Camp Perry Remington Rand


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1911Legacy
April 15, 2006, 12:41 AM
Hello,
I am new to this board, the reason for joining is to hopefully find out some information on a very valuable (from a family point of view) pistol. My grandfather was a Colonel in the United States Army Air Corps from the early 1930s to 1961. Before WWII broke out he was a member of the Army Pistol team. After the war and before Korea, my grandmother has told me that he infact won Camp Perry twice. I now own the 1911 that he carried in two wars and a "police action" as a civilian advisor from 1962-1963. The pistol started life as a Remington Rand. But my grandmother says the after WWII he sent the pistol to Colt to have it accurizied as she called it. The sights are diffinetly different then production as is the barrel and the trigger is by far on of the best I have ever felt then or now. My question to anyone that might be able to help is what and who possibly perfomed the modifications to the pistol. And if anyone has any knowledge on the exact years he competed at Camp Perry, we have the pictures but are unable to fully know the date. I have included a few pictures of the Rand, and one of a interesting Colt officers model in 38 that he took of a fairly well know General (that will remain nameless) in a friendly poker game around 1950. Thanks to all and you have a wonderful website.

Thanks

and sorry for the sloppy pics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/GasserKid/100_0499.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/GasserKid/100_0500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/GasserKid/100_0504.jpg

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Langenator
April 15, 2006, 01:28 AM
Well, I'm sure the folks at Camp Perry keep historical records, especially if he won.

You might start by asking them when he competed.

Not sure what kind of records the folks at Colt keep on custom shop pistols, or how long the ATF might require that records of guns given to them for 'smithing be kept. I'm reasonably sure gunsmiths have to keep a log of guns in/out of their shop. If you know when he sent it in, Colt might have the records of who worked on it.

Catshooter
April 15, 2006, 01:41 AM
Nice lookin' Rand, and a very nice piece of family history.

Why does the general have to remain nameless? Playing cards isn't (wasn't) illeagal.

Welcome to the board, by the by.


Cat

rangerruck
April 15, 2006, 02:23 AM
go over to the firearms forum, there is a column there called what's it worth. that guy is pretty darn good. the camp Perry callup is a good suggestion as well. Lastly the atf may be able to direct you in the right direction.

Baba Louie
April 15, 2006, 07:48 AM
Go to the horses mouth and see if they have records archived from the past...
http://www.odcmp.org/0406/default.asp
What a lasting legacy you were given. Why doncha emulate your grandpa and compete with both of those old warhorses... just to put a smile on his face in Valhalla?
ODCM(P) Forums might be another place to find answers...
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/
Finally... click on this link for a list of recent winners, but try and follow each of the links on the left-hand column (some go back to 1907 or so) and look at the legacy our recent forefathers, who were world-class shooters, have left us. It appears that our nation, as we all know, has a history of excellance in the field of marksmanship...
http://www.odcmp.com/services/national_matches/nmtrophies/PT_us_army_forces_command.htm

OK, now finally, I found a Time-Life link (which one must pay a couple of buck to read... I didn't) that begins with...
Monday, Sep. 21, 1931
Women, soldiers, an Indian chief and a clergyman, children, sailors, cowboys, a chemist, a Japanese, a Chinese, an Hawaiian—all these lay in a 5-mi. firing line at Camp Perry (Ohio) last week. They were shooting, for the most part in rain and mud, in the 58th annual National Rifle & Pistol Matches. The three-week Camp Perry shoot is the biggest in the world, dwarfing England's Bisley. This year 3,000 competitors broke all previous Camp Perry records in attendance. There are 100 contests shot at Perry, where the nation's best riflemen and riflewomen display each year the sort of...


Is this a great country or what?

1911Legacy... welcome to the board. Great inaugural post.

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