Why does Wolf ammo have a bad rap?

[Duramaximum]

How good is Wolf ammo for just plinking on a scale of 1-10? Everyone seems to "sideways remark" that it isn't very good at all. What do you think? Thanks!

[gulogulo1970]

It has worked fine for me. It is a little dirty and some of the old stuff really stinks up the place.

[Zach S]

Its weak. Its dirty. It stinks. Otherwise I dont have any problems with it.

[unspellable]

Over on the Luger forum we had a couple examples of the 9 mm stuff going over pressure and damaging one gun and locking up another. One blew the extractor out of the Luger. (Contrary to rumours from some quarters, the Luger will take more pressure than most pistols.) The other was a Smith & Wesson and it took three men and a dog to get the action open and clear it.

They also have a reputation for sticking in the chamber.

[waterhouse]

I've fired many thousand rounds of wolf. I shoot it less since I've started reloading, but I never had any problems with it in 9mm, .45, .223, or .22.

[eastwood44mag]

It's just about as dirty as you can possibly get. I've shot it in .223, 7.62x39, and .45. Cleaning is a beast, and the .45 had some feeding problems. No complaints with the rest.

[wally]

No problems in any of my .45s. I've shot at least 10 cases of the stuff in the last couple of years. Since I'm finding it hard to make time to reload, I'd be shooting a whole lot less if it weren't for Wolf.

What does "weak" have to do with plinking ammo? The new stuff (polymer coated cases in stead of lacquer coated) doesn't seem any dirter than other low end factory ball and doesn't have that urine-like smell after shooting that some of the older lots did. I doubt you'd win any bullseye matches with the stuff (excepting their .22 match ammo which IMHO is not cheap enough for plinking and gives me dime sized groups at 50 yrds in my 10/22 rifle) but it sure knocks the steel plates down real good!

--wally.

[Desk Jockey]

I have no experience with it (didn't vote), but...

The owner's manual on my Baby Eagle .45 says "We do not recommend the use of these ammunitions: Wolf (lacquered steel cases, poor QC) and Sellier & Bellot (very "dirty" ammunition)."

[Clean97GTI]

Wolf has never been a problem in any of my guns. Dirtier than most, but its cheap. Cleaning supplies are a whole lot cheaper than ammo.

[Tigerseye]

The laquered steel case Wolf pistol ammo is sometimes difficult to extract. I think it has to do with steel being less "elastic" than brass. I have no experience with polymer coated Wolf.

[orangeninja]

I've never used poly coated wolf, but the old stuff used to give my Glock 22 and Ruger P94 fits. It would get really gummy in the chamber and you would get FTE every once in a while....it was a real pain to clean and inconsistant loads, some hot, some not. My brother also has a squib every once in a while...at least once while we were shooting it out of his Glock 23.

Not only that, but it's not a whole lot cheaper. www.ammoman.com has 500 rounds for $85.00 in .40 and you can walk into any Academy Sports in Texas and buy 2 boxes of Remington UMC for $42.50 a box, that's 500 rounds for $85.00.

For the quality, I'll spend a couple extra bucks a case, but frequently you don't have to.

[Vitamin G]

I think its a good value in plinking ammo... particularly in 7.62x39. My SAR-1 eats it and loves it. Never a problem.

With the price of WWB, i'll stick with brass cased ammo in .223. I tried wolf once and a fired case got caught in the chamber, and i had to pound it out by taking a dowel into the barrel and tapping gently when i got home, ending the session.

S&B and WWB is only a few dollars more in .45acp and 9mm, so i'll stick with the brass since i can reload it.

Wolf doesn't make 10mm... And .22lr is FAR from "plinking" ammo, so its unfair to judge it in that area.

[USP4Me]

I bought a case of 1000 rounds of .45acp from Cheaper Than Dirt, luckily with a full money back guarantee. Out of the first box, I had 10 misfires (light primer strikes), several stovepipes, and that atrocious ammonia smell in an indoor range was too much. I boxed up the remaining ammo (around 960 rounds) and sent it back. I was shooting this through my Glock 21.

['Card]

I like it a lot, and my XD-45ACP seems to like it a lot as well. We've been through about 500 rounds of Wolf ammo together, and haven't had a single problem so far. It may very well smell bad - the range where I shoot is extremely well-ventilated so I wouldn't notice. It is definitely dirty, but I enjoy cleaning my gun (and my gun is easy to clean - which may be a factor) so that hasn't been a problem either.

