For you CHL holders I have a few ?


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chetrogers
April 23, 2006, 08:39 PM
Im curious to whom you tell you have a CHL.Do you tell your family and best friends etc.If you dont do you Walk into your friends house with a firearm on you and not tell them?..I have been contemplating getting my Oregon CHL for the longest time and just thought I would see what you guys do.I know the point is to not let people know but I would feel bad walking into somebodys house if I was carrying and not tell them.
Most of my friends are not Anti's but a few do have Young children and I would hate to disrespect there house rules if they didnt want a person to carry in there house.I could understand if I was to tell them I had one and they didnt want it in there house i of course would obey there rules.Thanks for any suggestions.

Once again I dont have a carry permit and am just thinking of situations that mite happen if I did.

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Sheldon J
April 23, 2006, 08:44 PM
if you are then unless you tell the how are they to know? I carry everywhere and unless you have some very paradoid anti's (which I don't most of my friends are gun nuts also) in short just don't tell.:cool:

Overman
April 23, 2006, 08:58 PM
Concealed means concealed. I don't tell anyone. If I am in a social situation where I CAN carry concealed, I will. If I will be in close quarters, with lots of hugging and back slapping and such, I'll carry an NAA Mini .22 which fits in a cigarette pack. Or a NAA .380 Guardian, which, with the proper holster, looks like a wallet.

My gun is not going off unless I want it to. And I'm not going to be getting drunk, and no one will take it from me. And, because I conceal properly, no one will discover I have a gun, so no one needs to know. The key is to conceal so well that no one will ever find out. I go all the way down to a mini revolver, or all the way up to a 5" N frame, and seven stages in between.

cambeul41
April 23, 2006, 08:59 PM
and I make a point of occasionally working a wee bit (?) of my pro Second Amendment, pro self-defense, pro-CCW attitude into class discussions. If I am asked if I have a license to carry or whether I carry, I answer honesty. I also provide gun and self-defense related readings for extra credit. I have even been known to bring CCW application packets to students who express an interest in applying.

Why? Partly to off set faculty members of the opposite mind set.

answerguy
April 23, 2006, 09:00 PM
It's legal and it's safe.

sm
April 23, 2006, 09:01 PM
What guns?
What CCWs?

Now State Regs may require one to show LEO upon being stopped. Other Regs may apply / differ depending on State Regs.

My State says one is to inform Officer if Stopped, then again in travel this differs, and with Non-Res CCWs it differs again...depending on jurisdictions.

Some may state you are to inform the occupants of a home you visit.

Check Regs, not only where you are , where you intend to travel thru, destinations and all aspects.

What guns?
What CCWs?

I just come here to see the pretty pictures and eat the free popcorn.

Euclidean
April 23, 2006, 09:01 PM
Some people need to know. My mother and siblings know, and three good friends who I trust with my life know. The reason they know is they need to understand if they're with me and someone tries to hurt me/us, I will be armed. Other than that I keep my big mouth shut.

depicts
April 23, 2006, 09:02 PM
I was picking up my nephews one day when they were 5 and 7. In the living room at my sisters I was swinging them in the air and lifting them to the ceiling, when my sister noticed the handle of a Colt Mustang in the small of my back.

Yes, I know it shouldn't have been seen, but I was in my sisters house, and I got casual for a minute.

She is a Massachusetts College educated Grade School Teacher, and she started to give me a bunch of crap. "Is that a gun?" "Is it loaded?"

I lied and told her it was unloaded, pulled my sweater down, and tried to minimize it. Her last comment that day was, "well good, at least it isn't loaded, I'd be real worried if you were near the kids with a gun!"

Fast forward to two days ago, 10 years later. The two nephews and same sister are with me at my gun club. We're firing .357's, 9mm Hi Power, .22 Rifles and pistols and having a great old time. The Schoolteacher Sister of mine looks at me and says very seriously..."I wish I could keep a gun in school. All this crap about students shooting other students, they tell us to shut off the lights and hide under our desks if a signal is given over the loudspeaker"

I agreed with her, it would be a good idea. She then went on to continue putting rounds into the nine and ten ring of her target like she had been doing all morning with my new to me Mod 34 S&W. She was almost as good with the 9 and the GP100.

