[Baron Holbach4]

If the heckler had been an illegal alien, would the feds deport the illegal or bring charges?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49906

[HankB]

Too bad the story doesn't say what the formal charges actually are . . .

[mp510]

I don't know, but if she wrote something like that on Myspace and was a schoolgirl, she would be paraded around TV in an orange jumpsuit looking at a whole lot more than six months

[Mr. James]

AP reported:

A woman accused of heckling Chinese President Hu Jintao during a White House appearance was charged Friday in federal court with willfully intimidating, coercing, threatening and harassing a foreign official.

My, how far has the vanguard of the proletariat fallen: the tender flower of the CP was intimidated and coerced[wth, over?] by a lone heckler on a camera platform.

[Baron Holbach4]

I don't know, but if she wrote something like that on Myspace and was a schoolgirl, she would be paraded around TV in an orange jumpsuit looking at a whole lot more than six months

"Wrote something like that," referring to what? Her heckling statements or the linked article? I do not follow the point you are trying to make.

[Manedwolf]

was charged Friday in federal court with willfully intimidating, coercing, threatening and harassing a foreign official.


Wonder what the term is for when Hu's people in China have student protestors beaten, dragged off and thrown into forced-labor camps, then their families punished as well...

Nice crowd we've fallen in with, as a country. :scrutiny:

Once upon a time, I remember hearing that at Tiannamen, while the massacre was going on, one person running past a camera shouted, in Chinese, "Tell America what is happening here!" ...as if we'd be the beacon of hope that could help, the saviour.

How times have changed.

[Baron Holbach4]

Wonder what the term is for when Hu's people in China have student protestors beaten, dragged off and thrown into forced-labor camps, then their families punished as well...

Nice crowd we've fallen in with, as a country.


Bush could further appease Hu by having the U.S. import Chinese-made cars and firearms. Or, better yet, send China some Alaskan-brewed oil. Maybe that would convince Hu to call Bush and ask him to drop the charges against Wang. Or, maybe Bush could offer Wang amnesty and put her in a guest worker program. Oh, but that won't fly cause she's here legally.

[longeyes]

"It's just business."

~Vito Corleone

"Never go against the family."

~Michael Corleone

Mrs Wang needs to see more movies, then she'll understand you don't mess with the big boys.

[Manedwolf]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg/300px-Tianasquare.jpg

There were two brave people there on that day in China. The man who stood in front of the tanks, and the driver of the lead tank who refused to run over him.

We need more of both, here, right now.

[Art Eatman]

I've read she's a member of Falun gong. From what I've read of the Chinese government's treatment of those people, she's morally in the right. And, of course, in the U.S. she has the right to run her mouth.

The problem, though, is the international relations thing. Never forget the importance that Chinese place on "face". I imagine that in Pres. Hu's view, both he and Bush lost face. Hu's loss is of course far more important to him, but he lost respect for both Bush and the U.S.

China owns about a $trillion worth of US paper. I really doubt there would be any boycott of Chinese goods, here, so they'll add another $200 million this year.

An analogy: You'd like for your banker to not foreclose on you. He comes to your house to discuss it. Your little sister comes in and calls him an SOB. IMO, that's not the way you make Brownie points.

Overall, a bad scene all around.

Art

[longeyes]

An analogy: You'd like for your banker to not foreclose on you. He comes to your house to discuss it. Your little sister comes in and calls him an SOB. IMO, that's not the way you make Brownie points.

Funny.

But maybe we all need more little sisters like that to call foul on the jerks who infest society?

In a forum like this one shouldn't we be applauding the people who take the personal risk to do the right thing? God knows there are few enough of them. "Face" is a masquerade we can ill afford.

What all this shows me is how one loses one's honor when one becomes a debtor. Ugly.

[Lone_Gunman]

You'd like for your banker to not foreclose on you. He comes to your house to discuss it. Your little sister comes in and calls him an SOB. IMO, that's not the way you make Brownie points.


