O'Reilly on guns?


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mp510
April 17, 2006, 08:44 PM
I was wondering if anyone here knows exactly what Bill O'Reilly's stance is on guns. I have read a number of biographies that said he is "liberal on the gun issue" and "pro gun-control". However, I have never heard him say anything about the issue, so I don't know exactly what that means. Can anybody help clue me in?

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Lupinus
April 17, 2006, 08:51 PM
If i remember correctly he is centerist. He thinks you have the right to have them but (I think, don't quote me here) isn't agianst registration and licensing.

'Card
April 17, 2006, 08:58 PM
Once he figures out which opinion will get him the highest ratings, I'm sure he'll embrace it, proclaim it, and condemn those with the audacity to oppose it.

real_name
April 17, 2006, 08:59 PM
Well, he said this about his argument with Al Franken on C-Span in 2003.

"See, in the Old West -- and I would have loved to have been in the Old West -- Al and I would have just had a little -- a little shootout, you know? We would have went out on Wilshire Avenue, and six-shooters. Now, he's a much smaller target than I am -- about four-foot-eleven, but he's wider. And it would have been, you know, Clint Eastwood time. I would have had the serape, would have given my squint, and I would have put a bullet right between his head.

"Would have been wrong, would have been wrong. But it was the Old West, and I would not have known any better. So I wouldn't have been accountable because I would not have known any better. Now I do. Now, in 2003, that would have been wrong."

Don't Tread On Me
April 17, 2006, 09:00 PM
He isn't anti-gun.

I don't think the man knows very much about the RKBA, gun laws or the issue as a whole. I say this because his statements and positions are all over the place. It isn't a "centerist" position, but rather a "confused" position of someone who pays little attention to it all. This is very common, just talk about gun issues with average joe American...


The New Orleans disaster did have an effect on him. He said many times thereafter that people need a means to defend themselves and that gun ownership is the key.


So maybe it is sinking in...

HankB
April 17, 2006, 09:06 PM
I remember a show in which O'Reilly expressed support for the AWB because he saw no reason for people to have bazookas. :rolleyes:

Don't Tread On Me
April 17, 2006, 09:12 PM
I remember that. lol.


He's clueless, and as the other member posted, he goes with the position that earns him ratings, but with the gun issues, I truly think he doesn't know very much. Ignorance doesn't qualify as anti-gun necessarily.

Technosavant
April 17, 2006, 09:13 PM
NOLA made an impression on him, and afterwards, he was saying "this is why the Second Amendment can never again be doubted." He does stand on the side of personal firearms ownership, but at the same time, I do not believe that he has ever gone out of his way to rally support to remove infringements upon that amendment.

Vern Humphrey
April 17, 2006, 09:15 PM
Whatever he did think, he says he had an Epipheny over what happened in New Orleans, and now understands the need for private citizens to be armed.

Alex45ACP
April 17, 2006, 09:18 PM
Yeah, I remember a few months ago he was debating some woman on victim disarmament laws and how the government can't always be there to hold your hand, and he mentioned hurricane Katrina and at the very end of the episode said "Get a rifle."

Vern Humphrey
April 17, 2006, 09:22 PM
That's progress.:D

PlayboyPenguin
April 17, 2006, 09:32 PM
Who cares what a worthless sack of wind like O'reilly thinks. The man is the biggest creep and two faced liar I have ever seen on TV. I once read about him get verbally abusive with a female reporter because she presented him with his voter registration where he registered as a republican after he swore he registered independant. That shows what kind of guy he is right there.

antsi
April 17, 2006, 09:45 PM
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Once he figures out which opinion will get him the highest ratings, I'm sure he'll embrace it, proclaim it, and condemn those with the audacity to oppose it.
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I don't think the man knows very much about the RKBA, gun laws or the issue as a whole. I say this because his statements and positions are all over the place. It isn't a "centerist" position, but rather a "confused" position of someone who pays little attention to it all.
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1911Tuner
April 17, 2006, 09:48 PM
Quote:

>he mentioned hurricane Katrina and at the very end of the episode said "Get a rifle."<

And then quickly added:

"In the home! Only in the home!"

:rolleyes:

Don't look for Bloviating Bill to rally to the cause. He put his own spin on that
"No-Spin" debate. In other words: I don't mind too much if you have a RIFLE...as long as you keep it locked away on your property just in case of emergency.

Sorry. Got no patience with mugwumps.

trbon8r
April 17, 2006, 09:49 PM
The guy is a degenerate perv that had to settle a lawsuit out of court with his producer because he was making obscene phone calls to her. I'm guessing a tape of his shenanigans exists, which was why he paid some hush money to quiet things down.

If you ever listen to his radio show, and hear the way he interacts with either of his giggle girl sidekicks, you can hear what a sexually deprived creep he is. Not only that, he has no spine and changes his opinions whichever way the wind is blowing.

On the gun issue he did make some pro-gun statements after Katrina, but he is such a waffler he could change his position tomorrow if the political wind shifted.

