Need info on three guns, worth


PDA






Oleg Volk
April 22, 2003, 06:57 PM
Saw these at local shops:

Winchester Mod.12 shotgun, SN. 3xxx in 20gauge. Huge Cutts-Lyman compensator, apaprently with a polychoke inside but without choke setting markings. Decent shape for a gun that age but obviously used. Asking price is $245 incl. tax

JC Higgins Model 101.16(?)
Tube-fed autoloading .22 rifle with a weird "grille" cutout on the left of the receiver. Stock is made of Bakelite. Asking $75. Seems to be in good shape. SN 2,xxx,xxx range.

Stevens 311A .410 SxS. Very good shape except for the trigger guard (replaceable?) Plan, original (?) buttpad. 3" chambers. No SN. Asking $300.

If you enjoyed reading about "Need info on three guns, worth" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
BADSBSNF81
April 22, 2003, 09:11 PM
Mod 12 - OK
J.C. Higgins - About a $60 rifle
Stevens 311A - $250 because of the damage. Many aftermarket parts require fitting.

YMMV. Usual disclaimers apply.

Jim K
April 22, 2003, 11:52 PM
The Model 12 could be OK, but it sounds like an old gun and may be worn out. Yes, even Model 12s do that.

The Stevens 311 A is a hunting gun. The price is $50 too high even if in perfect condition, and the trigger guard will run $10.70 + s & h (Gun Parts Corp.). Pass if it has a plastic stock or if both barrels won't fire, a common problem with the 311 series.

The J.C. Higgins is one version of the old Savage/Stevens/Springfield auto loader that was without any doubt the worst .22 autoloader ever designed. To top things off those Bakelite stocks are actually rare because they broke and cracked by the thousands. Pass, unless you are a masochist or like to throw money away.

Jim

Crimper-D
April 24, 2003, 01:33 AM
I had a wood stocked model that managed to fire a half chamberd LR load... The only .22 rimfire I've ever had a complete case head seperation with....Thanks be to a kind God for that "Grill" machined into the left of the receiver = that's where the majority of the hot gases, powder particles and shards of molton brass went instead of back into my face (only one nick in my safety glasses):eek: The gas was hot enough to melt 1/2 the lead from the next round in the carrier below the breech. :what:
Still have the rifle, minus the extractor which was blown off and went missing... won't sell this thing, but neither will I ever shoot it.:mad:
Whoever said this was the worst autoloader .22 ever designed was understated.

Wildalaska
April 24, 2003, 03:33 AM
Pass on all of them....

WildtheyarenotworthitAlaska

Jim Watson
April 24, 2003, 10:18 AM
The good news is that a Model 12 with SN in the 3000 range is first year of production, 1912. Yes, they came out in 20 gauge first.

The bad news is that they made about two million of them so "decent shape for the age" and an aftermarket choke pretty well wipe out the collector interest.

Your description of a "polychoke INSIDE" is interesting but not good. The only choke device I know with the choke inside the comp cage is the Pachmayr Power-PAC, vintage 1950s and '60s. It leaves a gap between the barrel proper and the end of the choke tube with no forcing cone effect like a Cutts. They were found not suitable for shot cup wad ammo, I saw a photo of one with shredded cup material packed in the comp cage where the wads were cut up by the edge of the choke tube.


There are collectors of Tenite stocked cheap guns. They are uncommon because the plastic was so brittle and survival rate is low. Doesn't mean they are worth a lot, just novelties. That is about all that Sears/Stevens is good for.

That is way more than I would give for a 311 with broken trigger guard. Or without.

mljackso
March 13, 2007, 05:16 PM
Jim Watson,

This is a few years after your last post on this subject. With your email address I can send you a photo of the Pachmayr Power Pac on my 1949 Model 12. This gun has two barrels. The main one has the same serial number as the gun action, is about 27 inches long, and is marked "Full." The other barrel has the Power Pac. It is marked "WS-1" I believe. The serial number on the other barrel is the same except for one of the middle digits is off by one number. I do not have any of the screw in Power Pac choke tubes. Do you know where I can get some? Is it safe to shoot through this barrel without a choke tube screwed in?

Jim Watson
March 13, 2007, 07:23 PM
I am not a M12 expert although I owned one once upon a time.

1. Measure your straight barrel properly, a rod down the barrel so as to measure from breech face to muzzle. "About 27 inches" was not a standard length; if it isn't really 28 inches, it was very likely cut off. You might try the dime test to see if it has any choke. The legend is that an unworn dime, .705" diameter should not enter a full choke which was then constricted .040" less than 12 ga bore of .730".

2. Corson lists some Power Pac choke tubes, you have to specify the thread diameter to get a fit.
http://www.corsonsbarrels.com/powerpacchokes.htm

There were some sold on eBay last month for less money, you should check in there periodically.

The barrel with the Power Pac was originally a skeet barrel, WS-1 = Winchester Skeet No 1.

What is its length? That Power Pac is awful close to the front end of the magazine tube. Must be 18" to be legal and I don't know if the feds would count the Power Pac body unless it were "permanently attached."

The Monte Carlo stock makes it look like a previous owner was shooting Trap with it.

If you enjoyed reading about "Need info on three guns, worth" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!