Reliability


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DJCharlie
April 22, 2003, 07:07 PM
Sorry to start things up again but i was wondering if polymer guns are more reliable than steel guns? Just wanted to hear the voice of the people...

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Marko Kloos
April 22, 2003, 07:25 PM
I'd say reliability is mostly a result of weapon design, not material. There are polymer guns which are easily as reliable as the most proven steel and alloy guns...I'd put a Glock up against my CZs or 1911 in the reliability department. The corollary is true as well...there are some guns out there with spotty reliability reputations, both polymer and steel or alloy framed.

Correia
April 22, 2003, 07:27 PM
I'm with Lendringser on this one. I don't think frame material makes that much difference.

For example, I have 1911s with steel frames and polymer frames. Either are reliable.

Handy
April 22, 2003, 07:49 PM
I'd take this a step further.

There is no category that you can state categorically makes one gun more reliable than another. Not method of operation, frame material, rifling, or even caliber (for the most part).

A good design takes advantage of the materials and avoids their shortcomings. Choose guns on tests and recommendation, not stats.

George Hill
April 22, 2003, 07:58 PM
:rolleyes:

You guys don't know a dang thing.


celluloid makes for the most reliable guns.









































:neener:

Skunkabilly
April 22, 2003, 08:59 PM
What lendringser said + carbon fiber grips ;)

benEzra
April 22, 2003, 10:56 PM
celluloid makes for the most reliable guns.
Shucks, Hollywood guns are so reliable, they can fire 25 times from an 8-round magazine!:D

Graystar
April 23, 2003, 12:08 AM
When a Glock has a problem, isn't it usually with its steel components?

Island Beretta
April 23, 2003, 12:59 AM
Guys, there may be times when the gun has to be used as a club..give me the steel everytime!!:banghead:

This thing about polymer having the same strength of steel but without the weight.. sounds like a free lunch to me but I was taught in Economics 101- there is no such thing as a free lunch!! um, this bears further :scrutiny:

Why is it also that it is only the Ruger P95 that has full polymer guide rails?? Are we not so sure about the polymer's steel-like strength.. again this calls for greater :scrutiny:

Handy
April 23, 2003, 12:59 AM
Not really. The slide peaning problem is caused by frame flex.

Ala Dan
April 23, 2003, 02:08 AM
Enter SIG-Sauer "Classic" P-series Self-Loader's! :uhoh:

Need I Say More?


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

billcameron
April 23, 2003, 11:25 PM
A light frame gun should be more prone to limp wristing problems.

Yo
April 23, 2003, 11:50 PM
Let me tell you a little story. I own an HK .45 USP. During live fire, the firing pin broke. The back half of the firing pin shot out the back of the gun (carried rearward by the recoiling action of the slide). The front half of the firing pin was jammed between slide and frame. It took a chunk of the polymer frame out about the size of a chicklet. The missing piece being just right of the hammer, looking forward. The firing pin, also bowed the frame outwards about 1/4".

That's the last polymer-framed gun I ever buy. (HK ended up replacing the whole weapon)

Handy
April 24, 2003, 02:22 PM
Yo,

That is extremely compelling. I have to wonder about other foreign objects (like casings) ending up in the wrong place during cycling.

Pendragon
April 24, 2003, 03:33 PM
I think reliability requires many things.

Design is one thing - the design has to be excuted in a precise way.

There are a lot of 1911s that are jam-o-matics. I think that is an issue of poor execution/fit of a reliable design.

Delmar
April 24, 2003, 04:18 PM
Look no further than the Japanese Arisaka rifle. Even though it was built from "inferior" materials, it is a much stronger action than the vaunted Mauser 98, the Lee-Enfield or the Springfield rifle.

care-less
April 25, 2003, 01:36 PM
The materials that a weapon is made from should have no bearing whatsoever on the reliability of the weapon; ie: it's ability to cycle, eject and feed a fresh round. It would seem that people are streeeeeetching the definition of the word "reliability" quite a bit. Now we are into mausers vs. Arisaka's! By the way, Arisakas were not made from inferior materials. Towards wars end, they were crudely machined, but they were made from steel which the Japs got from us before the war; and I sure never saw any polymer in the frame.

10-Ring
April 25, 2003, 08:16 PM
Rather than frame material, I too say that design is more important in striving for reliability!

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