Other than that, I think he's just swell.

ken grant
April 17, 2006, 10:22 PM
He did say at one time he was going to buy a handgun and get training with it. I don't know if he ever did.:confused:

DF357
April 17, 2006, 10:48 PM
I remember him saying the AWB should not expire because no on needs an assault weapon.

Arrogant and imperious, he is.

Mizzle187
April 18, 2006, 11:51 AM
I remember when the Factor first came out. I was drawn to watch this show every night. I started to really like Bill. He didnt take much crap and wasnt affraid to say certain things(compared to smilar person). He knew where he standed on issues and stuck with it but in the last 2 years or so things have changed. I dont know what has caused this. He always had other members of the media and Hollywood - constantly bashing him and testing him and he usually would come out on top. I think ever since his little phone sex fiasco things have changed. People are now able get under his skin and defeat him on a normal basis. His firm stand on things are becoming flabby. He is no longer untouchable. Its like he came out telling himself here is where Im gonna "SAY" I stand on certain things and nothing can change that. Im Bill O. I live my life doing the right thing. I do not sin. Then these little things started to come out contradicting what he ahs always said and then the phone sex thing. Now he is a joke. You have to give it to him though he haad a damn good run BSing alot of people!

AirForceShooter
April 18, 2006, 12:03 PM
After New Orleans he did say he was going to get a hand gun.
Never said if he did.

AFS

Manedwolf
April 18, 2006, 12:54 PM
I see him as the small-minded equivalent of a flamewar blogger. He only talks trash because he's safe behind the screen.

In reality, he's just a blowhard "little man" who will say whatever he thinks will get ratings and infuriate people to be controversial.

Someone said, and I agree, that watching any of the ill-informed loud-as-possible pundit shows is about as informative as watching a dog relieve itself to music.

Drysdale
April 18, 2006, 04:43 PM
You guys are fringe. I support the right to hunt and defend yourself but, you guys that think you need an AK-47 are fringe! I support the renewal of assault weapons...you know...bazookas and machineguns and AK-47's. Who needs an AK-47 to shoot a deer?

1911Tuner
April 18, 2006, 05:06 PM
Drysdale...Bingo.

Somebody needs to write to Little Bill and explain to him that 2A doesn't state that we have the right to keep and bear sporting goods...and that it ain't about deer huntin' anyway...

Optical Serenity
April 18, 2006, 07:09 PM
He's still way better than most on tv...

real_name
April 18, 2006, 07:13 PM
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trbon8r
April 19, 2006, 01:22 AM
I'll stick to Michael Savage. Once in a great while he mentions his AR-15. Not too long ago he said something to the effect that "everytime I hear someone is in the civil rights business I load another clip for my AR-15". :D

I love the way Savage constantly badgers O'Reilly on his radio show, calling him "the Leprechaun". :D

DunedinDragon
April 19, 2006, 05:38 AM
Bill O'Reilly has little to no credibility on MOST of the subjects he talks about. I have never understood why people would care to listen to him in the first place. I guess it must be similar to the reason people slow down on the freeway to look at an accident.

As for me, I prefer Rush Limbaugh any day of the week. At least he's willing to do the research and supports his opinions with actual facts rather than pure attitude.

fal 4 me
April 19, 2006, 06:22 AM
As for me, I prefer Rush Limbaugh any day of the week. At least he's willing to do the research and supports his opinions with actual facts rather than pure attitude.

You might want to try and look up some of the "facts" Limbaugh uses.

All pundits on both sides of the issue often use questionable "facts." Some are worse than others. O'Reilly might be the worst of all.

DunedinDragon
April 19, 2006, 06:45 AM
Well truthfully...when it comes to pundits, there's only ONE worth watching at all.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/davidge1952/colbert_m4_stephen.jpg

Stephen Cobert For President!!!!!!

"I don't let the facts get in the way of the truth.", Stephen Cobert

On how a water park could solve our immigration problem: "The top of the slide is in San Diego, but the catch pool is in Juarez."

On Jill Carroll's release: "She is safe and sound. Fantastic news. Proves Iraq has finally turned a corner. People may not be greeting us as liberators, but we are being greeted as we're liberated. Here she is this morning receiving a plaque from an Iraqi journalist -- I believe she was voted 'most likely not to return to Iraq.'

On a scientist winning the religious Templeton Prize: "Listen science, your attempts to discover the awesome, mysterious forces that formed and continue to shape our universe have nothing to do with religion. Keep your 'hard evidence' chocolate out of our 'personal faith' peanut butter. God found Adam under a cabbage leaf. Read the bible."

On marriage: "It is an accepted fact that if you're a single woman over 35, you're less likely to find a husband than you are to be devoured by a circus lion in a convenience store." Great news! Only 13 more years until it's statistically impossible for my idiot sister to marry and breed!

On bears: "For years, these ravenous brutes have had free reign to use our woods as their personal latrine, protected by their 'endangered' status. Now the government is wisely considering ending grizzlies' special treatment to protect our honey jars and Paddington Station." Plus maybe it's not too late to save that Grizzly Man guy!

On pre-union American factories: "Unlike today's sterile office towers, these old factories were a family-friendly environment. It wasn't uncommon to see a man working in a textile mill, with a child right there at his side. That's right, every day was take your daughter to work day."

