the truth about the sw sigma


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ace
April 14, 2006, 08:38 PM
Is it me or does noone like the sw sigma 40.Ibought one from brother in law not knowing it had a 8 pound trigger pull i couldnt hit a thing with that.Any suggestions what i should trade it in for and what there really worth.

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ace
April 14, 2006, 08:38 PM
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10-Ring
April 14, 2006, 08:50 PM
Last I saw a sale on those things they were in the $350 range new, so I'd think $200-ish used. I was never a fan of those pistols...poor copy of a Glock IMO

Maybe you can get your sister into pressuring that good for nothing bro-in-law into giving you back your $$ :evil:

ugaarguy
April 14, 2006, 09:40 PM
Sportsmans in Boise had new 9mm 9VE models for $280 new at least as recently as Feb. Keep the Sigma as a beater truck gun, the 8lb trigger can be overcome.

denfoote
April 14, 2006, 10:01 PM
Yeah, I know it has a trigger just a little bit better than my PPK/S, but my vintage SW40F goes bang every time I ask it to, and puts jacketed lead where I want it to!! ;)

http://usera.imagecave.com/denfoote/SW40F.jpg


I prefer it to my Glock 23!!! :what: :evil:


And that's the truth!! :scrutiny:

JERRY
April 14, 2006, 10:40 PM
i had a sigma 40v in s.s back in '98. it was a good shooting gun.....i would take one of the older ones now over the supposed problematic new ones.....

Soybomb
April 14, 2006, 10:42 PM
I hear very little negative about the sigma other than the trigger...which nearly everyone seems to hate.

The only thing i've heard to help is to go to http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/SmithWessonNF.html and buy part 30085 which is a 3.5lb striker spring to replace the factory 4.75lb spring. Its supposed to help a small amount, but some people find it ruins their ignition reliability. Doesn't seem like theres alot more to help past that.

bpisler
April 14, 2006, 11:04 PM
I've had zero problems with either one
of the 9VE's i've owned.4,000 rounds
thru the first one and now up to 1,000
thru my new one.I've that with a little
lube in the right places the trigger is
not bad and gets better with time.

mrapathy2000
April 15, 2006, 02:06 AM
the recent contract was the third the previous ones sent some 50,000 to afganistan.

hit the smith-wessonforum.com lookup post by sharpstick for trigger mods. they may not suffer the light strike problems.

my 40ve has gone bang everytime I have wanted it to. if I ever have a problem I feal confident S&W will fix it. I dont see glock mailing out shipping labels to everyone that needs service. Glock has produced some poor copies themselves some had tabs that would snap off from normal use. cant say I have heard of S&W Sigma's doing that. not that S&W has not had issues glock has had its own issues despite the delite of the glockade drinkers.
only delusions are perfect reality has chaos. anything mechanical can fail.

355sigfan
April 15, 2006, 02:23 AM
My experiences with the Sigma are from a former roomate. He had a 40 caliber model one of the first made. The trigger sucks it varied between 8 and 11 pounds. IT was never the same twice. Reliability was not great. Accuracy was only acceptable (4 to 5 inch range at 25 yards.) I am not a fan. The grip is well shaped but the trigger issues and poor reliability make this gun a don't buy for me.
Pat

possum
April 15, 2006, 02:46 AM
my dad had one at one time and it was the first experience i had witha polymer frame pistol, and i shot it alot. the trigger was something to get used to and quite heavy, it was alright, defenitly not my favorite or even close but it will do the job. i was reading a recent gun magazine at the store, don't remember which one off the top of my head but they were reviewing the new wave of them, and they were praysing them a great deal, especially the 9mm, the .40 a little but he had some very impressive groups with the 9mm and had great accuracy out of it, he still made the coment of a better trigger but was still well pleased with it. i would personally trade it in on something that would be a step up and something that you shoot better with. if you can't hit with it it is kinda worthless, to you but maybe to someone else that is just what they need.

duncan
April 15, 2006, 03:13 AM
Sorry but even if SW fixed it - no one would trust it.

Had one and dumped it after many problem - a second gen one in 40 cal too.

Get a Glock, Sig, HK, Beretta, Springfield XD or even a Taurus.

