continues to play Robin Hood, I can understand Wal-Mart wnting no part of that lottery.

Justin
April 13, 2006, 04:45 PM
Let's see now, here we have a Moderator is, according to his own link, posting:



1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

And we call this the High Road.

Go with definition #1. I've never cared for dictionary definitions that use the word being defined within the definition.

Honestly, I'm bored to freakin' tears by the Wal*Mart threads. No one ever convinces anybody to change their stance, and they're the same thing every single time.

Were I any good at writing code, I'm 100% certain that I could, in about ten minutes, write a script that would be capable of generating one of these discussions from start to finish.

Richard.Howe
April 13, 2006, 04:50 PM
You should be buying them from your local gun shop. You should be supporting local businesses. These people are facing more bureaucratic BS every day, coupled with increasing costs and decreasing profit margins. What would happen if our local shops start going out of business?

My Glock model 19:

$449 online at http://www.topglock.com/catalog/pistols_glock.htm
$626 at my local gunshop

I guess I'm just not that principled.

Old Dog
April 13, 2006, 04:59 PM
c_yeager and SSN Vet echo my feelings on the whole Wal-Mart topic:
I get better service at Wallyworld today than I got in the pre-internet gunshop, the kid behind the counter may not know crap about guns but he knows better than to patronize you. As far as I am concerned Walmart and the Net are keeping our local guys honest. If you think your local shop wont screw you given half the chance, then you are either wrong, or they dont know how to stay in business.This is true of far too many gunshops!
As for impact on RKBA........they're opening up access to economy firearms and ammo to those Americans who can't afford to pump $20/box ammo. through a $1,000 pistol).Absolutely correct! I know of a lot of hunters who can't affort Browning A-Bolts or Winchester Model 70 Classics with Leupold optics, but make do with a $359 Savage 110/Simmons scope combo bought at Wal-Mart ... And the prices on the entry-level Marlin 336s, Win. 94s, Mossberg 500s -- get a whole helluva lot of folks into the shooting world -- not to mention the WWB prices which keep a lot of people shooting.

Frankly, so many comments on Wal-Mart (to me, at least) smack of snobbery - the "I wouldn't even dream of shopping at a Wal-Mart" type comments or "I'd rather be catheterized" to me really mean "God forbid anyone I know should ever see me leaving a Wal-Mart, that'd be so embarassing."

Those who claim their political principles preclude them from patronizing their local Wal-Mart should perhaps drag themselves into the 21st century and attempt to understand, and accept, the global economy, because, folks, things aren't ever gonna get back to the way they were in 1956 ...

entropy
April 13, 2006, 06:24 PM
If Wall-Mart can't hire knowledgable gun salesmen, I don't believe they should sell guns or ammunition!

Actually, they hired me. But they put me in Housewares.:p My nephew, who has gone shooting all of twice with me, and couple times in Boy Scouts, is the Sporting Goods Dept Mgr. Go figure. :rolleyes:

It frustrates me. Things are changing since Sam Walton, died, and not for the better. But I doubt the 'social experiment' thing for two reasons;

If that decision could be made for that reason at the Regional level, none of the stores around here would carry anything to do with firearms, the RM is so anti. and two, if it were a 'social experiment', they sure as heck wouldn't tell Assistant Managers that.;)

TexasRifleman
April 13, 2006, 06:46 PM
Look, first of all there is no way a local store manager is going to be privy to why the Board of Directors and Sr VP of Operations decides ANYTHING, guns to TVs to underwear so anything you hear at a store level is guessing at best.



You are going to have to go to Arkansas to get the real answer.

Mainsail
April 13, 2006, 06:58 PM
You should look at this as an opportunity. If they sell two guns a week, and I suppose plenty of ammunition for them, ask the manager is you can lease some space inside the store and sell guns independently. They have banks in the supermarket right?

ArmedBear
April 13, 2006, 07:09 PM
Selling a couple of guns a week might not be worth it to them.

They have to have an FFL, pay the tax, train people to fill out forms, and pay fines when they don't. They have to store paperwork and assume liability.

Some people are gun collectors, even if they don't think of themselves as such. Others are hunters -- Wal-Mart sells hunting guns, primarily -- and in some parts, that means they buy one gun and shoot it for 20 years or more. More profit and less hassle to let them buy the gun elsewhere, but sell them ammo, Hoppes, and orange vests.

CajunBass
April 13, 2006, 07:17 PM
You shouldn't be buying guns or ammo at walmart anyway.

You should be buying them from your local gun shop. You should be supporting local businesses.

