Gun-control senators cheer Bush


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rick_reno
April 22, 2003, 09:47 AM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32170

Gun-control senators cheer Bush
Feinstein, Schumer welcome president's stance on firearm ban

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Posted: April 22, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A pair of U.S. senators noted for their avid support of gun control are praising President Bush for his backing of the continuation of a weapons ban the lawmakers pushed through Congress 10 years ago.

"[Sens.] Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., welcomed the announcement that President George W. Bush supports the reauthorization of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, which is set to expire in 2004," says an April 16 statement published on the California Democrat's website.

In a letter to Bush, the senators said, "As the original authors of the assault-weapons ban in the Senate and the House, we strongly believe that military-style assault weapons have no place on America's streets and should be banned.

"In 1994, we fought hard to win passage of the original ban, and shortly after Congress returns from the spring recess we plan to introduce legislation that would reauthorize it," the letter continued.

Feinstein and Schumer were responding to comments attributed to Bush by White House spokesman Scott McClellan. WorldNetDaily reported that McClellan, in responding April 13 to a question posed by Knight Ridder newspaper, said the president "supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

To win more converts, ban supporters inserted a 10-year sunset provision into the original 1994 legislation. That means the law is set to expire in September 2004, just weeks before the general election. But Feinstein and Schumer said they planned to introduce new legislation to "reauthorize the ban" – probably for good, critics believe.

According to Feinstein's statement, the new bill would "reauthorize the prohibition on manufacture, transfer and possession military-style assault weapons, while protecting hunting rifles and other firearms" and "close the clip-importation loophole, which prohibits the sale of domestically produced high-capacity ammunition magazines, but allows foreign companies to continue to bring them into the country by the millions." The senators said Bush indicated his support for closing that loophole during the 2000 presidential election.

At the same time, the new bill would "preserve the right of police officers and other law-enforcement officials to use and obtain newly manufactured semi-automatic assault weapons."

"We welcome your support and look forward to working with you to gain swift passage of this legislation," the senators said. "With your assistance, we will be able to pass legislation to continue the ban and help make America's streets safer."

Gun rights advocates are confused by Bush's stance.

"Why would George Bush want to help Democrats?" said Larry Pratt, executive director of the 300,000-member Gun Owners of America, based in Springfield, Va. "The issue, when it was opposed by most Republicans, cost Democrats the House in 1994 and the White House in 2000."

He also sees a domestic-security issue that is at stake. "Banning the homeland-security rifle is pure Washington, but anti-Constitution and anti-homeland security," Pratt said.

The White House repeatedly failed to respond to questions from WorldNetDaily over whether Bush would sign the Schumer-Feinstein bill should it make it to his desk.

But some lawmakers say gun owners should not have been surprised by the president's comments.

"President Bush already stated his support for the ban during the 2000 campaign. The irony is that he did so even as the Democratic Party was abandoning gun control as a losing issue," said Rep. Ron Paul, in his weekly column posted online April 16.

Nevertheless, Paul wrote, Bush's stance could cost him dearly next year. "Given [the] trend in the American electorate away from support for gun control, the administration's position may well cost votes in 2004," he said.

Paul, a staunch gun-rights supporter, said the administration's position on so-called "assault weapons" while claiming it is gun-rights oriented is hypocritical.

In making his point, Paul quoted Georgetown University professor Robert Levy, who recently offered this comparison: "Suppose the Second Amendment said, 'A well-educated electorate being necessary for self-governance in a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.' Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?"

"Tortured interpretations of the Second Amendment cannot change the fact that both the letter of the amendment itself and the legislative history conclusively show that the Founders intended ordinary citizens to be armed," said Paul.

Meanwhile, in other parts of the country, gun-rights activists are working to overturn similar gun bans.

In Connecticut, gun owners and gun dealers filed suit last week in state Superior Court in a bid to have the state's 1993 "assault weapons" ban overturned, the Connecticut Post reported.