Tomcat1066
April 15, 2006, 06:46 AM
A good friend of mine has a 9mm and .40 Sigma and he LOVES his. His .40 is the most accurate pistol he owns. He bought it used, so it's possible it has had something done to the trigger, because it's NOT as hard a pull as the 9mm one. I've dryfired both and there is definately a lighter pull on the .40, so that may account for it.

I can't stand the pull on the 9mm, and that feels like an 8 lbs pull to me, so based on MY experience, I have to agree. Personally, I think there's no such thing as a pistol that everyone will agree on ;)

Tom

Clean97GTI
April 15, 2006, 07:13 AM
My FN Forty-Nine has a heavier pull than 8 lbs and I have no trouble with accuracy. I've got to take my time, but its most certainly better than combat accurate.

Hkmp5sd
April 15, 2006, 07:27 AM
I have a .40 Sigma and it is both reliable and accurate. If you buy one expecting it to function like a Glock, then you will be disappointed. It is what it is.

SmithShooter
April 15, 2006, 11:20 AM
My wife and I each have a Sigma 9VE that are over three years old. They are carried on a daily basis, fired at least once a week, and both probably have well over 3000 rounds a piece fired through them. Neither gun has ever had a failure of any kind. The trigger is no worse than a double action revolver, and as far as accuracy is concerned, my wife constantly has groups less than 2 inches at 20 yards....usually just makes a big hole where the X ring used to be. The Sigma replaced her Glock 17 that constantly had Stovepipe jams and was totally unreliable for her. Just my 2 cent opinion.

plateshooter
April 15, 2006, 01:11 PM
I love my 9GVE. 25 yard plates are no problem for it. Very reliable. I like shooting double action revolvers, and I see no difference in the triggers.

duncan
April 15, 2006, 01:49 PM
Folks:

That gun has been slammed more than a rim by Michael Jordan.

Maybe some people have some good ones but it's like a 95 Ford Windstar - bad designs, poor execution and many returns.

Search The Firing Line for the history on it. A PNW defense contractor with a huge 300+ security force returned every one of their Sigma's a couple years ago. Never heard of that happening to any other gun.

Beretta had a major slide fix recall years ago for LAPD. But that's about it for major amounts of guns being duds.

For just a little more $$$$, you could do better with a
used Springfield XD.

Friends don't let friends carry unreliable guns. I have 110% faith in all of CCW guns or they go range only - not in a holster.

Can't say that about the old or even the newer Sigma's - my local gunsmiths still refuse to work on them and several shop will order only one Sigma and keep in the back so their SW rep will sell them the rest of the nice SW guns like their revolvers or custom shop stuff;)

610
625
629
yes

Stygma - no

SmithShooter
April 15, 2006, 02:06 PM
No doubt the Sigma has been responsible for more controversy than any other firearm. The earlier ones did have problems, hence the bad reputation. The ergonomics of the Sigma is better than the Glock, in my opinion, and other than that they are almost identical in mechanics. Most people who bad mouth the Sigma have never even shot one and just repeat stories they heard from someone else. I have owned three Glocks and traded off every one of them. Besides, in this day and age I would rather buy an American made product. Here is a link for the Sigma parts layout...
http://www.again.net/~steve/ipb-sandw-sigma.html

Here is a link for the Glock parts layout for comparison:
http://www.topglock.com/info/partgraphic.htm

duncan
April 15, 2006, 02:13 PM
I agree with you SmithShooter. My old Sigma 40cal fit my hand like a glove. But I jammed on WAY too many rounds - FTE, FTF, stovepiping on various lengths of factory ammo.