Funny huh....sometimes it takes a bit of time!

Standing Wolf
April 23, 2006, 09:08 PM
I see no need to be the least bit secretive about keeping and bearing arms. I'm not secretive about voting. I'm not secretive about exercising my First Amendment rights.

It helps that I live in Colorado, where it's legal to carry openly—except in Denver, of course, the overgrown little town that wants to be the San Francisco of the Rocky Mountains.

sm
April 23, 2006, 09:32 PM
Standing Wolf,

While I agree with your sentiments, in my case being discreet was, and still is best.

Has to do with the type of work I did, my daily travels, and I fired family and friends long ago. Even them blabbing about my "day job" put me in danger, to this day they do not know about other 'jobs' or activities I did.

Have a family person yell out, ____ (me) "knows how to shoot a gun" , and then shots fired, as you tackle the idiot family member and get them and yourself behind cover.

They "thought" if they yelled that out trouble would leave...:scrutiny:

Same brilliant folks that told strangers that called where I worked, type of vehicle I drove, where I lived, and even told them the hotel in Dallas where I was staying complete with room number.

So - to survive - I fired them and I lie[d]. I went to hunt doves in TX and in reality I was in Mississippi. (just one example).

Heck some thought I went to Dallas to attend a Cisco weekend class , the weekend I went to Tulsa gun show.

Assume nothing - trust noone.
Keep your enemy close - family and friends closer. The later will get you hurt or worse.

So for me, I am as dumb as a brick, I know nothing about guns around some folks, I do not do family except for one person I keep tabs on. Old supposed friends fired long ago as well. I have declined going to shoot with some folks...

My situation is complicated.

Now with trusted folks like our mutual freinds Larry & Sandy...these two are more than trusted friends, they are family to me.
Preacherman another, Chris and some others here....

Locally, well one is not supposed to be "there" according to State Regs, so I do not park "there". I walk to "there".

What guns? What CCWs?

I have lived where my name was not on the rental agreement, nor utilities. I do not have gun cases and for sure none with logos. I do have backpacks, baseball bat carriers. Only sticker I have on my vehicle, one from a former college 1) allows me to still park in some areas when I visit, 2) folks may think I still attend regular classes there.
Hang tag for current college, only displayed when I have to use on that college property.

I was in Dallas, honest (crosses fingers behind back).

I dealt not only with the run of the mill local thugs and going on's, I had to deal with the Professional ones that came into town to bypass alarms, B&E, Burn safes, Kidnap, and other fun stuff.

It is not about guns, or CCWs to me. It about not advertising anything, to anyone that may give them reason to get too close and want what I have.

Garage door stays down, nobody's business about a ladder, garden hose, or anything else in there.

I want to be percieved as being a boring, broke, not worth anything older returning student.

My expereriences - folks reveal too much by blabbing, bragging, or advertising. Family and friends share too much that gets heard by illegal ears, seen by illegal eyes.

bpisler
April 23, 2006, 10:24 PM
The only people that know about mine
is my wife and my gun buddies that
have their own ccw's.Other than that
it's no ones business.

pax
April 23, 2006, 10:33 PM
Chet ~

I figure anything I wear underneath my outer clothing is my business and no one else's.

I carry everywhere it is legal, and I keep it concealed.

pax

M2 Carbine
April 23, 2006, 10:54 PM
Standing Wolf
"I see no need to be the least bit secretive about keeping and bearing arms. I'm not secretive about voting. I'm not secretive about exercising my First Amendment rights. "
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+1

If TX had open carry, I'd carry open once in a while just to irritate any anti-gun people that happened to be around by demonstrating my 2nd Amendment rights.

Hemicuda
April 23, 2006, 11:20 PM
my really close friends all KNOW i carry, none have any problem with it...

the rest of the world? concealed means it is hidden, and they don't know about it...

i told the close friends because it's only fair... because i do spend alot of time around them... all were initially and are still very cool about it... and most have young kids in the house...

there are only like 4 or 5 friends (and their families) to whom i am close enough to have said anything...