Plaintiffs, the paper said, claim the state's Department of Public Safety can't administer the law in a uniform manner. The suit says two separate buyers purchased the same rifle, but when they attempted to register them on successive days, one buyer was allowed to keep his while the other's was seized.

The paper reported that Ralph D. Sherman, a West Hartford lawyer, said last week that the suit is asking the court to void the regulations while ordering DPS Commissioner Arthur L. Spada to neither enforce them nor arrest anyone for possessing weapons previously deemed illegal.

Also, the suit seeks termination of any DPS databases tied to the gun ban.

"They are phony regulations," Sherman – chairman of Gunsafe, a group of state firearms owners – said. "The Department of Public Safety has changed its mind several times on what these regulations are supposed to be. It's a major challenge to an administrative agency that's not following correct procedure."

In February, legal scholars from The Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based libertarian think tank, filed suit against the nation's capital, charging its gun-control restrictions were unconstitutional.

Robert A. Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies, and Gene Healy, senior editor, joined by two other D.C.-based attorneys, argued in their complaint that "the Second Amendment guarantees individuals a fundamental right to possess a functional, personal firearm, such as a handgun ... within the home."

However, they charged, officials in D.C. "enforce a set of laws [that] deprive individuals, including the plaintiffs, of this important right."

Other pundits decry what they see as gun-control laws that stretch the boundaries of reason.

Dave Kopel, research director for the Independence Institute, has criticized the city of Denver's efforts to criminalize squirt guns. And in January, New York City officials sought to toughen existing bans on toy guns, because, they say, toy guns are often used by criminals and have become a threat to police.

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foghornl
April 22, 2003, 09:54 AM
"[Sens.] Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.,
If these 2 are for it, then that should tell President Bush all he needs to know about the Assault Weapons Ban...

BAD IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME TO SUNSET.


Anything that those 2 Senate Clowns are for is usually VERY BAD for the USA.

Leatherneck
April 22, 2003, 10:26 AM
McClellan, in responding April 13 to a question posed by Knight Ridder newspaper, said the president "supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."
Isn't that new? I thought McClellan previously was careful to say only that the President supported the current law, and was silent on re-implementation. :confused:

TC
TFL Survivor

IF the Prez supports re-authorization, I've got $100 going to GOA ASAP.

Chris Rhines
April 22, 2003, 11:19 AM
Looks like Bush is picking his allies.

Time for us to do the same.

- Chris

OF
April 22, 2003, 11:23 AM
It doesn't make any sense.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

I have to believe it's politics. No way GW would pander to Schumer. Right?

- Gabe

Selfdfenz
April 22, 2003, 11:51 AM
A pal and I were discussing this at lunch yesterday.
I seem to remember that it was the passage of the original version 1.0 of this thing that caused a sea change in Congress.... and one that drowned many gun grabbing Dems.

You would have thought the Reps would have more common sense than to:
A. line up in favor of this the way BII is doing and
B. make public statments that are directly in aid of the Dem opposition Fein+Schum

I'm just scared BII has the "read my lips...." illness that BI had and got toasted for it.

Let's all pray the peps in Congress never send this to Bush and he learns to be quiet on the subject.

If he thinks he can support and sign a new assault weapons bill and not loose some of his RKBA base he's crazy. He'll be a one term wonder just like Dad. And there will be the negative coat tail effect of conservative votes staying home and not voting in close state elections.

There are two other issues BII has not produced on that I was counting on. Was was a tax cut (he' waivering) and the other I won't start an argument over but I don't see any progress on that one either.
Plus, he has helped make Homeland Security a scary reality and scarier still if the Dems ever get both Houses and the Exec Office.

S-

Waitone
April 22, 2003, 12:23 PM
I have to believe it's politics. No way GW would pander to Schumer. Right? I will remind you Bush wanted to do something new and innovative with the department of education when he got to Washington. He proceeds to give everything Ted Kennedy everything he wants in an education bill. Bush then signs the bill that does not remotely resemble his campaign promises.