So she had to go. My Glocks and Kahrs don't fit my hand nearly as well - but go boom every time. Or maybe one FTF in 3-4,000 rounds - usually the round exceeded the OAL length as was a bad one.

shortydog
April 15, 2006, 02:21 PM
Search The Firing Line for the history on it. A PNW defense contractor with a huge 300+ security force returned every one of their Sigma's a couple years ago. Never heard of that happening to any other gun.


might want to try researching that last comment.glock is notorious for their
" product upgrades ".the NYPD recalled over 24,000 model 19s back in 02.

possum
April 15, 2006, 04:16 PM
casingpoint,
i like it alot, alot, it is a little bigger in my hands than what i am used to but it points so natural and, shoots awesome as well. the three dot sights are my favorite so that makes things that much better. i shot 200rds winchester, blazer brass, and american eagle, through it last weekend and i was very impressed, being such a bad shot it did really good, i did several drills and was pleased and impressed all day, i just wish i would have taken more ammo. i even shot it out to 25 meters which i normally don't do with a handgun. the groups at 25 meters were no where near great but they would have droped a bad guy. my first order of business next time i am on leave back home is to get the trigger slicked up a little and that thing will be to hard to handle!:) i shot only a few rds in DA and need to practice some more, it is quite heavy. i am most pleased with the fact that my laserlyte quick ditach laser will fit on the rail. i gotta play with that sometime soon.

1911user
April 15, 2006, 10:10 PM
No doubt the Sigma has been responsible for more controversy than any other firearm. The earlier ones did have problems, hence the bad reputation. The ergonomics of the Sigma is better than the Glock, in my opinion, and other than that they are almost identical in mechanics. Most people who bad mouth the Sigma have never even shot one and just repeat stories they heard from someone else. I have owned three Glocks and traded off every one of them. Besides, in this day and age I would rather buy an American made product. Here is a link for the Sigma parts layout...
http://www.again.net/~steve/ipb-sandw-sigma.html

Here is a link for the Glock parts layout for comparison:
http://www.topglock.com/info/partgraphic.htm

I bought a new sw9ve (new generation sigma in 9mm) and tried to like it, wanted to like it, but the lousy trigger pull ultimately won. I accepted defeat and sold it. I dry fired it many, many times and the trigger pull never became acceptable or predictable. I happily sold my sigma for what I paid then happily spent more for a glock 19. I didn't have concerns about sigma feed/fire reliability, but if you can't hit with it (especially rapid fire at smaller targets beyond 10 yards) then who cares if it goes bang everytime? :fire:

Glocks can be reliable with a decently light trigger pull and sigmas can't without major spring surgery and then reliable becomes questionable. To S&Ws credit, the new M&P auto is much improved in the trigger department. I never owned a glock nor planned to own a glock until a sigma drove me to it. I might have bought an XD9, but springfield won't sell spare parts so another lost sale.

SmithShooter
April 16, 2006, 01:42 AM
38488

Here is a photo of my 9 year old grandson shooting my SW9VE. He shot 100 rounds and never missed the target at 15 yards. He didn't complain once about the trigger pull.....Click on the photo for enlargement

355sigfan
April 16, 2006, 03:31 AM
Smith first off you need to teach him not to cross his support hand thumb over behind the slide. Enforce good habits when their young. This is a good way to get the thumb bit badly. Second hitting a ISPC target at 15 yards is not hard to do even for 100 rounds.
Pat

JERRY
April 16, 2006, 09:39 AM
for a 9 year old hes a good shot considering.........but i too will parrot the crossed thumb hold is bad.

SmithShooter
April 16, 2006, 10:46 AM
355SigFan...appreciate your comments. The photo was taken while he was shooting his first magazine out of the pistol, and it was one of about five photos taken at that time. After he finished we sat down and reviewed the photos together and that was the first thing I pointed out to him. Using a camera during shooting is a useful tool. At the end of the day he was loading the magazine...could only manage five rounds, racking the slide, and had 3-4 inch groups at 10 yards. Made for a proud Grandpa.

355sigfan
April 16, 2006, 03:11 PM
Glad to see your starting him off early. Perhaps you a 22 pistol could be under the christmas tree for him.
Pat

SmithShooter
April 16, 2006, 03:28 PM
Last Christmas I gave him a Henry .22, Lever Action Youth model. For his birthday last month I gave him a NRA membership. This has been quite an accomplishment because his parents (my daughter) have been more or less anti-gun and NRA. He has since enrolled in a firearms safety course with his dad and has begun shooting through a 4-H program in Colorado. And to top it all off, my daughter has begun shooting as well.

355sigfan
April 16, 2006, 03:59 PM
Thats awsome. GLad to see you passing it on.
Pat

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