[Flyboy73]

Was going through the shooter catlog from the sportsman guide and saw a complete FAL lower assembly including full auto fire control group.

I don't own a FAL and not to familier with them.

But if you took the lower and put it on a FAL semi, like CAI sells, would it be a illegal full auto then?

Seems like i am missing something, but i am not sure

Brion

[Thefabulousfink]

Here, this might help.http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=134255&highlight=full+auto

and thishttp://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=128513&highlight=full+auto

[hso]

A semi auto receiver with a full milsurp lower is legal in FALs.

[silicon wolverine]

Thye are selling AK parts kits complete with FA parts as well.

SW

[Hkmp5sd]

They are legal parts kits for anyone possessing a legal full auto FAL. Combining them with semi-auto rifles would make illegal machineguns.

[Ian Sean]

A semi auto receiver with a full milsurp lower is legal in FALs

Hso, True, but the rest of the rifle must have the correct amount of compliance parts (no more than 10 evil imported parts).

Flyboy73, The quick and dirty explanation: It is the modifications to the upper receiver not the lower that makes a FAL a semi-auto. The Full auto sear and milling cut in the upper are present in the legal full auto FAL. The semi sear is pinned in place on a semi and the cut is not present.

That being said, when building a semi FAL you have to have a certain amount of US made parts to be compliant with section 922R for legality. In short, replacing these parts (in the eyes of the Feds), turns the rifle into a domestic made one and legal to own.

The hammer, trigger and sear of a full auto are no different than the domestic USA made hammer, triggers and sears (other than quality issues). Most FAL builders to comply with the "parts count" requirement often replace the hammer, trigger and sear in the lower for this reason.

The most common and easiest to replace with USA made compliance parts are:

Hammer, Trigger, Sear, Reciever, gas piston, rear stock, hand gaurds, pistol grip, and charging handle.

If won't make it full auto, would it even be legal to put it on a Semi FAL?

So, to answer your question, NO, it will not make it full auto, but if you replace the entire lower like that, make sure the rest of the rifle has the correct amount of compliance parts.

Hope this helps.:)

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Based on past ATF rulings, you wouldn't even need to combine the parts kit and the rifle. Just owning the parts kit and the rifle in the same place would be considered "constructive possession" of a machinegun.

Edited to add: Assuming that the parts kit was sufficient to cause full-auto fire (even unintentionally) in the first place. I know jack about the internals of FALs; so that may not be the case here.

[Bwana John]

They are legal parts kits for anyone possessing a legal full auto FAL. Combining them with semi-auto rifles would make illegal machineguns.

Wrong- See Ian Seans post on the duplacate thread.

FAL lowers contain only the selector, which is not concidered a FA part.

FAL FA uppers have the FA sear cut ejector block and safety sear.

Anybody can put any lower on their semi-only FAL with no legal problems.

[Hkmp5sd]

Wrong? Dang! That's the 3,231 time this week. :p

[AJ Dual]

My Century Franken-FAL has a three position full-auto lower. Safe Semi, and Full. The selector moves to "Full" but that changes nothing.

On a FAL the lower isn't the "Legal Reciever", the upper is. Exact opposite from an AR/M-16 type rifle.

A FAL with a "full auto" lower is no more functionaly a machine gun, than the upper taken off a full-auto AR-15 and placed on a semi-auto AR-15 lower. And amazingly the rules reflect that.