*shrug*

Some people may turn their nose up at it, but I'm cool with that. Leaves more boxes on the rack for me to save money on.

[nyresq]

stinky and dirty.... but cheap. as long as you shoot at an outdoor range its not a problem (untill cleaning time). but for cheap plinking it can't be beat.

[Seven High]

Examine a Wolf case in the area of the rim. Compare it with a case from another mfg. You should see a significant difference. This difference will cause extraction problems when your weapon is dirty. I have also had cases stuck in the chambers of my G22 and Sig Pro. I will not buy anymore Wolf.

[CajunBass]

I've never shot it in anything but a Makarov, but it's worked pretty good in that. Reliable, accurate, and doesn't seem to smell or to be any dirtier than other ammo's.

[lowracer]

My Glock 21 eats it like candy. Smoky, dirty, and loud, with a smell like burning yak hair. Makes me want to clean my guns afterward.

[steveracer]

....the Wolf stuff is pretty great for plinking. It's important to note that the last two years or so and newer wolf stuff has a polymer coated case, not laquer. The laquer sucked big time, and caused major problems with my Sig 220, and my 1911s. The polymer stuff is actually SMOOTHER than brass in it's finish, and it slides out of the chamber really very well.
I like the .223, and the 9mm, a lot, as I fire those in high volume. I can pick up spent cases with a magnet, so I don't spend all that time bent over grabbing brass. That aspect alone makes me prefer Wolf for range use.
Yes, it's dirty, but like most military men, I'm fanatical about cleaning my guns.
We ran over 2000 rounds of wolf 9mm through my semi-auto Uzi, and it ran perfect. (of course, the Uzi will cycle rocks if you put them in the magazine, but this shows that the wolf being dirty doesn't necessarily much things up.)

[Mad Magyar]

I noticed that Chas. Petty, in Guns, who does a lot of ammo reviews had some kind words for Wolf. Basically, he said they got a bad rap for the "dirty" tag attached to it...To paraphrase, "If you're cleaning your pistol, what difference does it make if its a little dirty or more dirty." He mentioned having some tight shooting groups...
I will admit that I walk right by it at Guns Shows only because of the reputation whether it's a "little or big dirty".:scrutiny:

[M2 Carbine]

I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf but the fact that the question about the quality of Wolf ammo comes up so often is a good indication that there is a big problem with the ammo.

This is another good indication.
New Wolf .223 jamming in the chamber so tight that it takes a good hit from a steel cleaning rod to knock it loose.

I'll use Wolf in my AK but nothing else anymore.

New Wolf in Kel Tec PLR-16.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Wolf223extractor.jpg

[raz-0]

Wolf isn't really a manufacturer. They contract the manufacture out to places they find to make it.

When wolf started, they were contracting out to someplace that had pretty poor QA and they specified a laquered steel case. This resulted in poor quality ammo that gunged things up pretty badly.

Fast forward to about the last 1.5 years, and wolf has REALLY pulled themselves together. Switched from laquer to polymer coatings on their cases, and they upped the power on their .223 ammo so taht it makes minor power factor even out of my 16" carbine length AR with a 5.56 chamber. It's even not too terribly dirty.

in the early days, the pistol stuff was inconsistent and sometimes you could push the bullets in with your finger. Which does bad things for pressure. These days the only thing wrong with their pistol ammo is it still smells nastier than most and is DIRTY. To put dirty in perspective, one of the guys from the local USPSA crowd was going about 2000 rounds before having to clean his glock to avoid extraction or feed issues. With the wolf he was running into the same issues at about 1000 rounds. This was .40 S&W ammo, PMC and blazer vs. wolf.

After wolf got their act together on the .223 ammo, it's what I have primarily been putting through my ar. From chatting with people who have burned a lot more than i, the worst thing they ahe run into is their ejector wearing faster. The cost of the rebuild kit was saved multiple times over on the first case of ammo though. Biggest problem I have had is they put a HP round in one of my FMJ boxes.

[igorts]

no problems with 9mm, more cleaning may be...

[WayneConrad]

I was there when a round of Wolf 7.62x39 torched through its primer. The hot gasses leaving the primer bent the firing pin enough to clear the firing pin stop and go flying backwards out of the bolt. The receiver cover intercepted the firing pin before it could contact my nephew's face.

This was about a year ago. It was the polymer coated stuff.

