Docter Sight -- Can't find info


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UberPhLuBB
April 21, 2006, 07:17 AM
I've been Googling my fingers off for the last 40 minutes and I can't find ANYTHING about Docter apart from the copy-and-paste crap on every page! So I've got a few questions for anyone who can answer.

What is the difference between the "normal" and "military" models, aside from the doubled price tag?

I've read conflicting stories about Docter Sights turning off in the dark. Some say only the generation 1's do it, some say all. Do they turn off automatically in the dark? Or do they dim to a very low setting? How do you turn them off completely? How do you change batteries?

Does anyone make Docter Sight mounts for a standard weaver rail? All I see are specialized pistol mounts.

I'm looking for a small red dot with a big dot to put on my HD shotgun, and the Docter seems perfect. But how do Docters stand up to a shotgun's recoil? I'm not talking a once-in-a-lifetime defense shooting, I mean trips to the range, regular hunting, skeet, etc. Constant abuse.

Thanks to anyone who has any information about these intrguing and elusive optics.

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HSMITH
April 21, 2006, 08:29 AM
Last I heard they aren't being imported anymore, and if you do find one I hear you need to send it to Grams Engineering for 'bulletproofing' to avoid problems.

Pride-Fowler has a similar sight out and so far it is getting good reviews. J-Point also has a similar sight out.

Nightfall
April 21, 2006, 08:35 AM
I'd like some more info too. I'm sure ARFCOM has plenty, but that site is a PITA to search. How do you turn them off completely? IIRC, there is a cover you put on it to get it as close to "turned off" as possible.

JoeHatley
April 21, 2006, 11:27 AM
BC Outdoors used to be the US distibutor, but they show them as out of stock.

www.pmcammo.com/store/home.php?cat=5

It too bad if they aren't being imported any more. I enjoy the heck outa mine.

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/952_r_d.jpg

You may want to look at the new Ultra Dot L/T as an altrenative.

www.ultradotwest.com/ultra_dot_west_web_site_2006_006.htm

Good Luck...

Joe

Zak Smith
April 21, 2006, 12:29 PM
I believe the military version is waterproof.

The latest rev of the DrSight handles recoil well. They have been run on pistol slides (like Joe's pic) and AR-15's.

To replace the barries, you remove the DrSight from its rail mount. The zero needs to be rechecked after replacing the sight.

Batteries last a long time.

http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/CAV17/small/A100_0496_img.jpg (http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/CAV17/?medium=A100_0496_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/CAV17/?medium=A100_0496_img.jpg)

lycanthrope
April 21, 2006, 01:28 PM
To my knowledge there are no more Doctors being imported.

The JP sight is a very close alternative.

http://jprifles.com/

UberPhLuBB
April 21, 2006, 05:08 PM
The JP looks promising, but I don't like the idea of an acrylic lens. I keep my shotgun leaning against a wall, meaning the front of the lens will constantly be subject to dust. Getting the dust off safely is much easier with a glass lens.

Standing Wolf
April 21, 2006, 08:20 PM
I have one. It's going to be my last.

The base for my Kimber .22 long rifle slide didn't fit the slide the least bit closely, which meant I incurred additional gunsmithing costs.

It's an okay sight, but a.) it was much more expensive than it should have been, and b.) if the base doesn't fit, I have to believe the company is just too sloppy to do the rest of the job right.

lycanthrope
April 21, 2006, 08:42 PM
Standing Wolf,

Are you describing the Doctor or JP sight?

Standing Wolf
April 21, 2006, 10:53 PM
Are you describing the Doctor or JP sight?

Neither. I referred to the Docter sight.

TomF
January 21, 2007, 09:26 PM
I have the Docter sight and love it... It will drive nails on my Glock 23 40 cal...
It's bright and will adjust itself to your current lighting conditions and I'd buy it again...

What brings me here is that I've lost the instructions on the sight and now I need to replace the battery on it... Can any of you please guide me on this as I hope I don't have to ruin my settings and have to start all over again...

