[V4Vendetta]

As I was sitting in my living room with a plate of cookies, I heard a turkey. I looked outside for it but it wasn't anywhere to be seen.

Then as I was leaving for work this morning, I heard it again. It's coming through the woods. I was wondering, is a SAR1 enough gun for a wild turkey? I asked my dad & he knows how to clean one so I guess that'll be what's for dinner one day if I catch it.

I'll keep you folks updated.

[kentucky_smith]

Are you aware of any hunting laws? :mad:

[V4Vendetta]

No. Why the mad face? I was just asking a question.

[lawson]

the mad face was because walking outside your house and shooting a turkey is a very very bad idea that can get you into a lot of trouble. using a weapon that you are legally not allowed to hunt with, in an area you are likely not allowed to hunt in.

i understand that you are new to the wonderful world of firearms ownership, but you seem to have a tendency to want to jump the gun. if you want to bag a turkey, pick up your local hunting regulations and do it legally.

[V4Vendetta]

You mean that I can't kill a turkey for dinner if it's on my own property?:scrutiny: :eek: . I wasn't just going to shoot it for evilness sake. I like turkey meat. Especially the way my mom makes it.

[lawson]

i wasn't saying you were just going to kill it for killings sake. but, what is your property zoned as? are you legally allowed to discharge a firearm in your area? you'd better be sure before you do it.

and in NC you cannot use any kind of rifle or pistol on a wild turkey.

['Card]

I was wondering, is a SAR1 enough gun for a wild turkey?
An SAR1? Lord no, man. Have you ever seen the gutting spurs on a big turkey? Let one of those vicious killers get close enough and you'll be dragging your intestines around on the ground behind you.

I know I personally wouldn't go hunting turkeys without at least a full-auto .50cal UBM with laser sights and a bayonet mounted.

Make that two bayonets.

[V4Vendetta]

"Have you ever seen the gutting spurs on a big turkey?"

No sir. Just heard them.

"Let one of those vicious killers get close enough and you'll be dragging your intestines around on the ground behind you. I know I personally wouldn't go hunting turkeys without at least a full-auto .50cal UBM with laser sights and a bayonet mounted. Make that two bayonets."

:what: Are you sure your not confusing turkeys with the velociraptors from "Jurrasic Park"?:scrutiny:

"and in NC you cannot use any kind of rifle or pistol on a wild turkey."

What do you use then?:confused:

[itgoesboom]

Please, please read you state game regulations. Both Big game and small game. It would help make sure that you don't do something 1) illegal, and 2) something that makes hunters look bad.

But to help you out, here is a little explanation.

Use rifles for animals that look like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/White-tailed_deer.jpg

Use shotguns for animals like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Turkeys_on_path.jpg





*There are exceptions, don't worry about them, stick to the basics. :D

I.G.B.

[Art Eatman]

Yeah, check the game laws. Usually, where there is a spring season, it's in March. Two weeks or thereabouts. (Who sez Gummint ain't religious? "For everything there is a season..." :D)

If you can't use a rifle or pistol, what's left? Er, uih, shotgun? :)

Full choke or extra-full. I believe folks mostly use #2 shot. (Texas allows rifles, and most of my turkey shooting has been during deer season.)

Again, check the game laws. In many states, a poaching conviction can result in the loss of gun and vehicle.

Art

[V4Vendetta]

Oh to blazes with hunting:barf: . I'll just buy a stupid turkey.:mad:

['Card]

Oh, don't worry about it V4. If you actually did simple and common things like looking up hunting regulations on your own, you wouldn't be averaging 213 posts-per-month on THR.

[JShirley]

Hunting is just like anything else. Think of it as a game played with firearms. Games have rules, and hunting has rules. The rules depend on your state and county, and sometimes, even if you're hunting on wildlife management area or personal property.

Once you understand all the various rules, you can pick your game to play; OR, you can choose the game you want to play, and then be sure you know the rules.

J

[lawson]

very well put, J.

as much as i'd like to sit on my back porch and blast away at the quail that fly right over my backyard, i don't do it. it's against the rules. i wait until quail season, and then i spent six hours walking through a desert.

[V4Vendetta]

I'm just of the belief that if you find a deer/turkey/wild dog,etc on your land, you shoot be able to shoot it for food or defense regardless of permit or season.