[Edgeofthewoods]

For plinking and stuff the Wolf does just fine. dirty to the point of Black powder but it works. Now compared to te surplus stuf it is a dream!!

Chuck

[possum]

I've shot 1000rds in an ar-15 that i once owned, and alomst that many in my ak, and sks, it definetly ain't match grade stuff but it is great for cqb drills and rapid fire exercises where alot of ammo is gonna be expended. i normally limit the use to about 200 meters, but overall i like it alot. the fact that it is really dirty dosen't bother me. i love to clean my guns!:) i was planning on trying some wolf 9mm in my ruger.

[denfoote]

I voted 10 with the following qualification: my policy on Wolf ammo is commie ammo for commie guns.

Wolf is best for what it was designed for: comblock guns.












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[Frenchy]

I've run it exclusively through my Rock Island with no problems. It is dirty, but no dirtier than the PMP South African that I had used for years.

[Manedwolf]

At least with the older stuff, with an indoor range, making the place smell like an unclean litter box isn't exactly a way to endear yourself to fellow shooters and the range owner.

[cookekdjr]

The 22lr ammo is some of the best you can buy.
The 7.62x39 ammo is typical Russian Mil-spec.
The semi-auto pistol rounds tend to jam in SOME pistols, and aren't as uniform in performance as typical American bulk-pack.
All of it smells bad.

[Werewolf]

My experience with Wolf has been good.

When I owned a Glock 22 that's all I shot out of it. A couple thousand rounds easy with nary a problem. That sucker went bang each and every time I pulled the trigger (and at least three times it went bang twice with one trigger pull :what: ). OTOH I did clean that G22 after every time I fired it whethe I'd fired just 50 rounds or 200.

I don't have the Glock anymore but I do have a CZ-75B SA that I shoot regularly in IPSC and all it gets fed is Wolf .40 S&W 180gr. In the last two years I have experienced no problems with the Wolf ammo I use and unlike the G22 I've gotten a bit lazy and I only clean the CZ about once every 3 months or so.

I like Wolf - good ammo for the price. :D

[Kevinch]

I've shot the 9x18 stuff out of my Makarov without much of an issue.

I bought a box of .45ACP (this was years ago) & proceded to pop a few rounds out of a 3" CDP Kimber. It seemed hot.

I shot the rest of the box out of an all steel 5" gun, never bought another box of .45ACP. Also, I agree with all the other posts: dirty & stinky.:barf:

[larry starling]

My shooting partner and I burned up a case of the stuff no issues at all. It was all .45 ACP and other than being dirty functioned fine....:D

[rfurtkamp]

I'm at thousands upon thousands of rounds personally used - if it's not 100k yet, it will be soon.

The shop here has sold ten or twenty times that and other than people who read something bad on the internet and were 'scared', there have been zero actual complaints or returns from customers.

I shoot it in preference in handgun calibers for plinking or large-sale practice over WWB et al - I've had worse luck with WWB than any other ammo out there and will not allow it in my guns any more.

[MountainPeak]

SNOBBERY is the REAL answer!

[Hogfan1911]

Haven't shot a lot of Wolf centerfire, but had no problems w/it in 45, 9, or 7.62x39. Have shot a lot of S&B w/no problems, didn't seem any dirtier than UMC or Winchester's "white box" stuff & was just as accurate. Have shot Wolf's 22LR target load out of my heavy-barreled 10/22 & it out performed everything else, including the Remington stuff that Eley loads for them. One ragged hole at 50 yds if I do my part.

[grendelbane]

Wolf quality has improved noticeably in the last few years. The new polymer stuff is decent blasting ammo.

In the last week I have run 250 rounds of Wolf .45 through my new AR. Reliablility was 100 %. Accuracy seemed to be quite adequate.

When I had the 5.56 mm upper on the same lower, I had the same results.

My 9mm AR also likes a diet of Wolf.

I only shoot outdoorts, so I don't notice the odor as much.

[TxCajun]

In my SKS and Mak only. Those guns are designed around the stuff.

[Harold Mayo]

I've used it for years with no problems of any sort. 9mm, .45 ACP, .223 have all worked fine. A little dirtier and much more smelly than other ammo but fine for what it is. As for "weak" or inconsistent, I used Wolf .223 in my Bushmaster Varminter and got 100 yd groups that could be covered with a dime and have plenty of room to spare.

And Wolf doesn't cause premature extractor wear. I've measured extractors used micrometers and have found no measurable wear after thousands of rounds of Wolf 9mm in hi-powers.