Thanks in advance

Tom

bompa
January 21, 2007, 10:53 PM
http://www.docterusa.comTry www.docterusa.com for info..

NukemJim
January 22, 2007, 08:16 AM
Zak, a query please sir if I may regarding the photo you posted (Nice photo btw)

1) Is the Docter sight normally mounter on the AR in this manner? or is it just for the photo?

2) if it is real how well does it work in reality?

Thank you

NukemJim

fspitzdorf
January 22, 2007, 09:05 AM
Take a look at the Ultradot L/T

BSlacker
January 22, 2007, 10:09 AM
Try these folks they list a few mounts for the JPoint. I have used Docter mounts under a JPoint.

https://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=135-W

I made the adapter to put this JPoint on a FN 5.7 pistol. It uses a modified mount pad that is Docter. :D

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1128723/FN57rocks.JPG

It doesn't get much abuse like one mounted on a shootgun would as there is not much recoil on the 5.7, but it works fine. I got 20 rounds out of my red dot mounted on a shotgun. Good luck. :)

bompa
January 22, 2007, 10:49 AM
BSlacker I am wondering how you used a Docter mount with the JPoint sight ?? As I have both and the mounts are similar but different in length ..
I really like the Docter sight but it has gotten rather pricey..Burris is supposed to have a similar style sight,on their web site,that is made of glass and metal with a retail price of $299..Haven't been able to find anyplace that was selling it though..

Walkalong
January 22, 2007, 11:03 AM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/docter-red-dot-sights.html

They show the Doctor sight. I don't know if they have them.

I have a J-Point on a Kimber CDP which has performed very well. Optics are OK, but not great. It works fine and has held up to recoil fine. I have the Ultra Dot L/T on a Trailblazer. I do not know if you can get bases to mount it in the sight cut like the J-Point and the Doctor, but it is very nice.

The new Burris Red Dot sight looks promising. I looks like the J-Point and the Doctor sights and uses bases to mount in the rear sight cut like they do. I am anxious to see one. They were in the latest Cabelas catolog. $199.99

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0044065712743a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=burris+red+dot&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=burris+red+dot&noImage=0

BSlacker
January 22, 2007, 11:24 AM
I had no problem fitting most of them. I have found that the plastic molded wedge thingys that are used as adjustment shims and should be very consistant fit the JPoint 4 pin mount great, but with the machined alum mounts made for fit directly on the gun that the fit is spotty between mounts by different makers. I have a mount that might fit a Docter, I don't have the sight just bought the mounts to mount the JP, but is too long for the JPoint. Is there a big difference in yours or just slightly? But I have other mounts that were sold as Docter mounts that fit fine.:)

Zak Smith
January 22, 2007, 12:42 PM
NukemJim,

Zak, a query please sir if I may regarding the photo you posted (Nice photo btw)

1) Is the Docter sight normally mounter on the AR in this manner? or is it just for the photo?

2) if it is real how well does it work in reality?

That setup is typical of a "Open" 3-Gun rifle. You have the primary optic (in this case a TA11 ACOG) in the normal position for targets beyond 50-100 yards (depending on stage setup), and the small dot sight for close-range speed. It is at about 1:30'o'clock on the strong side of the rifle. The rifle is just turned "inward" to get a sight picture through the dot. It works well, but I do not normally shoot in "Open" class.

You can also mount the DrSight in the normal position on the receiver, like you would an Aimpoint, EOTech, etc-- you just need a riser of the appropriate height.

MBane666
January 22, 2007, 01:44 PM
Trijicon has their own version (http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=13). Saw it at SHOT and liked it...very sturdy/mil-spec.

Might also check out the new offering from Aimpoint...saw a proto last year and a production version at SHOT. I don't think it's up o the site yet, though...

Michael B

bompa
January 22, 2007, 03:00 PM
The Docter mounts and the JPoint/Optima are quite different in size..The mounting pegs are different distances with the Docter a bit longer than the JPoint..
It seem that this style dot sight is the rage this year with quite a few new ones..
The Burris looks interesting,will check it out I believe..

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