Who invented the Gun?


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NIGHTWATCH
April 22, 2003, 10:39 PM
A friend of mine asked me where did it come from? Who invented the Gun? I was pretty much empty on answers. :confused: I searched the web but not satisfied with what I found.

Anybody know the exact origin of the firearm/gun? Thanks. ;)

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Frohickey
April 22, 2003, 10:57 PM
gunpowder (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0822176.html)

Origin of gunpowder (http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/Origins/gunpowder.html)

IOW, don't mess with us, chinese. :neener:

George Hill
April 22, 2003, 10:59 PM
Yeah, they might sneeze on you and you'll die.



(refrence SARS... Not funny. By Bad.)

El Tejon
April 22, 2003, 11:09 PM
Gunpowder, the Chinee. "Guns", the Italians. Gun laws, the English.

HBK
April 22, 2003, 11:09 PM
Al Gore...no...that was the internet.

Jim March
April 23, 2003, 12:16 AM
The first cannons happened when some wit took a church bell, turned it upside down, stuffed BP in it and topped it with a generous helping of whatever scrap was available :).

In other words, the giant shotgun came first :D.

Then they started optimizing "bells" for ballistics. Early cannons were made by bellmakers.

gudel
April 23, 2003, 12:27 AM
Gunpowder, the Chinee. "Guns", the Italians. Gun laws, the English.

for those the ignorants, it's the Chinese who invented gunpowder, originally used as fireworks.
according to Britannica, they invented the compass. they also did invent the first plastic :D ohhh... firearms...plastics..

BenW
April 23, 2003, 12:28 AM
According to Ian Hoggs' The Complete Illustrated Encyclopedia of the World's Firearms:
The first cannon were recorded to have existed in 1326 in the records of both England and Florence, Italy. The first 'gunnis cum telar' or "hand gonnes" sometime in the 1350s with the best known example recovered from Tannenburg Castle, which was razed in 1399.

sm
April 23, 2003, 12:40 AM
JIm March wrote: "The first cannons happened when some wit took a church bell, turned it upside down, stuffed BP in it and topped it with a generous helping of whatever scrap was available ."
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so THAT's where
"Having your bell rung" comes from?

another firearm related cliche' ;)

NIGHTWATCH
April 23, 2003, 01:00 AM
So it was the Italian's? :D - LOL

She (my friend who asked) should get a kick. She is an anti and an Italian. ;) Thanks.

S_O_Laban
April 23, 2003, 01:08 AM
HBK :D :D :D

BerettaNut92
April 23, 2003, 01:19 AM
Some Korean arms.

Arrows. In the middle are a rocket propelled and an explosive tipped arrow.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/arrows.jpg


Korean MRLS
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mrls2.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mrls1.jpg


Cannons and missile.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mortar1.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mortar2.jpg

And the deadliest of them all, Asian drivers, seen here during peacetime tactical sidewalk-driving operation.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/best_driver.jpg

telewinz
April 23, 2003, 06:23 AM
Who invented the gun? The shipping clerk who shoved a lit candle down a large shipping urn and asked (for the last time) "OK, who ordered all this black pepper?":D

Autolite
April 23, 2003, 06:32 AM
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it ...

blackhawk2000
April 23, 2003, 01:28 PM
I remember hearing from someone that they outlawed all knives in some Asian country, and that led to the invention of the gun. Any truth to this?

MJRW
April 23, 2003, 01:34 PM
I did.

RobW
April 23, 2003, 03:04 PM
I think ti were not the Brits that had the first gun laws but the Italians after the invention of the wheel-lock around 1630. The wheel-lock allowed to produce "concealable" pistols and at all times, no matter wether tyrants or "politicians", they fear their serfs!

Anti gun laws since 1650! It's really not gun control, it's just plain control.

RustyHammer
April 23, 2003, 03:46 PM
Al Gore .... right before he invented the Internet! :neener:

(Ooops, sorry, see HBK beat me to it. oooo OOOO ooooo )

Jim March
April 23, 2003, 03:58 PM
When the Mongols invaded China, they limited each village to one kitchen knife. Yes, per VILLAGE. That's why Chinese food to this day is all chopped up to the point where you don't need a knife at the table :rolleyes:.

But I don't think that was connected with guns.

9mmepiphany
April 24, 2003, 06:32 PM
you italians can claim the credit, but we chinese know we invented gunpowder and used them to propel rockets and arrows at the mongol hordes...but then we also invented noodles, which marco polo took back home and re-named.

on a more serious note...wasn't there a program on the history channel awhile back about the outlawing of air rifles, except by the military (they used them as suppressed sniper rifles!!!)

Jim March
April 24, 2003, 06:51 PM
On banning air rifles: I've seen a 45Cal air rifle that had just about identical ballistics to a 45ACP handgun :eek: and was about as big as a small levergun. Unreal. It even took 45ACP projectiles, with about 185grains recommended if I recall right.

Because it's subsonic, I would assume the noise level is VERY low. And it was completely unregulated :D.

Downsides: the onboard air tank was good for...I can't recall, something around 10 shots. But projectiles were loaded one at a time through a gate near the back of the barrel. For refilling the tank, the best advice was to buy a cheap SCUBA tank, get it filled once, and it could refill the gun's tank over and over in a very short amount of time.

Upshot: it appeared to be a very viable weapon and survival gun.

9mmepiphany
April 24, 2003, 06:56 PM
i should have been more specific about the period i to which i was refering. my reference was to the first law regulating guns...this was back during the transition from bows to firearms.

the air reservior was filled using a blacksmiths bellows

BerettaNut92
April 24, 2003, 08:36 PM
Jim, can you point me to a reference of the Mongol Chinese knife law?

Harold Mayo
April 24, 2003, 11:10 PM
I believe that John Browning invented the gun.

Ain't no one gonna convince me any different, either...!

telewinz
April 25, 2003, 04:34 AM
For what its worth, their were some European countries that issued air rifles to several army regiments. The air flask was located in the buttstock and it was charged by a hand operated pump. In outward appearance they looked like any other military musket but they were repeaters. Some models allowed the shooter to replace the entire buttstock (a pre-charged air flask inside) to maintain their high rate of fire. For their time they were considered a success but were banned IIRC by the Pope as "in-human" weapons of war

Keith
April 25, 2003, 11:34 AM
The French generally take credit for the first gun, but it wasn't for another century when an Irish expatriate by name of O'Toole drilled a hole down the barrel that it was generally considered a useful item.

Harold Mayo
April 25, 2003, 01:09 PM
Keith wrote
The French generally take credit for the first gun, but it wasn't for another century when an Irish expatriate by name of O'Toole drilled a hole down the barrel that it was generally considered a useful item.


Absolutely hilarious!!

Smoke
April 25, 2003, 01:46 PM
I did.

By the way, would you care to donate to the Smoke For Pres. Campaign?

:neener:

9mmepiphany
April 25, 2003, 01:49 PM
remember that the christian church was instrumental in damming the crossbow also

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