On being a history buff: "I like to put the news in historical perspective. But history is more than battles and presidents and the contribution of enslaved peoples to the development of the banjo."

On advice for participants in the impending Iraqi civil war: "Do take lots of pictures of yourselves, to provide detailed historical documentation for future Iraqi civil war re-enactors. It may not seem like much fun now, bit in 150 years--if the war is over by then--it'll be a great thing to do on Saturdays."

Deanimator
April 19, 2006, 11:00 AM
I was wondering if anyone here knows exactly what Bill O'Reilly's stance is on guns.
He's a media person. The answer is, "ignorant".

Like any other media person, he has the intellectual curiosity of Homer Simpson toward anything in which he does not personally have a direct interest.

TheEgg
April 19, 2006, 12:09 PM
O'Reilly thinks that HIS OPINION=FACT on just about any subject known to man.

I have never heard a more arrogant yet ignorant man.

Stauble
April 19, 2006, 12:10 PM
i do remember that episode when he told everyone to get a rifle. i actually normally agree with what he says, except when he talks about the catholic church.
he is a total moron on that subject

joe scarborough on msnbc had a good show for a while, but hes gone down hill. ill only watch if buchanan is on now :D

USP4Me
April 19, 2006, 12:37 PM
Bill O'Reilly uses his show as a bully pulpit for causes he deems worthy and necessary, like protecting kids. He is a crusader for locking up child molesters and other malfeasants and I think he does a very admirable job. I often don't agree with his aggressive style, talking over his guests and such (I prefer Tim Russert as an interviewer; more polite and no snowball questions to controversial guests). I do remember the discussion he was having with former San Francisco Supervisor and perennial mayoral candidate Angela Alioto, and just as his show ran out of time he got in the "Buy a rifle" blurb. It was hilarious and surprising.

seeker_two
April 19, 2006, 02:55 PM
I love the way Savage constantly badgers O'Reilly on his radio show, calling him "the Leprechaun".

I though Sean Hannity was the Leprechaun.... :scrutiny:

Savage rules....when Glenn Beck isn't on... :D

mp510
April 20, 2006, 11:29 PM
Unresolved Problems Segment
Election Day
Guest: Angela Alioto, Former President of the City's Board of Supervisors
San Franciscans will vote Tuesday on an initiative to ban handguns, and another symbolic resolution opposing military recruiting in public schools. Politician and pundit Angela Alioto argued in favor of both measures. "We do not want to have guns in the city of San Francisco, period. You can protect your property and your family and your property without a gun." She also defended the anti- recruiting resolution. "That proposition says we will not go into schools and pinpoint low-income minorities so they can get a college education without telling them about going to war. There are other ways of helping people pay for college." The Factor forcefully challenged Alioto on both issues. "Once I saw what happened in Hurricane Katrina, I said every American household should have a firearm. If there's a tremendous earthquake in San Francisco and looting, you don't want your family protected? You don't want a firearm in your house? You're living in the world of Oz. And the military is a noble enterprise. Why should the rest of the country protect your butt if San Francisco is going to thumb your nose at the military by passing this resolution?"

1911Tuner
April 21, 2006, 12:12 AM
Okay...We've got a veteran DEA agent...whose issue sidearm is the Glock...
and he was gonna disassemble the gun AFTER he chambered a round...knowing full well that the Glock's trigger has to be pulled to drop the striker before it can be disassembled...also knowing full well that the clearance drill for an autopistol is to remove the magazine FIRST and then clear the chamber, and at least LOOK into the chamber, if not DEA policy to lock the slide to the rear and feel inside the chamber to insure that the gun is clear...BEFORE the slide can be returned to battery and the trigger safely pulled for weapon disassambly.

He flat lied. I saw the video. He wasn't gonna take it apart. He was reholstering the pistol and it fired because he had his finger on the trigger.
Probably the number one cause of negligent discharge with the Glock.
(The trigger makes it go bang, genius.)

He not only knew these things..or at least had been trained to perform the clearance drill...but he did his demonstration for a group of kids with a loaded gun instead of clearing it before he entered the classroom...and now he's gonna sue because somebody caught him on film bein' a world-class dumbass
and had the unmitigated gall to let the public SEE that he was a world-class dumbass.

Let's have a show of hands from our LEOs. Would any of you guys have done that demonstration with a loaded gun? Nah. I didn't think so.

This macho moron was goin' for the OOH/AHH effect from a buncha kids with his real gun. Well...He got it. :rolleyes:

Deanimator
April 21, 2006, 09:50 AM
He flat lied. I saw the video. He wasn't gonna take it apart. He was reholstering the pistol and it fired because he had his finger on the trigger.
Probably the number one cause of negligent discharge with the Glock.
(The trigger makes it go bang, genius.)
Exactly the same thing happened to one of the contract security guards for NASA Lewis in Cleveland on the Fairview Park police range in the early '90s.

My dimwitted, Klansman boss at the NASA contractor where I worked, proceeded to wax ignorant about how the security company should get rid of the Glocks because they were "dangerous". I suggested that he do the same thing with a S&W Model 10 revolver. He dropped the subject.

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