Why did Bush feel the need to parade around in public with the leader of a nation that leads the world in civil rights abuses? He was just asking for trouble.

[Mr. James]

Yeah, well, that freedom thang can be a bad scene at times.

Welcome to the United States, Mr. Hu. Unlike in your workers' paradise, this lady will not be summarily executed or packed off to labor in laogai. Huh, imagine that, Mr. Hu.

[Baron Holbach4]

An analogy: You'd like for your banker to not foreclose on you. He comes to your house to discuss it. Your little sister comes in and calls him an SOB. IMO, that's not the way you make Brownie points.


Art, your analogy would be apt if the banker was a member of the Mafia.

[RealGun]

What no one seems to know or acknowledge is that obtaining a press pass may have some conditions associated with it, expressed or implied. Freedom of speech may be a hollow claim, just as it is on a privately maintained gun forum. There are rules of conduct.

[Mr. James]

No doubt. She obtained the temporary press credentials under dubious circumstances. But call it civil disobedience in the face of monstrous evil - and our craven, bootlicking complicity therein. The protester said her piece and was taken into custody without further incident - she was obviously willing to suffer the consequences of her actions. Classic definition of civil disobedience.

[Phetro]

What she did was honorable and selfless. For one moment in history, she took a stand against tyranny, in plain view of all. She had most likely considered that her actions would be unappreciated by the establishment, and punished accordingly. Still, she did the right thing.

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson

The Republicans (with the exception of the few real conservatives who haven't left for a third party) want to shut her up, because they value profit more than all else. They are busy selling our country to China bit by bit, and do not wish to be interrupted.

The communists (AKA "democrats") want to shut her up, because they like the Chinese way of life. In their eyes, persecuting dissidents is natural, and she should go to prison for her arrogance. You do not question the Party.

And there you have it. See, there is such a thing as "bipartisanism."

[El Tejon]

I would speculate that this federal misdemeanor would go away very soon. I cannot foresee a USA making this a priority.

[longeyes]

What no one seems to know or acknowledge is that obtaining a press pass may have some conditions associated with it, expressed or implied. Freedom of speech may be a hollow claim, just as it is on a privately maintained gun forum. There are rules of conduct.

There are indeed "rules of conduct." Let's call them a code of honor.

And Mr. Bush doesn't understand this. Rule one is don't traffick openly with tyrants whose values and practices are inimical to everything you supposedly hold most sacred. If he's going to do business with these people, let him do the deals behind closed doors, like any pornographic activity.

[Phetro]

There are indeed "rules of conduct." Let's call them a code of honor.

And Mr. Bush doesn't understand this. Rule one is don't traffick openly with tyrants whose values and practices are inimical to everything you supposedly hold most sacred. If he's going to do business with these people, let him do the deals behind closed doors, like any pornographic activity.

The profundity of the above post is astonishing. Hear hear!

[Camp David]

There are indeed "rules of conduct." Let's call them a code of honor. And Mr. Bush doesn't understand this. Rule one is don't traffick openly with tyrants whose values and practices are inimical to everything you supposedly hold most sacred. So I assume you'll be giving up the PC keyboard you type on since more than likely it was produced in the tyrant nation?

No... I prefer a different strategy..keep your friends close and your enemies closer... we need more frequent political meetings between Chinese President Hu Jintao and our president and we need more Wenyi Wang's confronting Chinese leaders about their abuses... freedom is a thing of beauty the majority of Chinese have never witnessed... bring it on...

[Phetro]

No... I prefer a different strategy..keep your friends close and your enemies closer... we need more frequent political meetings between Chinese President Hu Jintao and our president and we need more Wenyi Wang's confronting Chinese leaders about their abuses... freedom is a thing of beauty the majority of Chinese have never witnessed... bring it on...

That sounds great! ...Er, besides the fact that it isn't working except to further the selling out of America...but hey, great idea!