Kurt_M
April 23, 2006, 11:28 PM
I don't bring it up, but I don't hide it if it comes up either. I end up discussing CCW permits quite a bit because I sell guns in a sporting goods store. We have a large selection of handguns and we get a lot of people shopping for a CCW piece. They nearly always have questions about the permit application process, so I just tell them how quickly I got mine and what I carry. Obviously this is a little different from discussing the subject in a classroom or in a corporate office. Anti-gun people rarely come back to my department to browse, so I don't have to deal with them much (something I'm quite happy about as a matter of fact :D ) As far as carrying in a friend's home... I'm still wrestling with this one actually. I know most of my friends well enough to know they won't mind. If it's someone I've just met, or who I know wouldn't understand, I'll probably leave it at home or in the car. It is their house.

ExtremeDooty
April 23, 2006, 11:44 PM
Even here in Colorado, I can count the people that know I carry on one hand. And one of those busted me at work. He was cool with it, but I bought several new shirts just to make sure. I just tend to keep my business to myself.

Standing Wolf is right about Denver. I've been there once, that was enough.

JohnKSa
April 24, 2006, 12:46 AM
If a person specifically requested that I not carry in their house, I wouldn't--go to their house anymore. ;)

I don't feel the need to tell people about it and I don't feel like I'm insulting them by not "letting them in on the secret"--even if I'm in their house.

chetrogers
April 24, 2006, 12:50 AM
I appreciate all the replys guys.I really do appreciate the detailed answers too.Now all i gotta do is get My permit :)

SomeKid
April 24, 2006, 02:05 AM
I tell pretty much anyone. I only carry concealed occaisionally, I have even opened into Church. (And for the record, not one person cared.)

Soybomb
April 24, 2006, 02:21 AM
Immediate family and some goods friends know either based on them having permits or me evangelizing. I see no reason for your friends to know otherwise. Take them shooting a few times and if they like it talk concealed carry to them, if not, forget about it and keep your shirt down when visiting.

aaronrkelly
April 24, 2006, 02:23 AM
I dont walk into Wal-Mart and announce "I have a gun" but those that are close to me know I carry a firearm. Alot of the times Im working in the yard or garage with friends and shirts get out of place etc - it happens. They all know I carry. I encourage them to as well.

Cuda
April 24, 2006, 02:25 AM
My wife who also has a ccw, other than her no one else.


C

Scott Daw
April 24, 2006, 03:23 AM
I have a ccl. when I got it, I had let all of my family know I have one but I never tell them when I have my sidearm with me. if they cant tell then a crook cant either. i am cautious though when I go to my brothers, I'll leave it in the trunk because of my very curious 3 yrd old niece who likes to try to tackle me or use me for a climbing tree. I think she's part monkey.

Hawkmoon
April 24, 2006, 10:14 AM
I believe a couple of states have laws saying that you cannot carry onto private property without the owner's explicit permission. If faced with such a law, I would ask permission, or leave the gun in the car.

My state does not have such a law. Therefore, since I am not breaking the law by not saying anything ... why would I say anything?

I have a friend in another state whose laws I am not fully conversant with. I usually visit him to go shooting but, to be safe, I asked him if he'd be upset if I carried when visiting. He said, "I'd be more upset if you didn't." Which is about what I expected.

Byron Quick
April 24, 2006, 10:21 AM
I seldom visit homes that are not friends. My friends shoot. Most carry. My relatives know I carry. They also know that I will calmly leave if told not to bring my gun. No very young children at present.

My state doesn't have a law requiring informing homeowners of being armed. I usually avoid that particular issue, though. I feel them out beforehand. If they're not OK with it, I don't visit.

Pilgrim
April 24, 2006, 10:38 AM
Things got interesting when one granddaughter announced proudly to her teacher, "My Grandpa carries a gun." I wasn't there at the time, but the teacher knew I frequently picked the kids up from school.

The principal called the kids' mother. Mother reminded principal that Grandpa is a retired deputy sheriff and is authorized to carry. Principal and teacher are satisfied. It's a conservative Christian school.

Pilgrim

lowracer
April 24, 2006, 10:40 AM
When I got my Texas CHL, I carried for a month before I told my wife, just as a test. I figured if she couldn't spot it, no one could. Even if you have an affectionate family, in a bear hug, you can position yourself so that the huggers don't feel the gun.