Card, get off my case. I've noticed that when I post something, you always have something jerkish to say to me in response. If your gonna do that, find a forum called the low road.

[akodo]

a wild animal may range across the personal properties of a dozen people, even in farm country. Which individual has the rights to that animal? The person whose corn is getting eaten the most? the person whose bushes the deer beds down in at night? The person whose pond the deer drinks at? Or the person whose property the deer is on when a gun is in reach?

Wild animals don't read maps or know property boundries, that is why they are usually viewed as communal property, and thats why your community as a group got together and made rules about hunting.

[V4Vendetta]

Which individual has the rights to that animal? The person whose corn is getting eaten the most? the person whose bushes the deer beds down in at night? The person whose pond the deer drinks at? Or the person whose property the deer is on when a gun is in reach?


All of the above.

[Thylacine]

I gotta go with 'Card on this one. With a little bit of common sense your posts would not get "jerkish" responses. This one was just asking for them!

I think that the first response "kentucky_smith - Are you aware of any hunting laws? :mad: " just about summed it up.

[V4Vendetta]

I'm going to clear the air here. I've never hunted before. Therefore, what is common knowledge to you, may not be to me. Even Daniel Boone didn't start out knowing everything.

['Card]

Let's see... I've only been watching this forum for a few months, but in just the time I've been paying attention you've...
1. Tried to organize a group shoot on property that wasn't yours, without getting permission first.
2. Tried to organize a group shoot without mentioning that you didn't own a firearm of your own.
3. Endlessly antagonized everyone countless times with absurd, goofy speculations and hypothetical scenarios.
4. Endless questions (like this one) that could have been answered by 30 seconds with a Google search.

Face it, man - you posted here over 800 times before you ever purchased your first firearm. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what your deal is.

[Spec ops Grunt]

Think of it like this. Its an excuse to buy a shotgun.

cough1300cough

[pauli]

I'm just of the belief that if you find a deer/turkey/wild dog,etc on your land, you shoot be able to shoot it for food or defense regardless of permit or season.which sounds great, except for two things:

a: animals don't think much of "property rights."

b: state game agencies have been spending the past 60 years trying to repair the damage done by people with that same belief over the previous 60. read up on the history of buffalo hunting, market hunting (migratory birds), and find a chart of the deer population in your area over the past couple hundred years. there's probably one of those in the free hunting regulations book your state puts out. as i recall, in the first half of this century, white tail deer were on the verge of extinction on the east coast.

hunting is regulated and herds are managed for a darn good reason - even people with the best of intentions, working as a group, can achieve some spectactularly unwanted results.

[V4Vendetta]

Card,
#1: I already explained.
#2: I deny.
#3: I never meant to outright antagonize people.
#4: So what? If nobody ever asked the same questions at some point, that would mean that there was nobody new to shooting.

As far as posting a lot, maybe it's because I want some info before a spend a load of money on junk. Unlike you moneybags, I'm on a budget. I'm now adding you to my ignore list.

[mp510]

Look, I don't want to get on anybody's bad side here, but I am going to stick my neck out for V4, since he is new and is really trying to learn how to be a responsible gun owner and user. Granted, he's made mistakes, and I have even called him on them a couple times, but not growing up with this stuff makes it a little trickier for him to look in to. Maybe, with time, he will understand what to look into, and what the real deal about guns is. Let's train him, not insult him. It's important for him to learn now, so he doesn't go and do something stupid.
It's not bad for him to ask and get into our world without owning a gun. Informesd in advance keeps people interested, and can help save lives.

V4- I understand that you are new, and most of this stuff is a little confusing for you. I towuldbe for me, if I had no backgrouind too. I suggest you read these:
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/pg2a.htm
Please, don't be afraid to ask questions. Also, I think you are starting to realize the difference between the real world and the reel world.
It is unlawful to use a rifle on turkey down there. Often, people use Turkey Choke for Turkey, if one is available for their gun. Full or x-full is also good. You could get by with a $75 used single shot 12 guage. Also, on deer, rifles are regulated by county as well as the state. If you want to hunt, read and study these, like one would do with religious techings.