[denfoote]

I just got through blasting off 100 rounds of Wolf 9X18 in my Pistolet Makarova.

It's accurate stuff!!! Of course, the pistol was designed to fire Wolf ammo!!! :evil:

[Koobuh]

Wolf is just fine, at least as good as WWB and S&B.
I shoot Comblock milsurp ammo all the time, and Wolf is a step up from that; not having to scrub your guns the same day occasionally is pleasant.

[JohnKSa]

Dirty, stinky, not too accurate.

The stuff I had shot ok but I can usually find better stuff cheaper.

[MrBigStuff]

with Wolf. It's the best of the " cheap stuff". I have extensive experience with the wolf out of Russia in 7.62 x 39. Nickel case and everything. No FTF or misfires.

[cbsbyte]

As stated by others Wolf does not make their ammo, they contract out to eastern European, and Russian ammo manufactures to make their ammo. The Wolf Russian made ammo I gave a 7. The new polymer ammo works fine for plinking in most guns, and especialy fine in Com bloc guns. The older laquer ammo would cause problems because in western designed guns the chamber is tighter spec, the melted laquer would built up in the chamber causing the case to stick. I have used both the laquer and new polymer in my Sks with no problems. I have also shot the poly version in my S&W 9mm without any problems. On the other hand, Wolf will not function in my AR at all, it is too underpowered to cycle the bolt. As noted Wolf Russian ammo is pretty dirty and smells of sulfer. It is also typicaly underpowered compared to American or other European ammo. Wolf also has new line of higher end brass cased ammo coiming out which is made in Slovkia. They also contract out to Sk of Germany for their line of .22LR target ammo.

[Plink]

I've had good luck with some and bad luck with others. Wolf 9mm works fine in everything I've shot it in. It's a bit dirty, but no big deal to clean. Their .45 ACP is another story. I've shot it in several guns, even a Ruger P-97 that eats anything, and it has caused feed jams. It also leaves gummy red primer sealant all over things. The 7.62x39 loads aren't bad either, but I only shoot them in AK's and SKS's which don't seem to care about ammo.

None of it is terribly accurate, but it makes good plinking ammo if it works in your gun. The steel cases can be hard on extractors too.

[Pilgrim]

Shoots good in my Model 1911 pistols.

Pilgrim

[g56]

I've shot about 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 in my AK and SKS, and around 1,000 rounds through one of my ARs in 223, I've never had any problems of any kind. This has all been the polymer coated ammo, I've only shot a few boxes of the old lacquer coated stuff, but no problems with it either.

[heypete]

I've had good luck with it in 9mm Luger, 7.62x39mm, and .223 Remington.

I've had fantastic luck with it in .22LR. The .22LR Match Target is some of the finest ammo I've shot out of my 10/22. For whatever reason, the US market makes the vast majority of "high velocity", "hyper velocity", etc. .22LR, while the European market manufacturers some of the finest match grade .22LR ammunition in the world. Not sure why things ended up that way, but I have no qualms about importing high-quality, premium ammunition when few viable domestic options exist (I've heard mixed things about CCI Green Tag, and Federal .22LR bulk-packs don't work well for my rifle, so I've been nervous about getting Federal's match stuff).

I can get WWB 9mm 100-round value packs from Wal-Mart for about or just slightly more than it'd cost me to get Wolf shipped here. Same with the WWB .223 Rem. That, and I support a US based manufacturing company, which means a bit to me, and is worth that extra $5 or so at the end of the day.

Also, for some reason, a variety of Wolf calibers are not availble at major online vendors like Midway. There's been rumors abounding (some plausible, some absurd) about what happened to all the ammo...but the supply of WWB at the Wal-Mart has been steady and uninterrupted. Not sure what's going on with the Wolf ammo, but domestically-produced WWB and other ammo seems to be reasonably priced and widely available righ tnow, so I'm happy.

For 7.62x39mm, my SKS eats a steady diet of it. My Mosin, before I sold it, ate a steady diet of Polish mil-surp, but once that was consumed I was planning on getting Wolf 7.62x54r.

I'm looking to get into IPSC/IDPA type shooting, and don't want to waste perfectly good reloadable cases. Wolf 9mm is inexpensive, meets power factor for minor, can be easily picked up with a magnet, goes "bang" every time, and I don't have to break the bank to practice/compete as much as I'd like.