Wal-Mart is just down the street here. They bought land here. Their employees are all local people from here. They pay taxes here. They buy goods and services here. They ARE a local gun shop as much so as anybody.

Frankly Wal-Mart carries at best a couple dozen different types of shotguns and rifles. They carry a limited selection of ammo. Around here, you could take all the shooting and hunting related stock in a Wal-Mart, and put it in the back of a pick-up truck and have room left over. If your "local" gun shop can't compete with Wal-Mart, they're not trying very hard.

joab
April 13, 2006, 07:24 PM
I haven't read all oof the posts here, actually any of them.
So if this has already been said I apologize.

I spoke to the manager of our local WalMart last week
he told me that Wal-Mart was not going out of the gun business just simply scaling back on the number of stores that sale firearms.

The WalMart in Ocoee will still sale guns but others in the area will not.
He was not sure if they will ship a gun to a store closer to you if you purchase on line or request that it be sent to a closer store.

MDG1976
April 13, 2006, 07:45 PM
Walmart is trying to change their image to become more upscale. Hunting does not equal upscale.

silliman89
April 13, 2006, 07:54 PM
I know this may be boring to Justin, but I'm going to say it anyway. :p

Average Jane Soccer Mom never walks into the local gun shop. She walks into Wal-Mart all the time. Maybe I'm just sick and twisted, but it brings me pleasure every time Average Jane has to see the big rotating glass display case full of GUNS while she's shopping for pampers and groceries. :what: Hopefully she'll come to realize that GUNS don't mean the world is coming to an end. After all, they're all just sitting there not hurting a soul day after day...

aguyindallas
April 13, 2006, 07:57 PM
I was in my local wal-mart today and they said that around the second week of August, they will no longer sell firearms.

Kinda pisses me off in one sense, but then again, I have never bought a gun from them anyway. I have bought a lot of ammo though.

Walmart is trying to change their image to become more upscale. Hunting does not equal upscale.

On the contrary, I know that there are SEVERAL high dollar gun clubs in the Dallas area and some very high profile shooters.

Guns dont mean redneck hillbilly.

XDKingslayer
April 13, 2006, 09:05 PM
I honestly don't know how much weight to put into this whole Wal-Mart ceasing the selling of guns. My local Wally World, which has never had guns nor ammo, just put a gun and ammo section in...

Avenger29
April 13, 2006, 09:45 PM
I try to support my local gun shops whenever possible- except .22LR ammo at WW costs about $1 per 50, while at the local gunstores cost about $2.50-$2.99 per 50. 'Nuff said.

By the way, before you scream internet, I am only 18 and do not have a credit card nor the patience to wait for an ammo shipment.

fiVe
April 14, 2006, 12:58 AM
I honestly don't know how much weight to put into this whole Wal-Mart ceasing the selling of guns. My local Wally World, which has never had guns nor ammo, just put a gun and ammo section in...

Shucks, this is confusing. It just seems to me that if they have sold them in the past, then they should keep selling--especially in the South. If a person is ever interested in purchasing a rifle/shotgun from Wal-Mart, they'll have to keep track of which stores have something to sell. But I'm not in retail and there's nothing to gain in trying to figure it all out.

P.S. I didn't mean to start a boring thread.

spooney
April 14, 2006, 02:42 AM
Let's say WM sells 1 to 2 guns/week @ $300 apiece (I have always found employee's sales estimates inflated). $600 in sales is probably $200 or so in margin dollars (33%),

No problem with the rest of your post, I know for a fact though we don't have one gun that has over a 10% profit margin on it.

redneck2
April 14, 2006, 07:10 AM
I want to find the area that will let me sell guns for a 30% margin.

FWIW...a dealer may make 15% mark-up (not profit). Out of that they have to pay for the building, employees, taxes, utilities, etc. Where their real money comes in are trades and used guns. That's where Wally World can't compete and why local shops could do well if they're run right (depending on the locality)

I've got a friend that has owned a shop here for maybe a couple of years. He hasn't taken a nickle out since he's owned it. Fortunately for him, he owns another business that does quite well. The gun store is a sideline.

jaxenro
April 14, 2006, 10:38 AM
"No problem with the rest of your post, I know for a fact though we don't have one gun that has over a 10% profit margin on it."

"FWIW...a dealer may make 15% mark-up (not profit). Out of that they have to pay for the building, employees, taxes, utilities, etc."

