Supernova Aesthetics???

Do you think the receiver looks good?

What kind of supernova are you describing - this kind??? :confused:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gamma/images/cosm_supernova2_large.jpg

??:scrutiny:

I'm guessing he means this supernova.

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/supernova.tpl


And no, I prefer the looks of the regular Nova.

I voted assuming you were talking about the Benelli Supernova, and no I don't care for it. I don't like the squared off trigger guard or the lines on the receiver. Trigger guard kind of reminds me of the Franchi I-12. Looks like someone drilled a hole in a scap piece of metal and attached it to the gun.

The front of the trigger guard looks like it would be an excellent guide for loading without looking down while shouldered. It angles right into the port. Might not be pretty, but it looks very practical to me. I'd like to handle one and see if it works as well as it looks.

In my expiernce the whole nova experiment has failed miserably. I work/volunteered at a trap range for three years. I saw just about every kind of failure you can have with a scattergun. We saw 61 failures in 85 novas owned by club members. About 75% were bolt head failures from heavy fire. the remiander was a mixture of failed springs, one broken trigger, a bent action bar and split stock. there was only one KB and that was attributed to a wad stuck in teh barrel. Overall we were dissapointed with them as a whole. When i moved away olny 1 memebr still owned a nova. As a comparison, there were 167 remington 870s in the club. 1 case jammed in the barrel (needed gunsmith work to remove it) 2 extractor failures and 1 split choke. There were a handful of other pumps but not enough to be statistically accurate. I cant count the single and double barrel guns in the club but had to be over 300. the onlt failure we saw with those was extrcator wear after LARGE number of rounds.

SW

SW - How did you know the numbers so precisely? I'm just curious, since our "trap club" only keeps track of members, and lots of us shoot a variety of different guns. Were you guys keeping some sort of database, and if so, what was the purpose?

Eighty-five dedicated trapshooters from one club using Novas!? Anything's possible I guess but this claim has a bogus smell to it.

And no, I prefer the looks of the regular Nova.
I'm with you. The new one looks too much like Star Wars.

We had to keep track for insurance purposes. Dont ask me i wasnt there when they did the deal for the policy. I thought it was stupid. all we had to was write down pump, break open auto etc on the shoot form for each round. One of the older club members told me it had to do with the insurance company not wanting to insure for people using "automatic" shotguns. Stupidity in extreme. Any "incident" on the firing line had to be recorded and logged with the insurace comapny in case of a lawsuit. Once a year id go back through and count gun types and failures.

SW

Do I think the receiver looks good? Not just NO, ... well, you know the rest no doubt.

lpl/nc (that thing is UGLY)

Not just the receiver, I don't anything about the gun.

Post a pic of the box, maybe I'll like it. The box has got to better looking, more functional , and ergos are a given to be better.

I'd rather own and and shoot an old Beretta 303 that fell off a truck on a gravel road than that thing.

Question was asked, just being honest.

I like the receiver okay, it's the rest of the gun I don't like the looks of. JT

silicon wolverine: Are you saying that you belonged to a trap club where 85 members used Novas and 167 members used 870s (total of 252 pump guns with just these two brands cited)? And that out of the 85 Novas, way over half of them broke down for one reason or another?

Pump shotguns are not the usual gun of choice for most trap shooters anymore, so I have to assume that your club must be a big one indeed. I'm curious as to where this cub is located and what the name of it is. Also, do you have any hard evidence regarding the failure rates of the shotguns you claim experienced breakdowns?

Benelli’s SuperNova is a totally new modular concept pump-action shotgun, that is quickly convertible into a wide range of special purpose guns.

Totally new!!! ROTFLMAO. What a novel idea!

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/870wing%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/870exp_slug%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/05_870spst_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/smsil_tac8701.jpg

That said, it does seem that Benelli has been reading the shotgun forums.:)

For the uninitiated, that's not a Benelli Supernova, that's a Remington Superno. . . err 870 in few different configurations. ;)

When I first read this blurb on the Remington website, I thought, "What a bunch of silly marketing hype!"

If the Model 870™ were introduced today, it would be hailed as a major advance in pump-action shotgun design...

Yet this remarkable shotgun has been around for almost half a century, and has become the best-selling shotgun of any type in history, with over six million made.

But now I've changed my mind. I think Remington is actually right. Benelli helped me see the light.:D

Ok, so the guy that invented the Vegematic now pimps for Benelli.

Disregard marketing hype. Especially that sneering at 1950s Technology.

Here's some 1950s technology to compare the 870 with.

The Colt Python.

S&W Model 19.

Leo Fender's Stratocaster. And his two best amps,the Super Reverb and the Twin.

Gibson's Les Paul guitar, and their ES 335/345/355 series.

All of these are classics, rarely equalled and hardly ever surpassed.

Same with the 870.

And when the last No Va (Spanish for doesn't go) is junked, the owner may console him or her self by thinking that his Great-Grandad's 870 is still working perfectly......

Swampwolf- the club was located in Dickinson ND. The name was "Dakota trapshooters Assn." I stress 'was' because last year (i left the club in 2003) a man was killed when a mossberg 500 exploded after he loaded a 20Ga shell in front of a 12 ga. No one would insure the club anymore and it closed. At the peak memeber ship was over 700 people. I was in error in the types of guns listed as well there were other pumps around but not enought to have a useable statistical number. therefore i left them out. Most of our shooters were casual shooters or hunters so we saw a high number of pump guns. There was also a dealer in town that pushed those two models as they were the most proiftable so there was a disporportionate amount of them comapred to other guns. There were the usual hardcore trappers that shot break actions but they were a minority. As to the documentation im sure it ended up with the last treasuerer of the club cause that was the person that handled all the paperwork issues. Ill try to get ahold of him and see if he still has it or what happend to it. And yes there WERE that many failures of Nova's. I have nothing aginst Beretta i just think this particular model is not up to par.