Concealed means concealed. If you're legally carrying, no one but you needs to know. You're not a criminal so they have nothing to worry about. Why give them something to worry about?

After awhile the people you're closest to may find out, or not. After two years my best friend still does not know I carry and does not need or want to know. My brother and sister in law, with kids in their house, it's simply not an issue. The kids are old enough that they do not tackle me to the ground and tickle me, so are not going to find a gun. They don't need to know.

Now as for 2nd amendment, they all know where I stand and most agree with me on this. They just don't need to know at any given time that I am carrying concealed. Concealed means concealed.

BHPshooter
April 24, 2006, 11:17 AM
For a LONG time, nobody knew buy my two other buddies who got theirs at the same time.

Then my Dad found out, he blabbed to my Mom... There's no telling who knows now. :fire: I know that all of my siblings now know, and all of my Mom's coworkers do as well. :cuss: :banghead:

Beyone that, only a VERY select few who know (either shooting buddies or long-time, trustworthy friends). When people DO find out though, it is best to be unashamed of your second amendment rights -- if you feel sheepish about it, they'll be scared. Just tell them your stand, "plant the seeds," and let the topic change to something more comfortable for everyone.

Gotta agree with sm here: Keep your friends close, enemies closer, and your family closest. :scrutiny:

Wes

waterhouse
April 24, 2006, 12:42 PM
My girlfriend knows I generally carry, as do most of my family and close friends.

Pretty much anyone that at some point might feel the need to give me a hug knows that they might end up feeling a large hunk of metal, and this helps to avoid any awkward "what is that?" or "IS THAT A GUN?" comments.

depicts
April 24, 2006, 01:15 PM
On second thought on this subject, I wish I could say no one knew I carried, but it's hard to preach 2nd ammendment rights, and not advertise you like guns. As for the concealed part. I was often worried that my wife might say the wrong thing at the wrong time. I make sure she knows not to mention it, especially if we are in a situation where I might need to use it.

As for my CCW friends, we might say to each other, "do you have anything with you?" just to make sure one of us is carrying at the time if we are going surf casting or something. At times like that as long as one of us has a weapon I feel pretty good, without the risk of rusting my Ruger or whatever.

The less anyone knows about your carrying, the less you have to worry about. No one will talk. No one will try to steal your gun, no one will hit you from behind to disarm you.

It just makes sense to keep it quiet

Double Maduro
April 24, 2006, 02:27 PM
Chet,

It's about time you got your CHL.

I personally carry all of the time, if my pants are on I have a Ruger P90 IWB.

A few people know, very few. Not because I am paranoid or ashamed, but because they have no need to know.

When I first got my CHL and started to carry, my wife would tell people, she thought it was amusing that I carried. It took a while but I got her to stop doing that.

I have not run into anyone yet who found out that I carried that was upset or concerned. One of my neighbors wife is from Canada and she has a real thing about guns, he has to keep his at his parents house. Been in her house hundreds of times, she doesn't know, but he does.

The main thing about telling someone something is that you can't un-tell them.

Now, when you get your CHL, go to the Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF) website and find out what the laws really are, not what the sheriff says.

BTW, are you in the Portland area?

DM

Gordon Fink
April 24, 2006, 02:52 PM
I would feel bad walking into somebodys house if I was carrying and not tell them.…

Would you also feel bad if you didn’t tell them about the knife in your pocket?

~G. Fink

TallPine
April 24, 2006, 02:53 PM
Most of the homes I go into have one or more presumably loaded rifles leaning in the corner(s). I don't see how adding one more gun to the home makes any difference. ;)

And I have casually open carried around my yard with 10 or 12 visitors hanging around and nobody said a thing about it.

Mizzle187
April 24, 2006, 03:34 PM
I carry anywhere I can no matter what. Only a handful(literally) of people know I carry. A friend,co-worker/friend,fiancee, & two family members. My personalt opinion the less people that know the better and the few people that know better be family or damn near it.

2400
April 24, 2006, 03:55 PM
My wife along with several of the local gun shops know I carry. In AZ your CWP lets you fill out the 4473, pay for your new gun and leave. Other than that I don't have any need to let anyone else know I carry, concealed means concealed.

