Guns are bad. Especially 1" long plastic ones.


April 17, 2006, 01:55 AM
i was readiing this on the net :what:

Three young boys (3rd grade) were suspended for bringing toy guns in to school. The forbidden items were the little plastic accessories for GI Joe action figures.

But the school district is standing by its zero-tolerance policy on weapons, which doesn't specify size or type, school officials said.
That's the nature of the beast though. A pencil is the same as a switchblade knife. Oh, wait. Pencils are allowed, aren't they?

"Our children are in control of sharpened pencils every day, and that seems to me more of a threat than those toys," Wilson-Spence [mother of one of the suspended boys] said.
But school officials don't think so.

[Bemiss Principal Lorna] Spear said the three boys were making threatening actions while playing with the toys. That made other students feel unsafe, she said.

Threatening actions. With a miniature plastic GI Joe accessory. Take the cap off of a Bic pen. Look at it. Imagine it was a fraction of its size. Try to make it look threatening. Go up to your coworkers and see if you can make them feel unsafe with it.

This week is assessment testing at the school. Wilson-Spence said she worries her son is missing valuable class time.
She is also worried that what was intended as innocent play will follow her son through his school career and beyond.

"He's just too young to have something like that on his record," she said. "The paperwork just said that he brought toy guns to school, and that could mean anything."

Sorry, ma'am. The rules are not there to promote children learning. They are there to keep order at any cost. No matter how ridiculous they are. Besides, this has been going on for a while, you should have known about the GI Joe gun problem long ago.

The Seattle School District suspended a 10-year-old boy in 1997 for bringing a replica of an Army-issue handgun to school. That inch-long plastic gun also belonged to G.I. Joe, an action figure that's been a favorite of boys since 1964.

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April 17, 2006, 02:09 AM
thats some stupid stuff but i think ill try the pencil thing.:evil:
try to make them feel unsafe:uhoh:


April 17, 2006, 02:24 AM

I personally watched while 6 TSA agents surrounded a poor grandmother in late December at the airport in Anchorage, AK. Their purpose? Seizure of a miniature m4 wielded by a prone GI Joe in desert camoflage. Apparently, the toy troop had been assigned to act as her grandson's Christmas present. The TSA agents ruled (as a group) that Joe was safe to fly only after penetrating his packaging and relieving him of his weapon.

The lady in question made it plain that she thought the TSA officials were nuts.

Give it another 20 years and todays 3rd graders will think it's pretty much normal operating procedure.

Now I'm depressed.

April 17, 2006, 02:33 AM
On the up side though, we're looking for a 1st grade school for our boy. I visited the local catholic school (k-12) and noted (with approval) that the 6th graders had done dioramas of famous battles in US history (bunker hill, iwo, etc)....complete with miniature soldiers in various, um agressive, poses. Yes, they were all armed, some with tanks and artillery! Strangely enough, I didn't notice any piles of victimized children lying around the dioramas, perhaps they were under the tables and I didn't see them.

Anyhoo, I got to decide whether my kid learns creationism or politically correct victimism. Choices choices...

April 17, 2006, 03:15 AM
some gi joe toys, a ton of them sent to the school.

April 17, 2006, 06:46 AM

April 17, 2006, 06:49 AM
This is sooooo over the top, that I couldn't imagine it being anything but an urban legend?! If it's, are we heading (more like running full speed) in the wrong direction!

So by the same reasoning...a kid could draw a picture of the gun and then point the paper to another kid and go "bang" and that would be just as threatening?!

April 17, 2006, 08:47 AM
Indocturnation has begun.

See link:

April 17, 2006, 09:19 AM
I remember not too long ago, a kid was suspended from school for pointing a "chicken finger" a another child and saying "Bang, Bang". The insanity continues.

April 17, 2006, 09:23 AM
hey don't you guys read the choking hazard warnings? One little gun like that could take out the whole class :neener:

April 17, 2006, 09:44 AM
The problem with the whle "mandatory" rule systems, like these cases demonstrate so well, is that when you take away the discretion of the school officials to use common sense, you set yourself up for these situations. Of course, my father was a school principal with common sense. Come to think of it, that ended up costing him his job...

April 17, 2006, 09:49 AM
The lady in question made it plain that she thought the TSA officials were nuts. Or maybe one of them simply saw something in her package that HIS son would like?

April 17, 2006, 10:10 AM
[Bemiss Principal Lorna] Spear said the three boys were making threatening actions while playing with the toys. That made other students feel unsafe, she said.
Any child that feels "unsafe" when "threatened" with a 1" GI Joe "weapon" needs a serious reality check.

April 17, 2006, 10:23 AM
TennTucker wrote:
Indocturnation has begun.

Acutally, Indoctrination began long ago.


Frankly, this type of news sickens, disgusts and continues to concern me.

When I was growing up , parents "parented" kids, other Adults " mentored" kids, be these other adults be other family, neighbors, teachers, the grocer, the druggist, ...etc.