BTW, V4, I am not rich either. Work hard, and buy toys :)

['Card]

Oh, I don't have a problem in the world with people asking questions. Hell, I ask a lot myself. I'm a hunter and I've used rifles and shotguns my whole life, but I'm fairly new to pistols and I've learned a lot from questions I've asked and answers I've recieved on this, and other, forums.

But (and this is a big 'but') I think it's just common courtesy to do a little research and digging to see if the answer to my question is obvious, apparent, and easy-to-find before I come on here and bug people with it. I'm not one of those "Use the search button!" Nazis, either. I can easily understand why someone with a sincere question might be intimidated by the mass of info on this forum and want to ask their question directly.

There's a major difference between posting with questions and posting just because you're bored and you want to see your name in text. Take a few hours and wade back through his 850+ posts, and then you tell me which one he's doing more often.

[itgoesboom]

V4Vendetta,

Nobody has any problems with anyone asking questions, especially if the person is new to firearms.

However, you are now a gunowner. That means you need to be a responsible adult.

That means that you need to exercise common sense. If you want to hunt, you need to search the regulations in your state regarding hunting. You need to find out if you need a hunting license, tags, or anything else. You need to research what is legal and what isn't. You need to find out when hunting seasons are.

If you have questions after looking into the regulations that dictate what is legal or not within your area, then you should ask here, or elsewhere, for clarification.

This is all part of using common sense.

Otherwise you end up making all gunowners look bad.

I am not trying to bag on you, but you need to think about this.

Use common sense.

I.G.B.

[mp510]

Card, I agree with you:) V4 definetely has written a number of thing that I thought sounded odd, especially his crazed army of baptists shooting up the town and the 50 foot rifle range in his folks backyard. I always attributed that to being new. Most of his posts have been a lot better lately, which hopefully will stay the trend.

It is very easy to grow your post count fast here- 260+ since February for myself.

[V4Vendetta]

"V4 definetely has written a number of thing that I thought sounded odd, especially his crazed army of baptists shooting up the town and the 50 foot rifle range in his folks backyard."

Has everyone forgotten the "best caliber for zombie" threads here?:D I'm not the only crazy guy here. The 50' range is because I have to have a suitable tree to tie the target to. I'm going to work on that though. As for the crazy mob thread I created, I admit that was a little crazy.


"However, you are now a gunowner. That means you need to be a responsible adult."

I am. I have never used drugs, or drank alcohol or smoke tobacco unlike countless other people including presidents.

[lawson]

there is more to being a responsible adult than abstaining from drugs or alcohol.

and while some of us may give you a hard time (and i guarantee we all went through worse from our elders when we were young), remember that on the whole we're trying to keep you from forever losing your right to firearm ownership.

[V4Vendetta]

"V4 definetely has written a number of thing that I thought sounded odd."


If you really think that, it's a good thing I've showed some restraint in my posts so far;) .

[Guy B. Meredith]

I took V4's query not to be terribly serious as some reactions here are. :uhoh:

We currently have a tribe of turkeys loitering and littering (brown and white golf ballish thingees) and I am beginning to consider cutting my grocery bill. Of course I will acertain that it is indeed machette and kukri season for turkeys within city limits.

I might feel a bit guilty about harvesting such gullible critters, but then what's the difference between that and domestic?? Heck there is even debate about the non-migrating mallards and Canadian geese that clutter the local landscape.


(Aside to self--where's my Arkansas stone?)

[Preacherman]

There is, of course, the famous local hunter who went off one morning to bag his Christmas turkey. He duly found his spot, called it in, and shot it - using an extra-full turkey choke, and a Brenneke rifled slug that had somehow made its way into his shotgun magazine!

The choke hit the turkey on its way downrange, killing it quite satisfactorily. Unfortunately, it (and the remains of the slug) did so in the middle of the body, which made for a spectacular but somewhat fragmentary end to the poor bird. What remained was basically turkey burger with feathers . . . :D

[bearmgc]

V4, check the laws on the hunting season for turkeys, then check if you can hunt in your area where your property is located. Check regs for which sex of the bird that is legal. For TOMs its usually those with a visible beard that's legal. Check if rifles are allowed in your area for turkey for the season. Wyoming allows rifles for turkey with 22mag minimum. You can do head shots if you're up to it. Otherwise, shoot barely thigh level on the bird and you'll have good meat for cooking, using a .243 or downloaded .270-30cal. I just learned this, this spring season.