[Matchshot]

I agree. I started using the .22LR match target in my Trailside for a local pistol league and was delighted with the results. I asked the shop owner who owns the range to start stocking the ammo and was told he had heard that Wolf was poor quality ammo. I told him the .22 ammo wasw mad in Germany and was the most consistent easiest load ammo I had fired for the price through my pistol. He heard the same from at least one other person.

Here's hoping he stocks it. Otherwise, for me there is always Cabelas...:)

[Plinker007]

I came across this forum while in search of that wonderful Wolf ammo. If it is so bad, why is it on backorder everywhere? I am such a believer in wolf ammo that I order it by the case and have done so for many years. You can not find better plinking ammo for the money anywhere (and you obviously can not reload it any cheaper). I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds (no exaggeration) of this ammo with not one failure due to the ammo. I have shot hundreds and hundreds of rounds between cleanings through my sks and even my glock 35. They only problem I have ever heard of is when somebody has shot 223 wolf through an ar (must be kept clean) and then tried to shoot ball ammo after that. The steel case of the 223 in the wolf would not expand and therefore some of the "gunk" would blow back around the case. If you continued to shoot wolf, you would have no problem as long as you cleaned the rifle every time you were through shooting. If you tried to shoot surplus ball ammo through it after shooting the wolf, the case would expand and stick to the "gunk" and the softer metal of the rim of the case would tear from the extractor and the case would become stuck. So the moral of the story is not to mix ammo without cleaning. Wolf ammo is accurate enough for all open sight shots. Besides, we shoot it to blow stuff up, not to see how many bullets we can put through the same hole at 600 yards with it. That's when you grab the match grade ammo and a different gun all together.

[John G]

Why would anyone go 1000 or 2000 rounds without cleaning? Does cleaning cause some people physical pain? :confused:

[Plinker007]

Yes. Anytime you are in the neighborhood, feel free to drop by and clean any of my guns you wish. :p

[John G]

I'm not sure where your neighborhood is, but...okay. :)

If it helps you be more prepared, and ensures your guns go bang when supposed to, I'll be glad to do your job as a responsible gun owner. ;)

[JMusic]

You get what you pay for. Though I have not chrony'd any it seems weak. It is somewhat dirty but otherwise ok.
Jim

[Werewolf]

You can not find better plinking ammo for the money anywhere (and you obviously can not reload it any cheaper).YES YOU CAN. It costs me a bit less than $5 to reload 50 .45ACP with 230gr FMJ bullets that Chrono at 860 FPS.

Mind you I've shot a bunch of Wolf in .45, .40 and 9mm and it has always gone bang. I use the stuff in my CZ-75B SA .40 S&W when shooting IPSC and I put way more than my share of holes in the A zone with it but to say I can't reload better ammo cheaper is - well - just plain wrong.

That said I'd put my .45ACP reloads up against any factory ammo out there for reliability and accuracy and at about half the price you'll pay the dealer.

[bdutton]

I use wolf for .22 only. I shot a bit of it in .45 but it was stinky and I heard it is corrosive and uses steel shell cases.

For .22, it's great. Very accurate and cheap.

[heypete]

I use wolf for .22 only. I shot a bit of it in .45 but it was stinky and I heard it is corrosive and uses steel shell cases.

It does use steel casings, but is not corrosive. It's a pretty good plinking/practice round, and the pistol ammunition is not really any more or less accurate (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu6.htm) than any other round.

If you won't shoot it, I will. :evil:

For .22, it's great. Very accurate and cheap.

Seconded. It's some first-rate .22.

[raz-0]

They only problem I have ever heard of is when somebody has shot 223 wolf through an ar (must be kept clean) and then tried to shoot ball ammo after that. The steel case of the 223 in the wolf would not expand and therefore some of the "gunk" would blow back around the case. If you continued to shoot wolf, you would have no problem as long as you cleaned the rifle every time you were through shooting. If you tried to shoot surplus ball ammo through it after shooting the wolf, the case would expand and stick to the "gunk" and the softer metal of the rim of the case would tear from the extractor and the case would become stuck. So the moral of the story is not to mix ammo without cleaning.

Uhh, I dunno if wolf had anything to do with that. He might have just been shooting 5.56 ammo in a .223 gun. Myself I have a 5.56 chambered ar, and have shot a couple undred rounds of wolf, left it in the safe, and then taken it out and shot whatever I ahve handy. No issues. Certainly not ripping the case head off.