We kids learned gun safety, knife safety, and not to play with matches. We played Cowboy & Indians, Army, and other games not only at home,our neighborhoods, parks, on the school grounds as well.

Teachers may assist us in sharpening a stick, pierce a piece of notebook paper for a flag, and we used for our schoolyard play acting. We knew the difference in real guns and pointing fingers and going "bang, bang".

Then again we had amputees , Vets all around us to remind us of the harsh realities of real guns, real knives, real injuries too.


Get involved with kids, kids are our future.

Don't have kids? Neither do I.

I still attend meetings, vote , and best can pay attention to what kids are reading in school, what teachers recommend for reading lists, what is being passed down to kids.

I have heard kids say "guns are bad", "hunting is bad" , "hot dogs are bad because they are meat". I have heard parents say they caught the kids throwing away army men toys, and the new package of hot dogs in the trash.

Get involved, listen to kids, even if you do not have kids. Have special kids days at your clubs, ranges, private property.

Bring the lemonade, flip the burgers, open a bag of chips if you cannot do anything else. Just do something to let kids know guns are not bad, the people that use these for clay games, other disciplines, hunting - are NOT bad people.

The Old Man and the Boy - Robert Ruark.
My favorite, there are others.

Get a kid this book, read it to them, let them learn to read , reading this book. Many life lessons, instruct the kids in the right things, that are true and matter.

When that kid has had a bad day, this brings peace and comfort. When the child is blasted with MSM lies, "approved reading" at school, mis-information from teachers. This book, can be a Oasis for them.

Kids remember, we may not think so at times, kids do. When they get older and time to make decisions about guns, personal responsibilty, how to raise their kids, or when around other's kids...

I still read that book at my age. I am thinking of kid, now grown, that CCWs, and instead of watching TV and playing games, is involved in RKBA.

This kid had had a bad week at school, it happens. Teacher was against guns, hunting and everything. I was with the kid, his dad, on the property with guns heading down to plink.

"Wait, wait, we are supposed to unload the guns, make safe to cross the fence. That book said we are supposed to".

We could have walked 20 or so steps to the gate - instead we unloaded guns, and crossed the fence as "that book said".

Bad week, teacher instead of teaching - was indoctrinating - kid still confused on math , goofed his vocabulary stuff. Kid remembered "The Old Man and the Boy". After plinking, Dad got the math and mom the vocabulary straightened out.

Beats the hell out out finding the new pack of hot dogs the kid really liked two days before in the trash. Beats finding your guns safe with magic marker "guns are bad" scrawled on the door.

All we adults, parents or not, can do is the best WE can for a kid. WE hope they turn out 'all right' , my belief it is OUR resposibility to instruct best can and not leave it to Government Meddlin', MSM, Misinformation laden "approved reading lists" , lesson plans, or Movies.

Turn off the TV, Get off the Internet, Make time for the kids, listen to them, read, teach them to read, teach them what is important - not allow indoctrination - to shape their future.

Get involved with a kid's future, they grow up too fast as is.



April 17, 2006, 10:31 AM
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It makes me sad and scares me to see the direction that we are headed in. :(
I can remember being in school and it was normal to see hunting rifles in the back window of trucks. And some of the guys carried knives and no one freaked out. I never heard of anyone getting shot or stabbed while I was in school. I guess those days are long gone.:(

April 17, 2006, 10:37 AM
"Of course, my father was a school principal with common sense. Come to think of it, that ended up costing him his job..."

Sorry about that.:(

"never heard of anyone getting shot or stabbed while I was in school. I guess those days are long gone."

That's the truth. I'm 18 & when I was in grade school, I never threatened to shoot anybody. If we fought, we used our feet & hands. All that physical activity made me a strong guy that could make 100 Navy SEALS shake in fear:eek: . Then I started drinking Mountain Dew & my old body fell apart. As I am now, I couldn't fist-fight a punching bag.

April 17, 2006, 11:20 AM
some questions about me and kids, I shared , again to them as I did in Tulsa.

I ever get rich, heck get to a better place than I am...

I have had a Dream for many many years.

I want to build a rim-fire only range, a special one. I want this to be a place families can come with kids, nieces, nephews, the nieghbors kids. Sunday School Classes, School groups, Boy Scout/ Girl name it, can come out and just have FUN.

Air Guns and BB Guns too, little bitty kids can a learn a LOT and be a part of our culture, just may not be big enough for the .22 yet.

Targets from shooting tins cans off a fence, to replicating a squirrel in a tree, a NRA target downrange. Skill levels, from a kid needing help sitting in an adults lap hitting a 12" balloon 5 yds away, I do not care what, just a FUN , SAFE Exposure to the Responsible Firearm Community.

If a kid wants to eat corn dogs while Eddie Eagle tape is being watched and is learning, have cases of the darn corn dogs, I don't care if corn dogs are running out their is the lessons being passed forward I care about.

Society has changed, single parent families, both parents having to work to make ends meet, the breakdown of family units due to many factors.