[Dravur]

It seems to me that this isnt exactly the most heroic woman ever to wander out of the desert. I have a TON of respect for that chinese guy who stood in front of a tank in Tianenman Square. He had the very real chance of becoming One with a tank tread. This person literally put his life on the line.

This woman knew that she could disrupt a public function and suffer few, if any consequences. I am not impressed by someone taking a stand with little to lose.

Example, if you are against the war in Iraq, I don't care that you walked to Washington on your hands, feet, tractor or camel. If you went to Iraq and protested there, then you have my attention. Ill make sure we find all your body parts for the burial.

This person disrupted a function that she should not have. If she wants to do something meaningful, then work for change, but shouting out epithets at a guy who really couldn't care less that you exist, just isnt going to change anything.

[odysseus]

She needs a good lawyer. Hopefully some liberty groups or 1st amendment group can come in. Like Art mentioned, it is a face thing and that's what these charges are all about.

She is guilty of disturbing the peace, or disturbing a government function. To say she intimitated or threatened a foreign dignitary is a MOCKERY of justice. Heck it was recorded, we all heard what she said. The administration just lost the moral high ground of this incident by charging her with that B.S.

I for one thing this will be an easy case to beat. Jury nullifcation is on her side.

[longeyes]

I think our President needs to decide whether he's a good Machiavellian or a man on a mission from Dios. All I see is moral bi-polarity.

I've owned a slew of computers. Only recently have they been made by semi-slave labor--unless you know more about IBM than I do.

[Kodiaz]

Confucios say "he who keeps friend close and ah enemy closer will have dagger sticking out of belly"

[LawDog]

There are indeed "rules of conduct." Let's call them a code of honor.

And Mr. Bush doesn't understand this. Rule one is don't traffick openly with tyrants whose values and practices are inimical to everything you supposedly hold most sacred. If he's going to do business with these people, let him do the deals behind closed doors, like any pornographic activity.

Then I imagine every other U.S. President who met with a tyrant is equally open to your scorn?

LawDog

[longeyes]

Then I imagine every other U.S. President who met with a tyrant is equally open to your scorn?


As you realize, there are many ways of "meeting" and "dealing." But one thing I don't expect in this pragmatic world is a deferential attitude. Bush gets downright sheepish when certain capi di stato show up. "Face" is one thing, but two faces are one too many.

[JohnBT]

"If he's going to do business with these people, let him do the deals behind closed doors, like any pornographic activity."

You mean like Wal-Mart and half the businesses in the U.S. do business with China? Do you really believe they are all somehow similar to pornographic activity?

Isolating China, economically or otherwise, might just be the worst thing that the world could do. Better to integrate them into the world of business and slowly subvert them.

JT

[Kodiaz]

Subversion works both way you know.


Look at our decimated middle class.

[c_yeager]

Here is an article that contains some *actual* information that might prove usefull.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1875872

Im not entirely sure how one comes to the conclusion that she was charged "by the administration". Last time I checked the president was not charged with the responsibility or even the authority to charge people with misdemeanors.

[longeyes]

You mean like Wal-Mart and half the businesses in the U.S. do business with China? Do you really believe they are all somehow similar to pornographic activity?

Take a look at the etymological root of "pornography." I stand by my words.

[Standing Wolf]

No amnesty for people who stand up to tyrants, but free amnesty for the 20,000,000 to 30,000,000 illegal aliens that infest our nation.

I wonder what Jorge is thinking.

Actually, I have to wonder whether he's thinking.

[odysseus]

Im not entirely sure how one comes to the conclusion that she was charged "by the administration". Last time I checked the president was not charged with the responsibility or even the authority to charge people with misdemeanors.

Tongue-in-cheek comment, BUT please let's not be children about this - I am sure they are very interested and influential on this charge.

[JohnBT]

"Take a look at the etymological root of "pornography." I stand by my words."

Okay, here's what I found.