As I said, I don't know the firearms business. I do know retail clothing and the IMU (initial mark-up) on a average womens top is in the 60 to 65% range. By the time you get through marking it down (based on a limited product lifestyle) you are probably turning around 50% for the entire run of the style (in other words, a $10 cost sweater that sells for $35 but ends up marked down to $9.99 averages $20 over it's life)

Those of you that are gun dealers compare that to your margins and you can probably explain in $$ why WM probably shouldn't be in this business. I think they do it to support ammunition & hunting gear sales. Not to make direct money on the gun sale.

Cuda
April 14, 2006, 11:05 AM
I shop where I'm treated as I would treat my customers.. We have a large local shop who won't give you the time of day and their prices are rather high. Each time I wallk into SW I'm greeted and whether I buy something or not I get great service. At our Local WM there's a young fella who is quite knowledgable about guns and is a pleasure to work with.. I guess for me, although price is important (I'm not rich) I want service. If WM provides me that vs. the local I'll go to WM..


C

cmidkiff
April 14, 2006, 11:37 AM
Wally world doesn't appear to be anti-2A, I've never seen a NO CCW sign on a walmart building... If they decide that firearms don't sell well enough to justify the shelf space, that's their decision. It's a (mostly) free country, afterall.

As provider for a large family, I shop at wally world. I regularly purchase WWB ammo, clothing, and household expendables there, and I don't really feel bad for saving a few bucks doing so.

Specialty items are different. A good gun shop provides a great deal more than any wally world sporting goods counter. Selection is much better, and if they don't have it, are happy to order it for you. I've yet to see accessories such as magazines, holsters, etc. at a wal-mart. Add to that, a good gun store should have at least a few employees who have some clue what they are talking about. A gun store owner or employee who can walk you through field stripping your new weapon, or recommend a particular lube, etc. is important to me.

I'll pay more for good service and selection on specialty items, and never complain about doing so. On everyday consumables, I will save every penny I can. If wal-mart stops selling ammo, I'll keep buying it online, and pick up last minute 'on my way to the range' ammo at a gun shop, rather than wally-world. You might be able to beat that online, wal-mart can't beat it though. Wal-mart will perhaps loose a few sales on other items that I might have picked up on these trips, but somehow I think they'll survive!

I recently had a real gun shop offer me 5.56 lake city bulk ammo at 18c/Round, as many as I wanted.

grimjaw
April 14, 2006, 11:46 AM
2. Several Wal-Mart's have been dinged over improper Federal and state firearm paperwork, gun inventory etc. They can't pay the $7.00/hr clerk that has to cover automotive, paint, and the toy department enough to fill out a 4473 yellow form properly.

I can believe this. The only time I've ever bought a gun from them, it took three people (including the manager) and one hour to get the form filled out.

jmm

Manedwolf
April 14, 2006, 11:56 AM
You should be buying them from your local gun shop. You should be supporting local businesses.

I would, IF those local gun shops went for a model of "competitive pricing", not "Let's overprice everything by at least $200, it's better to let it gather dust while we all babble BS about hunting and eat fast food (and ignore customers) than sell it for a LOW PROFIT MARGIN!"

No one disputes that Wal-Mart tends to underprice some items by questionable business practices, but when local stores think they can charge the price of a new 870 for an old, beat-up one with rust in the action, come on...

Capitalism is about being COMPETITIVE.

beaucoup ammo
April 14, 2006, 12:04 PM
Very true. However, documentaries, word of mouth and increasingly bad experiences at Wal Mart ARE changing minds.

Pity the poor employee at Wally World. Their "insurance" is public welfare. What a deal. Lettuce pickers are knocking down more than these "poor" folks.

It doesn't take a genius to see the job loses Wal Mart has created, and continue to decimate family owned operations every second of every day.

Want to have some serious fun? Park your truck/car with a "union" sign on the door or tailgate and watch the show begin!

Jets start arriving from Arkansas and suits run around like clowns with their pants on fire! It's hilarious! And it's free!

When they ask me about the "sign", I just say it's grampa's truck and I think it was the name of his bakery years ago!

I really don't give a damn if they sell guns/ammo or toilet paper. My money goes to help the dying American middle class.

Take Care

Doc Lukens
April 14, 2006, 01:43 PM
It all depends upon where you live. Small town Wal-Marts are generally great places to buy ammo and gun accessories. I've actually been sent to Wal-Mart FROM my local gun shop. They're doing just fine competing against WM. I live in a town of 10,000 in a county of 34,000. We have one gun shop and one walmart and HUNDREDS of hunters. Plenty of business for both. Only thing that bothers me is that I am NOT a hunter, and that is what both focus on. Plus, the folks at our walmart are just as knowledgable about firearms as are the folks at Mom&Pop gunshop (small town labor pool, I suppose).