Henry Bowman
April 24, 2006, 04:05 PM
The main thing about telling someone something is that you can't un-tell them.Wise words that have application in many aspects of life.

itgoesboom
April 24, 2006, 04:45 PM
A few people know, some that I would prefer not knowing, but found out anyways.

- Like minded friends who I shoot with, if they comment that they want or are seeking getting a CHL. I will usually then encourage them to do so, and offer to answer questions for them. I do this to help grow our ranks, and be a good ambassador to our cause. Some friends I tell early on when shooting, some friends I don't tell for some time. And only friends that shoot and/or want to get their CHL.

- My family. Obviously my wife knows, but my MIL and SIL also know.

- My boss. I had to get a day off to go to the sheriffs and do a change of address, and the office manager was giving me a tough time about it, so I finally had to pull her aside and explain why I needed the time off. "Oh, that's no bid deal, why didn't you just say so?" Turns out the company owner had a CHL, so does his son, so does one of the other worker's husband, etc. :rolleyes:

I.G.B.

answerguy
April 24, 2006, 06:34 PM
Things got interesting when one granddaughter announced proudly to her teacher, "My Grandpa carries a gun." I wasn't there at the time, but the teacher knew I frequently picked the kids up from school.

The principal called the kids' mother. Mother reminded principal that Grandpa is a retired deputy sheriff and is authorized to carry. Principal and teacher are satisfied. It's a conservative Christian school.

Pilgrim

It's a darn shame but I almost have to agree that it was the right thing to do on the principal's part, depending on the context of the conversation by the child.

Andrew Rothman
April 24, 2006, 06:55 PM
As a carry permit instructor and head of a certifying organization, I can't simultaneously keep a low profile and advertise/evangelize.

So far, no adverse reaction -- well, except Mom. In this respect I am a disappointment to my liberal folks. :)

answerguy
April 25, 2006, 01:09 AM
I think we all go through the stage when we first get the permit and start carrying that everyone is noticing us. But after awhile that feeling goes away and carrying your gun is like carrying your wallet, no big deal.

Jamie C.
April 25, 2006, 02:47 AM
Man, I carry even when I walk my step-daughter to the end of our driveway to catch the schoolbus...

Who knows?

Just me. And I plan to keep it that way.

The only person that's gonna know I carry is the one that puts me in danger... and the police, after the fact.

After all, there's nothing like the element of surprise to give a fellow ( or a gal ) an advantage. And I'm in no hurry to give that up.


J.C.

PlayboyPenguin
April 25, 2006, 04:37 AM
I have a CHL in oregon myself. I do not really "tell" anyone that I have one. I do not carry to other persons homes. I treat all private property with repect and will not carry on it unless I have permission or approval of the owner. If I feel I am in so much danger at someones house without my gun I can elect not to go. When i go to someones home I usually lock my gun in my trunk.

Matthew748
April 25, 2006, 07:40 AM
It has come up in conversation so all of my immediate friends and family know. Basically, I carry everywhere that the law allows. I have never been put in the situation of carrying in a friend or family member’s house without their knowledge. Except for a sister in Utah (great state), an uncle in Florida (great state but to humid), and an aunt and uncle in Wyoming (wonderful state), all of my friends and family live on the wrong side of the border in Illinois. When I go to visit them my guns are either locked in my trunck or at home in my safe.

It is kind of silly. Where I live, and can carry, it is a nice area. When I go to see my friends and family in Illinois I have to go through some really terrible areas. That is where I wish I could carry the most.

LiquidTension
April 25, 2006, 12:49 PM
SC law states you must inform the resident you are armed before you enter the residence. I haven't done this in some time since everyone I visit knows I carry anyway.

Templar223
April 25, 2006, 09:20 PM
I carry in IL via the fannypack option (see http://www.gunssavelife.com) and am not shy about telling folks all about it if they ask. I'm vice president of the above mentioned group and have been in the newspaper time and time again, picture included to promote this option for IL FOID card holders.

I don't worry about offending people as far as other homes go. I'm seldom in people's homes that I don't know well. Only had two people express discomfort that I was armed (one family member and one employee... both take psychotropic meds).