"pornography
1857, "description of prostitutes," from Fr. pornographie, from Gk. pornographos "(one) writing of prostitutes," from porne "prostitute," originally "bought, purchased" (with an original notion, probably of "female slave sold for prostitution;" related to pernanai "to sell," from PIE root per- "to traffic in, to sell," cf. L. pretium "price") + graphein "to write." Originally used of classical art and writing; application to modern examples began 1880s. Main modern meaning "salacious writing or pictures" represents a slight shift from the etymology, though classical depictions of prostitution usually had this quality. Pornographer is earliest form of the word, attested from 1850. Pornocracy (1860) is "the dominating influence of harlots," used specifically of the government of Rome during the first half of the 10th century by Theodora and her daughters."

Having read that, your point is what exactly?

John

[gc70]

please let's not be children about thisYou mean like believing that snubbing the heads of state of countries with which we have differences improves our international political relations?

[longeyes]

JohnBT,

Do I have to spell it out for you? Well, I will. Our leadership is prostituting this nation for lucre. There are several prominent "johns" in the clientele: China, Saudi Arabia, Mexico... You fill in the rest of the list, I'm tired...and I'm disgusted.

[FPrice]

Hu's loss is of course far more important to him, but he lost respect for both Bush and the U.S.

Art, if I understand your point correctly, I have to question whether Hu had any respect for either Bush or the US in the first place.

[chas_martel]

longeyes and Phetro,

I'm with you two, you've got it figured out. So sad too few are
willing to call a spade a spade. I am scared to death that so many
'conservatives' are having such a hard time coming to grips
with the facts which are right under our noses. It is
as if people are afraid to recognize what is going on. Is
it because the fear of what is needed to correct the
problems?

[Standing Wolf]

It is
as if people are afraid to recognize what is going on. Is
it because the fear of what is needed to correct the
problems?

It can be difficult to admit the emperor is naked.

[JohnKSa]

I think she would have gotten away with it had she not made the "your days are numbered" comment. That is very easily interpreted as a death threat.


[edit delete] --especially when coming from a member of a terrorist organization. (Falun Gong used nerve gas on a large number of civilians in a Tokyo Subway.) [/edit delete]

Sorry about the error folks. As several have pointed out, Falun Gong was not associated with the Tokyo Subway gas attack.

[longeyes]

Aum Shinrikyo cult, no?

[odysseus]

You mean like believing that snubbing the heads of state of countries with which we have differences improves our international political relations?

So all be it is was disturbing the peace in nature, you feel that in this instance you feel secure that Wenyi Wang is charged accurately?

[Master Shake]

While I dont believe in absolute free speech[like on private property]I think that this little woman did the right thing.Its sad that a tiny Chinese woman has more balls than most American men.Throwing her into prison or jail is just like incarcerating an American for the the horrible crime of "selling a firearm without a liscence".
Dont many of think that it is strange that the U.S.is slideing more and more into a COMMAND ECONOMY while China is becomeing more FREE MARKET.
At this rate who do you think is going to be in charge at the end of this century.
:cuss:

[Autolycus]

Well Wenyi Wang is no Cindy Sheehan...;)

[Kodiaz]

JohnKsa edit your post


Falun Gong did not use gas in the Tokyo subway that was a japanese group

[FPrice]

Here is a reference to the Sarin nerve gas attack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

[RealGun]

Grouse about this all you want, but recognize that getting a press pass will be more difficult than it used to be.

[antsi]

If all the high-minded folks who say we should stop doing business with China and stop prostituting ourselves for China, and how despicable it is to support the brutal tyrannical Chinese regime... how many of you are personally refusing to do business with China? Are you personally foregoing the discount prices you get from buying Chinese goods in favor of more expensive goods from other countries? Start looking at everything you buy - especially when you see something that seems like a great bargain - like as not, it's made in China. "America doing business with China" isn't just the president or the large corporations - the driver of business with China is the millions of American citizens who buy Chinese stuff because it's cheaper.