[BullfrogKen]

V4VendettaI am (a responsible adult). I have never used drugs, or drank alcohol or smoke tobacco unlike countless other people including presidents.

I try to stay away from most of your threads, but this comment really caught my attention and riled me up. You have some odd thoughts about what it takes to be a responsible adult.

You managed to insult me twice in a week. First by suggesting I didn't "truly walk the high road" because I'm not as eager as you to forfeit my life for strangers in a wierd battle you conjured up. Now, because I enjoy my pipe, or a fine glass of scotch and premium cigar, I'm irresponsible.

Your posts usually come from left field frankly, but I can deal with that when I take the time to read them.

I have concerns over your maturity. I remember you inquiring about how you could get a gun last year before you turned 18, because your anti-gun Dad wouldn't buy it for you. I don't agree you have an anti-gun Dad, I suggest maybe he feels you aren't mature enough for one yet. Seeing you dwell on ways you can use it to kill something over the past week leads me to the same conclusion.

As far as being responsible. . . Have you gotten your driver's license yet? you would have had a lot easier task buying a gun locally if you were able to produce an unexpired form of ID.

And, dude, I DO remember the shoot you organized at your parent's property without the courtesy of telling them first. It wasn't until several posts, DEEP into the invitation, that you revealed you didn't have a gun. Then it became apparent this was a ruse to get folks to drive over and bring their arms so you could try them out first before purchasing. I have no problem letting a new shooter try my stuff, I'll supply the ammo. But you weren't up front with the way you handled that whole thing. Did you even reimburse them for their ammo? Or did you bring your own?

Those are signs of immaturity. Wanting to go shoot a turkey hanging around your house because it is there is a sign of immaturity.

You aren't a newby here anymore. You've got what, eight times as many posts as me?

[Lupinus]

Guys, I must say, lay off. He asked a really stupid question. Have you never asked a stupid question? I'm sure he isn't the first guy to want blast a turkey with a rifle. Yes it was a really dumb question, yes some of his ideas and stuff of late have been out there you. But I'm sure you, even the ones giving him a hard time, have asked stupid questions or had ideas pop into your head that were out there especially at early points that he is at. So he racked up a lot of posts before buying his first gun. You had no interest before buying yours? We weren't all lucky enough to be given a .22 by dad for Christmas and then going shooting all the time with him. I spent a lot of time on boards before I got out shooting for the first time since I was ten or so.

Ven. Go to wally world, get one of them little books that has all the hunting regs in it. While people should lay off and not bite your head off, it was a stupid question which you could have very easily answered yourself with a little time and common sense that there are seasons and local laws you need to follow. While I'm saying people need to lay off you need to understand you have been out in left field lately and get with it a bit more. You've asked if you can blast a turkey with an AK variant, common sense should have told you not the best idea and that there is a turkey season also that you can't just do it from your back porch. This in light of wanting to buy a three dollar laser pointer to slap on. It takes more to consider yourself a responsible adult then not using drugs and such. It means also learning to slow down, step out of left field, not jump the gun so much, and take the advice of older and wiser out there along with just using some of your god given common sense and some google for answers.

So in short, guys there is no reason to bite his head off. He asked a stupid question nothing I'm sure plenty here haven't themselves done. And ven, you need to grow up a bit more, apply some more common sense, and look for a few answers that are right there if you take a few minutes to look.

[Byron Quick]

Hey, Guy!

Let us know how using a kukri or a machete to hunt the 'gullible' turkey turns out...OK?

where do you live? Maybe we could get a camera crew to accompany you. Oh, California...

[Lupinus]

Bryon, you may be on to something with the next great internet video lol

[bearmgc]

Do a search /google for NC Game and Fish for hunting regulations. Do the right thing and get all the info to make a responsible decision. Most importantly, check to see if you need to complete a Hunter Safety Course before you can get a hunting license. Most states require this, and the things taught there help to give you the big picture on all the responsibilities of becoming a hunter.:)

[V4Vendetta]

"You managed to insult me twice in a week. First by suggesting I didn't "truly walk the high road" because I'm not as eager as you to forfeit my life for strangers in a wierd battle you conjured up. Now, because I enjoy my pipe, or a fine glass of scotch and premium cigar, I'm irresponsible."