Bush also made an explicit list of requirements to be met by congress or he would veto any campaign finance control bill reaching his desk. Congress passed a bill that contained not one provision he demanded. He promptly signed the bill, effectively punting to the supreme court the job of protecting and defending the constitution. Moral and political cowardice of the first order.

Yea, as long as he is in the 'compassionate conservative" mode he will kiss up to any democrat in power on the other side of the aisle.

I am somewhat comfortable with Bush in terms of foreign policy.

I get a class A, gold plated pucker factor on domestic policy. And I refer to a lot more than just gun rights. I seriously question if the guy has a political core other an the acquisition of power. Seems we had another president who had the same problem.

Nonetheless, I'll judge Bush on what he does, not what he says.

MPFreeman
April 22, 2003, 01:59 PM
Bush or any of my congress critters vote for this ban, I vote solid libertarian forever.

El Tejon
April 22, 2003, 02:05 PM
Matt, don't tell us, tell them! Better yet, tell the RNC.:)

kidao35
April 22, 2003, 03:29 PM
A pair of U.S. senators noted for their avid support of gun control are praising President Bush for his backing of the continuation of a weapons ban the lawmakers pushed through Congress 10 years ago.

Dear Pres. Bush;

Better look around and see the kind of bedfellows your administration is attracting!:what:

jimpeel
April 22, 2003, 03:31 PM
And in January, New York City officials sought to toughen existing bans on toy guns, because, they say, toy guns are often used by criminals and have become a threat to police."Oh, please, please Mr. bad guy! Please don't shoot me with that squirt gun! I have a wife and children!"

[splat]

"Arghh! I'm melting! I'm melting! You wicked person!"

gun-fucious
April 22, 2003, 04:30 PM
he has only promised to sign it, if it hits his desk

Its our job to make sure it does not hit his desk.

Hutch
April 22, 2003, 04:33 PM
MPFreeman has spoken for me. This would be the last straw. Sure to Goodness Dubya can't be that tone deaf.

Ian
April 22, 2003, 04:49 PM
Golly, Bush might be a typical power-grubbing, rights-trashing politician? I never would have guessed.

Don Gwinn
April 22, 2003, 04:53 PM
I hope it can be stopped in Congress. That doesn't mean I can't be mad at him for snaking us, though.

On the other hand, I continue to find myself shocked at the number of people who are surprised by all this. He told us three years ago that when the time came he would support reauthorization. He didn't mince words about it. He also said he would support legislation to ban the importation of full-cap pre-ban magazines.

If you go to http://www.gunowners.org (the GOA website) they have a section where you can look up your representatives and send them messages all from their website. There's practically no work involved. Letters and faxes would be better, but it's more than nothing.

rock jock
April 22, 2003, 05:00 PM
Yup, me too. As much as I find the Libertarian Party distasteful, they will get my vote if Bush turns traitor.

Standing Wolf
April 22, 2003, 05:41 PM
The Republican party keeps sending me pitches for donations. I keep pitching them in the waste basket and sending my political contributions to the N.R.A. and G.O.A.

TreeSquid
April 22, 2003, 08:21 PM
When Bush got "elected", I was pissed. When he announced a cabinet of religious zealots and racists, I was more pissed. More angered still was I when I watched his decisions on policy both at home and abroad. I have long maintained that the only good thing for America that the man is even the slightest bit likely to do is give us back some of our constitutionally-mandated gun rights, and he's just as anti as anyone, it seems. The man is earning himself a very special place in hell.

*hides from the impending onslaught of flames*

Bainx
April 22, 2003, 08:36 PM
I'm just waiting to see how the NRA handles this Bush-Anti Gun thing. If they don't crucify him, and they should, I will pitch their stuff into the trashcan.