[The_Antibubba]

No... I prefer a different strategy..keep your friends close and your enemies closer... we need more frequent political meetings between Chinese President Hu Jintao and our president

That's right! Our enemy imprisons people without trial, listens to their phone calls with impunity, imprisons journalists after show trials, accuses political opponents of treason, rewards rich powerful friends with concessions no non-Party member could ever access...er, no wait-maybe I have that backwards...





What Pogo said. :(

[Art Eatman]

Funny. In the early 1950s, the US and China were in a shooting war. Around 1970, Nixon opened things up and albeit slowly, trade began. By the 1990s, China had become a major buyer of products from Gucci, Rolex and Mercedes Benz, and Coca Cola started opening up bottling plants there.

I'd say that what Bush is trying with Hu is just more steps along a slow path. Smart-mouth all you want, but open economic competition beats the heck out of freezing and dying at Chosin Reservoir. I'd say we've made more than just a wee tad of progress.

I despise how the Chinese leadership treats its people. So? They're alone in that behavior? We should quit buying oil from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria or Venezuela? And, after all, the USSR was not a Nice Place, but we worked our tails off to get a peaceful change, there.

I'm not into Hu's mind about this deal, insofar as how it will affect the treatment of the next visit by a U.S. trade delegation, how it will affect both our present and future investments in China. But anything that can mess up relations between two mutually-dependent nations--one of which is dictatorial--is not a Good Thing.

This gal picked the wrong time and place. Had it been done in front of the Chinese embassy, with numerous supporters and TV cameras, it would have been highly thought of by many--and should be. And Hu would have gotten the message without the issue of relations with our president.

Art

[longeyes]

If all the high-minded folks who say we should stop doing business with China and stop prostituting ourselves for China, and how despicable it is to support the brutal tyrannical Chinese regime... how many of you are personally refusing to do business with China? Are you personally foregoing the discount prices you get from buying Chinese goods in favor of more expensive goods from other countries? Start looking at everything you buy - especially when you see something that seems like a great bargain - like as not, it's made in China. "America doing business with China" isn't just the president or the large corporations - the driver of business with China is the millions of American citizens who buy Chinese stuff because it's cheaper.

Give me a real choice and I will.

The age-old question: Do you fight 'em or do you trade with 'em? Well, one thiing you do not do with 'em is trade with them according to their rules and with full encouragement of your own weaknesses. Let's be "machiavellian" here for a minute. Do you trade with a country that steals your intellectual property with impunity, that dumps goods on the market, that inserts itself, illegally, into your political campaigns, that offers your own companies a devil's bargain of don't trade with us unless you help us suppress dissent? And, perhaps not least, do you trade with a nation while you are running up huge and consistent trade deficits that will eventually maim your own economy just to placate your own "consumers" at home? I say NO, for very pragmatic, not just "idealistic" reasons.

Yes, trade is war by other means, and we have to ask ourselves who is winning. What, in the long run, if that's the perspective we should be taking, do I gain by buying my iBook Made in China for $500 less? What really?

I have said in many posts that we are being undone by our own pursuit of happiness and what has become not the furthering but the idolatry of the Consumer. This is not high-minded moralizing, just an observation about where in the end all of this is going to take us in terms of our shrinking political liberties.

[Thin Black Line]

China owns about a $trillion worth of US paper. I really doubt there would be any boycott of Chinese goods, here, so they'll add another $200 million this year.

I think they've moved into being our largest single creditor. Isn't it ironic
how we buy their goods and thereby willingly put chains on ourselves?

An analogy: You'd like for your banker to not foreclose on you. He comes to your house to discuss it. Your little sister comes in and calls him an SOB. IMO, that's not the way you make Brownie points.

We have a moral little sister who doesn't like the banker abusing his
own kids at his house. Yes, how dare she bring that up in public!
Easier to not say anything and ignore it. Kind of funny how we pick and
choose which of our neighbors to complain about when it serves our
interests? The word "mammon" comes to mind. (M6:24)

I wish the banker was adopting OUR ways of government rather than the
other way around!