SW

I called our old tresuerer and he said he has no idea where the old paperwork is. It was left in the clubhouse when it closed and its not there anymore. They plan to reopen the club spring of 2007 if they can get an insurer. He said they are in negotiations with one right now but it isnt looking good. They want to restrict the club to "purpose built trap guns only". Im assuming that means break actions but who knows. Sounds like BS but thats insurace comapnies for you. Im going up that direction in a month or two and ill see if dig anything else for you guys.

SW

Dave-

I hope you didn't think I was sneering at 1950's technology. I think the 870 is one of the great firearm designs in history, up there with the original Colt revolvers, the Henry/Winchester lever action, the 1911, and the AR-15.

I'm an 870 owner who has no desire to get a Benelli pump. I was sneering at Benelli's hype. They build a plastic shotgun that can't be adjusted, fitted, or even repaired, thus inferior functionally to every single shotgun built since the advent of the breechloader. Then they separate the stock and receiver into two pieces, and call it revolutionary? What a joke!

Probably marketed at the behest of Beretta to make the UGB25 (http://www.ugb25xcel.com/) look more mainstream.

Bear, I too was sneering at Benelli's marketing. Not thee.

Between this and Beretta's UGB, I wonder what they're smoking in Brescia ....

I can't say that I like it.

(trying to be non-biased)

On the other hand, one of the biggest gripes everyone had about the Nova was the integral stock that couldn't be changed or altered. Benelli makes an attempt to correct this and gets slammed for it? :confused: If you click on Standard Features it even has a set of shims available to adjust drop and cast.

While they haven't squeezed out an exact copy of the 870, at least the R&D and design folks are working to improve their offerings.

As for it being ugly, who really cares. Form (the shotguns, not yours) should follow function anyway. I'd rather be dry in an ugly boat than ankle deep in water in a pretty one.

While I don't much care for the regular Novas, and find the SuperNova to be even more aesthetically challenged, IMO this is getting downright silly.

Wow! Ad copy which overhypes the features of the products they're trying to sell. Who would have thought of such a thing? I'm shocked. Gee, let's poke fun at Beretta for trying something new with a trap gun. I've never seen any other funny looking trap guns.

:rolleyes:

At least the Beretta would appear to be adaptable to belt feed.

I like mine alot. So does Guns & Ammo

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/long_guns/benelliSN_073106/

Got it this week. Benelli Supernova Tactical (there's that T word again) with evil pistol grip, ghost ring sites, and +2 magazine. The barrel was a dull black parker color that did not even come close to matching the rest of the gun, something I was a bit dissapointed with, right out of the box. I cured that right away with DuraCoat Combat Black. NOW it looks like it should!

http://www.watkinsflying.com/cow/nova1.jpg

http://www.watkinsflying.com/cow/nova2.jpg

It's truly a beefy beast, made for 3 1/2 inch shells! It has a very solid feel too. Mongo like Supernova! DuraCoat saves the day YET AGAIN!

Before I even say anything the only shotgun I own is an 870(in defense of myself here.)


I like both the Supernova and the Beretta, it is interesting to see gun designers come up with something new, while making a shotgun modular isn't a new concept it is interesting to see Benelli's take on it. Also as someone else said they are responding to the shooting public, we didn't like the Nova because it wasn't modular and now they are coming out with a version that is. In today's world of declining customer service a company that listens to the shooting public should be praised imo.

I just picked up my Benelli Super Nova tactical last week. I like it. I think it looks great. To each his own though. If you want an 870-buy the 870. I wanted this particular firearm so that's what I bought. I don't plan to shoot trap with it, so it should work fine. LOL

I've had a Benelli Nova for a few years now...and I couldn't be happier with it. When I bought it I was looking for something that I could take to the range and shoot all day with 2 3/4 inch shells and still be able to take it out duck/goose hunting and throw some heavy duty shot out there. In the classic sense of shotgun aesthetics its definitely out there, but it works for me. I have put plenty of rounds through it and have yet to have a problem. I've beat the piss out of that gun more than a few times when out hunting and it just seems to keep kicking...as a trap gun, its not the best, but who buys a pump gun for serious trap shooting...in my opinion, i applaud the effort for making something that looks different. I own more than one 870 and when situation dictates it, I'd much rather have my nova, especially when it comes to shooting 3.5 inch mags...just my opinion though....as far as the super nova goes, they saw some issues, and heard about others and made an attempt to fix them to please their client base, some people will like the gun, and others won't...can't really fault them for trying to improve and not abandoning a product they saw potential in...I guess, if you're looking for a classic looking shotgun, go buy an 870 wingmaster (used)...some of the best looking pump guns I've used, beautiful stocks and made back in the day when a shotgun could be both inexpensive (relatively) and still be a work of art...but you wouldn't catch me with that thing strapped to the front of a 4 wheeler tearing through the brush...my shotgun is a tool and a means to an end, for what it is its more successful than the others I've used and owned

I think it looks bitchin'.

4 years, 2 months between post #30 and #31. That has to be a record.

haha, sorry, just saw it there and didn't realize the time gap until i typed out that whole message....so i figured why not try to bring this up and see if the ideas have changed towards a gun that i have enjoyed a lot

No, but does it matter??? :confused: :rolleyes:

no, not really, i like mine and thats all that really matters, just curious to see if others have warmed to the idea