You can not find better plinking ammo for the money anywhere (and you obviously can not reload it any cheaper). for .223, pretty much. That's why i shoot it. For pistol, my reloads are cheaper per 1000 and of better quality much like others previously mentioned.

Why would anyone go 1000 or 2000 rounds without cleaning? Does cleaning cause some people physical pain?

a) You shoot a lot, you wind up cleaning a lot.
b)You shoot a lot fast, you tend to alter the temper of the barrel Harsh chemicals can actually do damage to the metal structure.
c) A decent gun should run with a case of ammo through it without issue.

I heard it is corrosive and uses steel shell cases.
Not corrosive, and it uses VERY MILD steel casings. It's not going to cause inordinate wear. Heck.. some of it is even boxer primed and can be reloaded. And you can pick it up with a magnet! ;) (It's true, and with the price of copper, and thus brass lately, something we might be seeing mre of).

[just one question]

It’s decent I used to use it exclusively but it’s just so dirty I couldn’t stand it. It got crud every where I could shoot 500 rounds of wwb if not thousands before it got as dirty as wolf after 250 rounds.



I shot thousands of rounds of it with out any problems in my pt92 (wish I kept that thing) but my CZ didn’t like it at all.

[CZ-100]

I shoot a lot of wolf in 7.62x39, My AK justs LOVES it.

[wanderinwalker]

I tried some Wolf 9mm 115gr FMJ in my Glock 17 a few weeks back. Stuff worked surprisingly well, actually. No malfunctions, accuracy was pretty good and judging by the recoil is was up to performance specs. My one gripe was the odor, and the red lacquer that filled the thing.

But my reloads are cheaper and as accurate and reliable.

[MD_Willington]

Several thousand rounds of 7.62x39 disposed of via 2 russian, 1 yugo, & 1 chinese wolf disposal systems (SKS)...

Keeps showing up in 1000 round packages and we must dispose of it... it's for the safety of the children you know...

:neener:

[oldskoolfattieg]

my ak eats wolf up like its freaking candy, never had a problem with it

[mrrick]

I only shoot it in my Soviet bloc guns, Makarovs, SKS, AK 47.

[dfaugh]

Used it extensively in 9x19, 7.62x39 and .22 Match Target...Other than being dirty, never a problem (even with the old laquered cases).

Just started using the .22 Match Target, and found it to equal or better even the real expensive target stuff(Eley).

If I had a gun that WOULDN'T shoot it I'd sell the gun(well, probably)... As in emergency situation I'd like to have the gun shoot whatever I can get my hands on.

[ndh87]

the wolf 9mm i put through my glock 17 works great, its accurate enough for plinking, and it doesnt cause any problems. when i get the 9mm with the green case occasionally the burnt powder smells kinda like fruit stripe gum.:scrutiny: as for the .223 i use in my mini, it has terrific accuracy, i've cut nails off of fence posts at 50 yards(with a scope of course) The .223 is good as long as the wind is stron enough that it carries away the horrible amonia smell that follows each round out of the barrel.:barf:

[Ron James]

People have to act knowledgeable and gripe about something. The ammo is very inexpensive, I use in for pratice and never had a problem with it. I get what I pay for so why should I bad mouth it. I would rather use my time griping about a legitmate compliant.

[wally]

Why would anyone go 1000 or 2000 rounds without cleaning? Does cleaning cause some people physical pain?

To see if they can! Nothing gives me more confidence in a gun that going 1000+ rounds with no problems and no cleaning. Basically anything that can't rather quickly becomes a safe queen for me as I like shooting guns a whole lot more than cleaning guns.

The "new" Wolf polymer .45ACP doesn't have the red lacquer sealant now. Only problem I have with Wolf is the price has been going up since too many folks have actually tried it and learned that it works!

I do have feed problems with many Para Ordnance .45 double stack mags where the rounds bind at the single to double stack transition leading to "nose up jams" -- its random enough I'd never recommend the double stack .45s that use Para mag tubes for carry, but in-frequent enough that they make fine range guns. Problem is not exclusive to Wolf, but Wolf really exacerabates the problem for some reason. Reloaded Wolf cases don't seem to exacerbate the problem, go figure. (I relaod the cases once, and save them for shooting where I'd lose most of my brass).

--wally.

[LanEvo`]

I'm not a huge fan of Wolf ammo only because there's "better" stuff out there for more or less the same money.

[Frenchy]

More maybe...not sure about less!