[/quote]Why did Bush feel the need to parade around in public with the leader of a nation that leads the world in civil rights abuses? He was just asking for trouble.[/quote]

Didn't ya love the Army band dressed in Revolutionary War uniforms
on the South lawn?

Do I have to spell it out for you? Well, I will. Our leadership is prostituting this nation for lucre. There are several prominent "johns" in the clientele: China, Saudi Arabia, Mexico... You fill in the rest of the list, I'm tired...and I'm disgusted.

Ditto :barf:

It can be difficult to admit the emperor is naked.

I have medication for that --a strong dose of reality through a deployment in
Iraq. Takes the squawk right out of the chickenhawks and more of a
focus on keeping the nest clean and the chicks fed. ;)

[seeker_two]

Maybe, in the spirit of cooperation and support for the Bush administration, President Hu can offer Bush some ideas on how to manage the media and political oppositon and have the high approval ratings of all Chinese gov't officials....

:uhoh:

[JohnBT]

At last, I've seen the light.

We stop all trade with China and ignore them. Maybe they'll go away.

That'll work, right?

John

[longeyes]

At last, I've seen the light.

We stop all trade with China and ignore them. Maybe they'll go away.

That'll work, right?

The question isn't whether THEY will "go away" but whether WE will. We are slowly but surely evaporating as a Republic as we "trade" ourselves into oblivion--or haven't you noticed? What exactly are we TRADING here? Our Republic for cheap consumer goods most of us don't need or don't need at that price?

It is analogous to our illegal alien problem. There is noble and there is cheap--you decide.

[roo_ster]

I wish the little chinese lady with the big mouth all the best. She said what needs to be said and said it in the most effective venue possible.

Saying what needs to be said on FOXCNNABCNBC at 9PM in front of guys with important hair has much less effect than saying so to the face-man for tyranny, where millions can see the dirty SOB squirm.

I say, shame and embarass the heck out of 'em at every opportunity. Let them know they are not welcome in polite, civilized company. Our prez can shuffle his feet, demur, and make some half-comprehensible comment about folks in America saying what they wish.

Treat trash like trash.

I am pretty much a free-trader when it comes to goods, though I subordinate my free-trade principles when it comes to an existential question about the USA. Trading with those tyrants saves us a few bucks, but it allows the Chicoms to build up thier military. All those cheap Chinese goods we buy are funding Chicom nukes and subs.

[longeyes]

Wang called out The Ogre and spoke truth.

Wouldn't it be great if we had Americans telling Bush the truth and nothing but the truth about matters like illegal immigration--right to his face? Bush has no answers to the tough questions and really believes he doesn't have to have any but the same tired mantra of "compassion." He insults our intelligence and our honor every time he postures in public.

I'm afraid Bush and Hu have all too much in common.

[odysseus]

Talking about trade imbalances and economic issues with China is thread drift to this conversation. I have commented on this on other threads on my position in this and do not take a protectionist stand on China at this time.

The issue we are talking about is does Wenyi Wang's criminal charge here in the US warranted? Threatening and imtimidating someone because they say "Your time is running out"? How often do we hear that said a thousand times here in the USA levied at our government officials, even in media? Ever see anyone charged of this?

No. Why? Because it is free-speech. The context of what she meant is too ambiguious because what she meant was the Communists party's time of brutal control. There was no threat to life or limb here. This is a purely political charge and I for one will say it again, the administration has lost the moral high ground on this incident letting this charge go through. There are other lighter charges that could be levied, but this is silly. I actually hope it goes to court and gets nullified.

[longeyes]

I don't see it as a threat either. It was a prediction--or maybe wishful thinking.

The irony of trying her for a "death threat" when the man she's allegedly threatened has no doubt actually ordered deaths is dark indeed.