I really believe, heck I know, this idea of mine would assist in repairing some societal breakdowns, make strong bonds of family stronger. I have been involved , and I have seen it.

Of all people I need training, heck I have told Rich, Denny, Givens , Ayoob and who knows whom-all this.

I have invites to shoot various ranges, I am humbled by all this...still, me being me, helping a kid get the ear muffs on right, and the glasses to fit, and getting set up to shoot...

I have had my brain picked on Shotgun ranges and layouts, even been asked to consider being involved in competing again, teaching again ...I need to finish this College bit, or at least be able to attend if I do get back into this in some way.

Everytime, I have mentioned having something for the kids and new folks. Even told the person wanting to do a Sporting Clays set up to be sure to have BB Guns and ping pong balls to assist in shotgun lessons, and, for the kids to "particiapate" in some way, on a level they can.

I have canceled a tourney, when a kid's event was planned. It was more important to me , and some others that did not shoot that tourney, and this is going to sound to wrong, we would have taken that tourney.

Kids learned, parents learned, new folks to shooting learned - we all had a good time. I was reading Ruark to some, and letting them read to me. One teacher was taking the time to assist in some math problems the kids were worried about, stressing them out. "Wow, my teacher did not explain it that way, your way is better". They went and plinked, and came back to practice this math, on thier own (scary I know).

Imagine a place, where a family has had a hard weekl, the stress dripping off the closer they drive to this Range I am speaking of. Talk changes from fussing about co-workers, teachers, homework, being exited about seeing other families and kids. The bag is clanging with tin cans saved , the kid stuck a GI Joe in jeans pocket.

GI Joe gets sets on a target stand, "you hit it, I'll give you a dollar" then other adults chime in "dollar from me too" other kids are rooting for this kid, so quiet you can hear a pin drop, the kid takes aim...

Next week may be a bad week again, but it all it takes is anyone in the family seeing that GI Joe finally found, sitting on a lamp table , and for some reason - everything is going to be okay.

I know, I was that kid, and I have seen this too many times since. I was the big kid with a bag of GI Joes, and losing dollar bills.

pete f
April 17, 2006, 05:40 PM
I jsut think back to hte massachusetts of my youth, Armed minute men were paraded around as patriots, we had a day of school and got to learn about the battle of bunker hill, Patriots day is a legal holiday in Mass still, But they would have a hard time filling a company of armed competent men today with the rules they have now.

In mass in my youth, Public school 4th grade was a huge step. Because you were now in Boy Scout age, you were allowed to carry your pocket knife to school. And Eighth grade was a similar step, I was able to carry my .22 to school on my bike so i could go small game hunting, the school had a locked store room for us to leave them in for the ride home. All it took was a call from home to the school saying you had permission to do it. Now both parents would be up for felony neglect and child endangerment.

April 17, 2006, 06:18 PM
A redneck's famous last words...HEY DUDE, watch this!

No self-respecting redneck would ever say "dude"....

It's "Hey Y' this!"

I know because I are one ;)

April 17, 2006, 06:23 PM
This is really sad

April 17, 2006, 08:52 PM
zero-tolerance policy on weapons

Since when is a plastic toy a weapon? zero tolerance for plastic toys?
What is wrong with these people? I would sue for traumatizing my child.

Standing Wolf
April 17, 2006, 08:58 PM
Hey, what's so funny? We're defending the nation's borders with one-inch plastic toy weapons, aren't we?

30-06 lover
April 18, 2006, 02:07 AM
I have always hated "Zero Tolerance". Where is the compassion? Being a hunting enthusiast at age 5, I had quite a few accidents in my k-12 school days. When I started hunting, I normally wore jeans. I would take the dirty jeans home, wash them, put them on the next school day, go to school, reach in my pocket and find live .308 rounds!!! Oh S. What the hell was I supposed to do? If I turned myself in, I would have gotten suspended. (Bay Area Cali). If I hid them, got through the school day, got home and forgot about it, nothing happened. If I had gotten caught, it would be the same consequence if I had turned myself in??? It didn't happen ofter, but accidents happened because I am human. Like I stated,Where is the compassion? Worse yet, what kind if message are we giving kids? If we can never be grated the chance to make mistakes, where would the human race be right now?

April 18, 2006, 02:20 AM
Zero Tolerance rules are increadably stupid. My main gripe with them is that they strip people of the responsability to use logic and judgement. People hide behind the vail of "zero tolerance" so that they don't have to think and reason for themselves. This, in my opinion, is one reason why places that have zero tolerance rules tend to have the dumbest employees. End the cycle of stupidity by ending "zero tolerance" and make people accountable for the quality of judgement they use.

April 18, 2006, 09:33 AM
"Zero Tolerance rules are increadably stupid. My main gripe with them is that they strip people of the responsability to use logic and judgement. People hide behind the vail of "zero tolerance" so that they don't have to think and reason for themselves."

That is one of the most intelligent things I've heard said. Well done.

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