It's time to call a spade, a spade

HBK
April 22, 2003, 11:07 PM
I don't think, and I sincerely hope I'm right, that Bush will support this. It would be political suicide.

ahadams
April 22, 2003, 11:23 PM
I think the president has done something quite wise actually (and put down that rock until I explain!:what: )

Here's the deal as seen by somebody who used to live inside the beltway: by allowing one of the assistant press guys at the Whitehouse to float this idea that the Prez would be supportive of a renewal of the ugly guns and big magazines ban, what *one* group of politically active folks have been guaranteed to gear up to make sure it doesn't happen? no not the commie mommies or the brady bunch - they don't have the attention span - the group that is now highly motivated is US the gun rights types. Is there anyone here who has not let his or her congresscritters know exactly what they think of the ban and the idea that it should sunset as intended? If so then SHAME ON YOU. Also if you think because you've only done it once that's all that's needed, then SHAME ON YOU TOO!

We have the people, we have the votes, and our reps and senators know it. Keep reminding them - ALL THE TIME straight through until the thing sunsets. 04 is an election year, and for those senators who have that one off, well if they don't know by now that we have long memories - then make sure they are made aware of THAT as well. If we do our jobs, the ban will sunset, and the Prez will be able to concentrate on other stuff while the antigun idiots selfdestruct.

Or were some of y'all thinking that once you elected somebody to Washington, your job was done?:scrutiny:

rock jock
April 23, 2003, 12:02 AM
The man is earning himself a very special place in hell.
Now that sounds like a statement from a religious zealot if I've ever heard one.

JitsuGuy
April 23, 2003, 12:16 AM
Simply put, Bush is a trojan horse.


Jits

Russ
April 23, 2003, 06:11 PM
If you can't write a protest letter, go to GOA's website and they have a ready made one for you to GWB ready for your signature. You can print and send snail mail or e mail it. Then you need to hammer the House with letters. If this POS never gets to Bush, he can't sign it.

Lone_Gunman
April 23, 2003, 06:31 PM
Bush is not a traitor on this issue.

He has always said that he would sign the AWB back into law if a new bill was sent to him.

He has always said this.

There should be no confusion about it.

If you voted for him in 2000, you should have known this at the time.


So he is just once again restating his position.

Satellite
April 23, 2003, 07:04 PM
People who understand and value freedom obviously can't vote for the socialists who dominate the Democrat party,.... on the other hand, a huge number who vote GOP do so only to express the need to choose the lesser of two evils. For quite a while now, adherance to and support for the second amendment has been the sole redeeming feature of the Republicans. If Bush throws that away, it'll never be back as long as either the Democrats OR the GOP hold the White House.

If you value your second amendment rights, you have no choice anymore. Voting third party is the ONLY way to keep them. There are a few aspects of the Libertarian Party which need to be modified, but they're EXTREMELY pro 2nd Amendment.

If Bush dumps on us, The Libertarians will get my vote from now on.

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004!!

SodaPop
April 23, 2003, 07:37 PM
I expect to see Bush separate himself from Ashcroft when the bill comes up. I don't see Ashcroft signing it. Bush is playing politics. If it doesn't get past Ashcroft, Bush, doesn't have a say.

Justin Moore
April 23, 2003, 10:23 PM
There should be little suprise that Schumer, Feinstein, and The Shrub are all on the same side of this issue, since they are ALL statists. Plain and simple.

Look at the 'conservative' 'farm bill' too ;)

Entrusting the Shrub to protect our 2nd Rights is like entrusting Jeffery Dahmer to investigate canabalism in Borneo.

Monkeyleg
April 23, 2003, 10:40 PM
Lots of politically astute observers here.

Blain
April 23, 2003, 10:47 PM
Must I remind you that the Republicans are the right arm of the NWO and the Democrats are the Left arm? They are both attached to the same body, both have the same goal. Bush and congress are only doing what their Illuminati masters instruct them to do. They need to get the NWO in full swing by this year. 2003 you will see a lot of changes...for the worst. There is going to be a day of reckoning, which side will you be on? Who's side will you be on? Better decide now because that time draws near. Don't worry....the WORST is yet to come.

Monkeyleg
April 23, 2003, 11:04 PM
Did I say "politically astute?" I'm sorry, I should have said "obtuse."

TexasVet
April 23, 2003, 11:45 PM
Jeez, ANOTHER letter to write to the White House! That's the second this week. I'm gonna get on another LIST!

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