If you're at my house, you damn sure better either have a gun or know how to use one (safely).

When out of state, I carry "conventionally". Good friends always know and are almost always armed as well. When in carry states, people seem friendlier than in Illinois. I was in Houston last year for the NRA convention and even the "bangers" said, "please", "excuse me" and "sir" and that was without seeing my Beretta 92, spare mags and SureFire 6P on my belt.

John

Auslander
April 26, 2006, 03:27 PM
I have very few friends. All my friends have a CHL and we shoot IDPA and three gun matches together.

My acquaintances never even know I own a firearm.

LaVere
April 26, 2006, 04:20 PM
I guess I in the middle of the road on this one. I have a group of friends we are all over 60 that I have lunch and or coffee with. We all know each other well and we all carry 90+% of the time. Our lunch conversation usually is about guns and carry. So yes they expect and know I carry all of the time.

The wife knows I have the CCW and what guns I have. But eather she just expects me to be armed when we go out or she just doesn't care. She doesn't ask if I have underware on eather she knows I do. ( Clean in case I have to go to the hospital :p )

My adult married son (34) knows I have CCW and carry but does not want me to carry at his house. He has two childern. He was brought up shooting everything I have. His wife was brought in fear of guns. It is his house so I respect his wishes and rules.

Second son 37 yo was also brought up with my guns and loves shooting also
Girl friend says no guns. We did take her shooting one day and she really seemed to like it. But I afraid 30 some years of Liberalism (Strong ) upbring in her family and L.A Califorina are too strong to over come.

I guess my general feeling is. If it is legal and I want, I do.

cmidkiff
April 26, 2006, 05:02 PM
The people at work know I shoot, probably even guess that I have a CCW. I don't try to hide my opinions on the subject, but I don't talk about my CCW. I've been asked if I carry at the office, my standard answer is 'hopefully, you'll never find out'. I would imagine that the smarter ones have guessed that I do.

My immediate family knows I carry, shooting buddies know I carry, parents, in-laws, strangers... don't.

coat4gun
April 26, 2006, 05:45 PM
I have carried for 7 years. 3 people know I carry, my wife and my 2 sons aged 18 and 16.

I carry everywhere it is legal and don't go where it is not... very few places are off-limits in PA. I see no reason not to carry on private property... what someone does not know will never hurt them (concealed means concealed). Anything on my person is really my business and if protection is needed, they will be glad that you did in the end.

Stevie-Ray
April 26, 2006, 07:47 PM
My family knows and my friends know. All approve or don't mind. Some of the guys at work know because we all got our CPLs at the same time. Other than that it's don't ask, don't tell. If somebody asks me, I ask, "Why? Would that be a problem?"

Bobo
April 26, 2006, 11:32 PM
My wife told two friends, "We now have a gun in the house".
They both voiced their nervousness at the prospect.

The only people that know I own or carry a gun are my wife and people that see me at the range (and unfortunately the people my wife told).

There are very few people who will feel more comfortable knowing I carry, most people will feel more uncomfortable.

I tell no one I even own a gun, never mind carry concealed.
Better for them - better for me!

Tom Servo
April 27, 2006, 02:01 AM
Let's see...my immediate family know I might be carrying when I'm out and about. So do most of my trusted friends. Those who do know are advised to keep it quiet. The last thing I need is to be in a situation where someone says, "Hey, you've got a gun! Shoot him! Shoot HIM!!!"

Since most of the above people are gunnies, it's kind of a moot point. I'm careful about others though. I introduced an acquaintance to shooting recently, and he feels compelled to tell everyone about his new hobby and the fact that he's packing. I make it a point not to be in public with him, except at the range.

Standing Wolf, though I agree with you on principle, I've found that a) it's still not practical down here where there's a bit of anti-gun bias and b) the way the criminal element has gotten, I might be painting a bullseye on myself by carrying openly. Plus, I'm a pretty private person, and I like to be left alone by strangers.

"I wish I could keep a gun in school. All this crap about students shooting other students, they tell us to shut off the lights and hide under our desks if a signal is given over the loudspeaker"

And that is why gun-control is such a heinous and dangerous lie.

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