M1 Carbine Range Report


PDA






JustsayMo
April 23, 2006, 01:15 AM
I've had this Carbine for more than 20 years. Today was the first day I've ever shot it... The Specifics; IBM (with Bayonet Lug) GI M1 Carbine, Misc Surplus ammo 1942-1981 stamps (Some Corrosive I know, she got a good scrubbing and oiling when I got home). Windy conditions, gusts to 20mph quartering from left rear. Mostly sunny.

Started at the 25 just to make sure I was on the paper. First two went ~2" below point of aim. Clicked it up to the 250 mark and now prints point of aim (POA).

At 50 yards put five shots in 1-1/2" c-c ~2" above POA.

Out to the 100 yard range. First 5 went into the upper half of the 6" Black with 2 of 5 just out of the black, Group size 4" center to center. The wind is more of a factor and is actually moving *me* so I try to time my shots when it lets up some. I get a few more groups around 4" and a few larger groups when I try to squeeze them off quickly. None bigger than 6" but 6" at 100 yards looks pretty ugly if you ask me...

Best 100 yard 5 shot group was 3". 4 of the 5 in that group were just under 2". Not bad for 25 + year old mixed FMJ ammo (now if I could shoot an SKS or AK that well...)

At 100 yards the 250yard sight setting shoots about 4" higher than point of aim. The 200 yard setting shot point of aim.

Brass is ejected slightly to the right and straight back. Most lands about 4' behind me which makes it easy to retrieve. 3 of the older (1940s) brass had a length wise crack along the front 2/3rds of the spent case. NO bulges and the other brass looks fine without pressure signs.

Fired, fed and ejected 100% of the time.

The M1 Carbine is a comfortable & nice shooting little gun. It feels very light. My wife really likes it. It did feel a little "cramped" to me (averaged sized male) but I quickly adjusted. I can see this would be a very nice rifle to pack around on patrol. If I was expecting trouble or hunting it wouldn't be my first choice, but I can imagine it could be made to work in those situations.

If you enjoyed reading about "M1 Carbine Range Report" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Dave Markowitz
April 23, 2006, 10:01 AM
Sounds like you had fun.

FYI, there is no such thing as corrosive USGI .30 Carbine ammo. From the start US military spec for Carbine ammo was non-corrosive, due to the design of the gas system. Milsurp from a non-US source could be corrosive, however.

JustsayMo
April 23, 2006, 01:16 PM
Dave,
Thank you that is good to know.

brentwal
April 24, 2006, 02:50 AM
Hummm, must be M1 carbine day or something, I took mine out today too after a number of years in the safe.

JustsayMo
April 24, 2006, 09:12 AM
Brentwal, was that you I heard shooting on the other side of the hill?

Always good to know there are neighbors that are THR members in a state like WA. Of course you live on the better side of the state. The wife and I are looking for a place on that side.

Carl N. Brown
April 24, 2006, 11:15 AM
From the start US military spec for Carbine ammo was non-corrosive,
due to the design of the gas system.

Basicly, the gas piston can only be removed with a special
armorers wrench and the nut that holds the piston on my
carbine is staked in position: a semi-permanent assembly.
The gas is drawn close enough to the firing chamber that
the gas system is self-cleaning. So non-corrosive ammo has
always been US issue in .30 M1 Carbine. M1 carbine barrels
from the WWII era are almost always in better condition
than original WWII M1 Garand barrels: most M1 Carbines have
their original barrels; most M1 Garands will have replacement
barrels for the obvious reason most WWII .30-06 ammo was
corrosive primed.

Most foreign M1 carbine ammo was loaded non-corrosive
due to the fact that cleaning the M1 carbine gas system
is not part of routine maintenance. But I would not bet
on foreign M1 carbine ammo being non-corrosive, although
I have not heard (yet) of any being corrosive for certain.
I stick to Winchester and Lake City because I don't want
to test this issue with my carbine.

Mac Attack
April 24, 2006, 12:11 PM
My Inland M1 Carbine is a pleasure to shoot and has been 100% reliable since I received it over a decade ago. I know a lot of people talk about how much fun 'Black Rifles' are to shoot. I have a few Black Rifles but I honestly believe that my Carbine is more fun and easier on the shoulder than any of them.

I think a Carbine would make a great home defense weapon if you could find a good reliable hollow point.

Mac

Dave Markowitz
April 24, 2006, 07:55 PM
Most foreign M1 carbine ammo was loaded non-corrosive
due to the fact that cleaning the M1 carbine gas system
is not part of routine maintenance. But I would not bet
on foreign M1 carbine ammo being non-corrosive, although
I have not heard (yet) of any being corrosive for certain.
I stick to Winchester and Lake City because I don't want
to test this issue with my carbine.

I seem to remember seeing an ad awhile ago for some foreign milsurp .30 Carbine that was corrosive, which is why I mentioned that in my post. Current production S&B and Wolf .30 Carbine is non-corrosive, however.

oneshooter
April 24, 2006, 08:00 PM
Loving Wifes Iver Johnson loves handloads for play and Win. 100gr JHP for serious!
15rds in rifle and 30rds on the stock!:evil:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

JustsayMo
April 24, 2006, 08:18 PM
That's what I love about THR, you learn something new every visit. Thanks guys!

brentwal
April 25, 2006, 12:58 AM
Brentwal, was that you I heard shooting on the other side of the hill?

Man, I need to find a quieter muzzle brake for my CETME.:D

Always good to know there are neighbors that are THR members in a state like WA. Of course you live on the better side of the state. The wife and I are looking for a place on that side.

Come on over and let the mold and mildew dry out.

If you enjoyed reading about "M1 Carbine Range Report" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!