That is bull. I have nothing against somebody enjoying a drink/smoke now & then. I object to the people who drink too much & end up living on welfare because employers won't let them drink 40oz bottles of beer at work. I object to idiots like my grandpa who although a great fellow to be around, kept smoking after 2 heart attacks & having cancer cut out of his throat. However, if I really offended you, it was not my intention & I apologize.:)

"As far as being responsible. . . Have you gotten your driver's license yet?"

Can't. Somebody broke the brake light on my car so I have to get that fixed before I can take the test.

"Wanting to go shoot a turkey hanging around your house because it is there is a sign of immaturity."

I'm surprised you can't find the flaw in your reasoning. Why bother to go all the way to some place to hunt turkeys that is a 6 hour drive away, when you have one right in your own backyard?:confused:

"I DO remember the shoot you organized at your parent's property without the courtesy of telling them first."

This is bull also. I've already said this once & I'm only going to say this one more time so pay attention. IT'S OUR PROPERTY. I loaned them a significant amount of money so they could buy it. I told them what was going to happen so if they didn't want to be around, I gave them a out. Right now if I wanted, I could host another shoot & they wouldn't have any say in the matter. However because I love them I give them a say & tolerate it.

"It wasn't until several posts, DEEP into the invitation, that you revealed you didn't have a gun. Then it became apparent this was a ruse to get folks to drive over and bring their arms so you could try them out first before purchasing. I have no problem letting a new shooter try my stuff, I'll supply the ammo. But you weren't up front with the way you handled that whole thing. Did you even reimburse them for their ammo? Or did you bring your own?"

Countless times I had some friends over for launching model rockets here even though I didn't have any. That hobby just wasn't my thing. I never charged them anything for using my land & I could have because you have to have a certain type of place to launch rockets because if you don't have enough of a cleared out area, you can hit a tree & set them on fire. My point is I was inviting people to shoot so that they wouldn't have to pay $40 or so at a range. If I got to shoot fine, if not fine.

Mods, please close this thread now. I see no way to regain peace.

[Correia]

'Card, which one of us is the otherwise reasonable adult who gets mad at teenagers now? :D BWA HA HA HA HA HA!

Just messing with you man. :p (I'm the one that got ticked that I "didn't walk the high road" in that other thread).

[bowfin]

'Card,

If someone has made over 800 posts and you have, by and large, found no value in them, do you think you will enjoy reading his next one? If not, do you plan on reading it anyway? If so, why???

'V4Vendetta,

As for shooting a turkey off your back porch, why not make it the challenge both you and the turkey deserve? Go get a permit, a shotgun, then go out in the woods, and square off with one, so you have a good adventure and some stories to go with your turkey dinner?

[V4Vendetta]

"As for shooting a turkey off your back porch, why not make it the challenge both you and the turkey deserve? Go get a permit, a shotgun, then go out in the woods, and square off with one, so you have a good adventure and some stories to go with your turkey dinner?"


If I do decide to go get the turkey, that's what I'll do. I just believe that if it's on your property, it should be fair game. Permit or not.

['Card]

'Card, which one of us is the otherwise reasonable adult who gets mad at teenagers now?
*chuckle*

OK, you got me. I'm not practicing what I was preaching very well, am I? :uhoh:

The thing is, THR has such a large base of active members that I think it's hard sometimes for people to keep track of different names and who did what - I know it is for me. Because of that, people may miss a developing pattern of behavior and take some posters (without mentioning any names) more seriously than is warranted. This guy is just a name that stuck with me because I was one of the people who thought about attending his organized shoot. He was obviously young, and I thought it might be fun to drive up there and help him out - then later I couldn't help but think about how mortified I would have been to have driven all that way and then found out we didn't have permission to use the property.

Just a word of warning to you THR mods, though... I'm an old fart, but I'm also a gamer, so I've been stuck with mod duties on a lot of internet gaming forums where we see a lot of guys like this. Typically, once they're addicted to attention, it doesn't always matter to them if it's negative attention or positive attention. Sometimes calling them on it helps, but most of the time unfortunately it doesn't.