[riverdog]

This gal picked the wrong time and place. Had it been done in front of the Chinese embassy, with numerous supporters and TV cameras, it would have been highly thought of by many--and should be. And Hu would have gotten the message without the issue of relations with our president.She wanted to bring the President in on it. A Chinese woman protesting in front of the Chinese embassy is hardly newsworthy. A Chinese woman embarrassing Bush and Hu over Fulan Gong in front of the entire press corps is newsworthy. She made her point. Will there be a trial or do we go straight to sentencing?

[Carl N. Brown]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg/300px-Tianasquare.jpg
There were two brave people there on that day in China.
The man who stood in front of the tanks, and
the driver of the lead tank who refused to run over him.

We need more of both, here, right now.

[c_yeager]

That is very easily interpreted as a death threat--especially when coming from a member of a terrorist organization. (Falun Gong used nerve gas on a large number of civilians in a Tokyo Subway.)


Dude, where did you get the idea that Falun Gong is a terrorist organization? They had *NOTHING* to do with the Sarin gas attack. The closest they have come to a terrorist act is monks lighting THEMSELVES on fire in protest. Seriously, the world is complicated enough without misinformation like this.

[gunsmith]

This aint China, if you stand up in public
you open yourself to hecklers.

China is winning the trade war, I have my doubts
that our childrens children will even know
that once, their grandparents had the right
to KABA, they won't know what free speech
and religion is.

the poor little dictator had his itty bitty feelings hurt:barf:

as far as buying oil, we need to drill and process our own.
we are far to kissy face with the Saud royals.
to put it bluntly, they suck.

I think we will see the blue helmet of the UN patrolling
our neighborhoods in our lifetime.

load up on guns and ammo you will need them

[gc70]

The context of what she meant is too ambiguious because what she meant was the Communists party's time of brutal control.Then she has nothing to worry about when a jury determines whether she is guilty or innocent of the charges.

This is a purely political charge and I for one will say it again, the administration has lost the moral high ground on this incident letting this charge go through.So the administration should meddle in the functions of the judicial system whenever they think it morally correct to do so?

[odysseus]

Then she has nothing to worry about when a jury determines whether she is guilty or innocent of the charges.

You got that right. It's a nonsense charge.

So the administration should meddle in the functions of the judicial system whenever they think it morally correct to do so?

No they shouldn't. Funny, as if they didn't here or can't. As if politics in D.C. hasn't before. O.K. :rolleyes:

[seeker_two]

This is a purely political charge and I for one will say it again, the administration has lost the moral high ground on this incident letting this charge go through.

So the administration should meddle in the functions of the judicial system whenever they think it morally correct to do so?

Isn't it ironic that the D.C. DA is pondering whether to prosecute a sitting Congress-critter for assaulting a federal security officer but doesn't seem to hesitate in throwing the book at one of the "little people"... :fire:

Too bad I'll never meet Chairman Hu. I'm sure I'd have something to say, too... :cuss:

[The_Antibubba]

to send a donation to her defense fund?

[LAR-15]

So where is the proof Bush personally ordered her charged?

[Lone_Gunman]

We should quit buying oil from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria or Venezuela?

Are you sure we import Iranian oil?

I can't find a source that says we do.

[Art Eatman]

LG, the major oil guys buy from here, there and yonder. As necessary, they sell to each other. I know of no way of telling exactly what company is supplying any refinery or my local station.

About the best you can do is learn the type of crude from different sources and whether it's used for petro-chemical instead of transportation fuel. Sulfur content, etc. That might help differentiate among countries of origin.

Either the plastic of your cell phone or computer, or the gas in your car, could be from Iran or Mexico. I dunno. Given the new contract between Iran and China, it's likely that we'll be buying a lot of Iran-oil plastic stuff.

Art

[Master Shake]

Long Eyes see very far:eek:

[LeoC]

...we need more frequent political meetings between Chinese President Hu Jintao and our president and we need more Wenyi Wang's confronting Chinese leaders about their abuses... freedom is a thing of beauty the majority of Chinese have never witnessed... bring it on...