I used to live in Phoenix. I'd never buy guns at those walmarts. I bought a couple of rifle cases once at a more urban walmart in central Phoenix and the woman at the cash register looked at me like I was gonna go shoot up a high school or something (I checked out up front, not in the sporting goods department). In the cities, I ONLY buy at gun shops.

Bruce333
April 14, 2006, 02:42 PM
rather than start yet another thread on this subject...

There is an actual news story out today about gun sales at Wal-Mart...

http://www.wral.com/money/8698178/detail.html

(boldface added by me)

Wal-Mart Drops Guns Sales In Some Stores
Retailer Sells Rifles, Shotguns

POSTED: 1:06 pm EDT April 14, 2006
UPDATED: 2:09 pm EDT April 14, 2006

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has decided to stop selling guns in about a third of its U.S. stores in what it calls a marketing decision based on lack of demand in some places, a company spokeswoman said Friday.

The world's largest retailer decided last month to remove firearms from about 1,000 stores in favor of stocking other sporting goods, in line with a "Store of the Community" strategy for boosting sales by paying closer attention to local differences in demand.

"This decision is based on diminished customer relevancy and demand in these markets," said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Jolanda Stewart.

Stewart declined to specify what stores were affected.

Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Ark., has about 1,200 discount stores and 1,900 Supercenters, which include a full grocery section, in all 50 states. Wal-Mart says it sells rifles and shotguns. In Alaska, it also sells handguns.

"As with all merchandise decisions that we make, our decision to remove guns from Wal-Mart locations is simply based on the lack of customer purchase history of firearms in a given community," Stewart said.

Wal-Mart's experimental new Supercenter for more upscale shoppers, which opened last month in the affluent Dallas suburb of Plano, does not carry guns.

As Wal-Mart seeks growth by moving from rural America into cities and suburbs, it finds it needs to retune its inventory to appeal to more urban consumers.

The Plano store is a testing ground for ideas, from trendier products to more subdued interiors, that are part of a broad effort at Wal-Mart to rekindle sluggish growth by luring more affluent shoppers away from faster-growing rivals such as Target Corp.

Chief Executive Lee Scott has said that in communities like Plano, Wal-Mart's sports department should shift from a traditional emphasis on hunting and fishing to more home fitness and exercise products.
so maybe they should retune their inventory to include handguns and accesories for concealed carry? Wouldn't that be more appropriate to urban consumers?

Ironbarr
April 14, 2006, 06:43 PM
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060414-045721-9604r

mordechaianiliewicz
April 14, 2006, 08:09 PM
This is about competition. Look at Home Depot. If you wanted home stuff, you go to Home Depot or Wal-Mart?

Well, if you want gun stuff, Wal-Mart, or Cabelas?

What about Dick's Sporting Goods?

Both are far better as Sporting Goods items shops. And Cabelas to me has a true honest to goodness GUNSTORE. with Wal-Mart like ammo deals.

Ironbarr
April 14, 2006, 08:42 PM
Yeah, but...


How many stores... Walmart vs Cabelas?

What locations... uptown, downtown, burbs?

I read last week that Walmart is "expanding" here locally into more low income area - test project in marketing. We have three within 7 miles; no Cabelas in sight anywhere.

I don't know WM's new market drive, but business is in moving product for profit, so I suppose they think that hunt/fish in some areas aren't in vogue as they had been.

I hope that only the uber urban area are to be curtailed.

-AndyB

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cbsbyte
April 15, 2006, 05:23 PM
I found out yesterday from a friend who regularly shops at Wal-mart, and buys most of his ammo there, that the local store recently stop selling ammo, and gun supplies. They stop selling guns in January. This store is in an area with many hunters. I now believe this is a conscience effort on Wal-mart to plan on removing firearms and ammo nation wide even in areas where the merchandise sells well, so they don't have to worry about liablity lawsuits. It really sucks for many people who will curtail shooting, due to having to now buy all there ammo at local dealers with their highway robbery prices. And we in Mass are not able to buy ammo out of state and bring it into the state due to our gracious Attorney General regulations.

fiVe
April 15, 2006, 06:35 PM
"This decision is based on diminished customer relevancy and demand in these markets," said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Jolanda Stewart.


This statement does not apply us out on the end of the Florida Panhandle. We're not Florida--we are West Florida (aka Lower Alabama). I know it's their business, but they are creating a hole that the local gun shops and internet will love to fill.

dhoomonyou
April 16, 2006, 11:08 AM
First of all my LOCAL gun shop is owned by a greedy shark.

He prices guns at $100-150 OVER any decent price.
I would rather drive 50 miles or wait for a show than pay him.

same greed on ammo.

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