[BullfrogKen]

bowfin said: As for shooting a turkey off your back porch, why not make it the challenge both you and the turkey deserve? Go get a permit, a shotgun, then go out in the woods, and square off with one, so you have a good adventure and some stories to go with your turkey dinner?

I doubt the young man is interested in taking up the sport of hunting as you suggest, or he would have made his first purchase a sporting arm. No . . . I reckon he is eager to kill something and is using the turkey as an excuse. It could be a wandering dog, a bird, any excuse will do.


V4,
I've come across kids who shot at anything that moved with pellet rifles just to do it. Some matured when their Dad talked to them about ethics, some didn't and it was broken against a tree. Others never learn.

You seemed MUCH too eager to own gun, and bordered on begging someone to sell you anything on the for sale board. Your posts lately revolve around using a firearm to take the life of animals or "zombies", which is a convenient term you're using to devalue the life of a human being so taking it can be justified. Staying up late at night dwelling on scenarios you might be justified in taking a life doesn't seem to disturb you?

I still think you should have used that money to fix your brake light and get your license. We all think it sucks to have to take a morning to go to the Dept of Motor Vehicles to deal with it, but that's what adults have to do. It'll be worse when you get cited for a broken brake light, and driving on an expired license. With the posts you've accumulated, you have difficulty selling me that you are short on time. But that's just me and my opinion.

[Art Eatman]

V4V, two things:

1. The state says it owns all wildlife. You own the land. You will obey the state's laws concerning wildlife, or life will go hard for you. That's the way it is, and will always be, and you're wasting your time and THR's bandwidth to carry it any further.

Until you can mobilize 50.01% of the electorate to elect representatives who think as you do, you're stuck with The Way It Is. Call it "reality" and go on down the road.

2. You've gotten some good answers about learning what you can and can't do insofar as hunting. Why argue with folks who are in the category of BTDT and you aren't?

Nobody objects to questions, but when one who is admittedly ignorant goes to arguing against reality, the reaction can be--and likely will be--somewhat contemptuous. Why put yourself in that position?

I'll be 72 years old, come July. I started rattin' around in the woods with a .22 rifle when I was seven. It's sorta hard for me to pay attention to the accumulated wisdom of eighteen years. :) See, everybody has an equal right to an opinion--but not all opinions are created equal.

:), Art

[V4Vendetta]

"I couldn't help but think about how mortified I would have been to have driven all that way and then found out we didn't have permission to use the property."


You aren't paying attention. See my above post.

"No . . . I reckon he is eager to kill something and is using the turkey as an excuse. It could be a wandering dog, a bird, any excuse will do."

That is <Low Road removed by Art>. I just figured it would be neat to go turkey hunting. Now I'm tired of this crap so I'm NOT going to hunt the turkey. It can go strut around the woods until doomsday or whatever.

"You've gotten some good answers about learning what you can and can't do insofar as hunting. Why argue with folks who are in the category of BTDT and you aren't?"

Who's arguing? I'm just stating my beliefs in a polite manner. Card & bullfrog are the instigators.

[Matt G]

http://www.wildturkeyzone.com/hunting/States/ncarolina.htm

I don't see any reg on shotgun-only, and I'm not motivated enough to look. Here in Texas, rifles are fine for turkey.

Why is everyone assuming V4Vendetta is intent on violating the law?

[V4Vendetta]

"Why is everyone assuming V4Vendetta is intent on violating the law?"

I don't know. Maybe their high:D . ROFL. That's my joke of the day.

[kentucky_smith]

Here, V4, enlighten yourself.


http://www.wildlife.state.nc.us/pg02_Regs/pg2a1.pdf

Turkey regs are on page 4.


You have to use a shotgun.
Hope this isn't considered a "knee-jerk reaction" :rolleyes:

[Art Eatman]

V4V said, "Card & bullfrog are the instigators."

V4V, if you feel somebody has given you personal insult, you tell me. You do not respond in kind. There is email and there is the Personal Message feature if you care to go one-on-one with anybody. You will not do it in open forum.

That's non-negotiable; you have no choice. Let me add that this applies to all posters in this forum. (And as usual, if the shoe don't fit, don't force it. :) )

This thread has gone more than far enough...

Art