As a US Citizen living in Beijing who heard about the Wenyi Wang thing via English net news (and THR), I can assure all of you that her heckling had absolutely zero effect in Mainland China. Because nobody in China KNOWS IT HAPPENED. They already showed stories of Hu's visit with no mention of anything negative. America welcomed his visit with open arms, he dined with Bill Gates, had a great time, bla bla...

If anything, the visit has actually improved the Chinese people's view of the US. Hu Jintao has no worries of losing face in China, and neither does Bush (er.. in China, that is). The government-controlled media make sure of that. I believe that the Chinese government is truly interested in improving US-China relations, otherwise they would have showed the heckler and put a spin on it to make the US look bad for allowing it to happen. I am also quite sure that the desire for improved relations is economically-motivated.

Any ideas of free speech or democracy in the PRC are a long way off. The people here truly believe that their government knows what's best and acts to protect their morality for the benefit of everybody's happiness. They believe that Falun Gong is a dangerous cult that encourages sloth and destroys families. Chances of the truth about Falun Gong being seen on any national level are extremely slim to non-existing. The Chinese government has spent and is still spending a lot of time, energy, and money creating the demonized image of Falun Gong that they have, and it would be extremely embarassing to say the least for the State Media to reveal the truth.

Edited to add:
The fact that the Wenyi Wang thing will have no impact on Mainland China at all tells me that the charges against Wang are pure political posturing, meant for Hu Jintao to see. In other words, it's the US kissing China's arse :barf:

Instead of "We regret it happened, but this is America and we have the right of free speech protected by our Constitution" we get "We regret it happened, and to show how much we regret it we're going to charge this reckless cultist with several crimes for opening her mouth where and when she wasn't supposed to":fire:

[RealGun]

Instead of "We regret it happened, but this is America and we have the right of free speech protected by our Constitution" we get "We regret it happened, and to show how much we regret it we're going to charge this reckless cultist with several crimes for opening her mouth where and when she wasn't supposed to"

Forget free speech. The event was not open to the public. This country and its leaders are entitled to control their message in foreign relations. This woman will never see the White House lawn again. Her employer did not support her behavior, but I would expect that their being considered legitimate press, certainly for White House and Capital Hill press pass purposes, is in question.

[roo_ster]

RG:

If we don't want unruly citizens speaking truth to tyranny, keep the Hus of the world inside & away from said citizens.

If they bring tyrants out into the light of public glare, they risk having uppity citizens speak their minds about the tyrants. Even on governemnt owned & taxpayer-supported lawns.

Bill Gates may give the Hus of the world auditory fellatio, but the rest of us uppity citizens aren't required to toe the line...especially when WE are paying the bills to keep the lawn maintained and for the soapbox Hu is speaking from.

[seeker_two]

Forget free speech. The event was not open to the public. This country and its leaders are entitled to control their message in foreign relations.

Not if I'm paying for the venue... :cuss:

[RealGun]

If we don't want unruly citizens speaking truth to tyranny, keep the Hus of the world inside & away from said citizens.

Pretty snarky. Keep in mind that you couldn't get in.

[Carl N. Brown]

True civil disobedience means breaking the law in protest, and
willingly going to jail out of conscience. That is what happened.

[Master Blaster]

She should get a nobel peace prize.:)

After all they gave one to Yassir Arafat:banghead:

[longeyes]

If we don't want unruly citizens speaking truth to tyranny, keep the Hus of the world inside & away from said citizens.

If they bring tyrants out into the light of public glare, they risk having uppity citizens speak their minds about the tyrants. Even on governemnt owned & taxpayer-supported lawns.

Bill Gates may give the Hus of the world auditory fellatio, but the rest of us uppity citizens aren't required to toe the line...especially when WE are paying the bills to keep the lawn maintained and for the soapbox Hu is speaking from.

+1

++1 on Bill Gates

[gc70]

Wenyi Wang was willing to pay the price to speak out, unlike those who seem to think that freedom should be a free ride.