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SomeKid
April 28, 2006, 02:44 AM
Gave some dirt bag what he deserved!

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_84691.asp

Disabled Red Bank Man Gets Off 4 Shots At Home Invader
McCabe Had Been On Bond For Aggravated Robbery
posted April 27, 2006

A disabled Red Bank man foiled a home invasion early Thursday morning by getting off four shots at a man busting in his bedroom window.

Red Bank Police Lt. Jim Kyle said the incident happened at 1:30 a.m. at 203 Euclid Ave.

He said David McCutcheon was asleep in his bed when he heard his bedroom window breaking, then saw a masked man coming through the window.

Mr. McCutcheon reached for a .32-caliber revolver and began firing, causing the masked man to make a hasty retreat.

Lt. Kyle said Daniel "Spike" McCabe, 28, was found to have a gunshot wound later in the day in Soddy-Daisy when he was examined for a drug overdose.



He said McCabe, who is originally from Red Bank but now lives in Soddy-Daisy, has been charged in the Red Bank home invasion.

Lt. Kyle said one shot hit McCabe in the arm, two shots hit a bedroom wall and the fourth shot went through the window.

Officers went before General Sessions Court Judge Bob Moon after Red Bank Judge Gary Disheroon was not available. Judge Moon set a $500,000 bond for McCabe since he was on bond for aggravated robbery and aggravated assault.

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omnivore75
April 28, 2006, 03:17 AM
Wow. I pass through Red Bank all the time and my uncle lives there. I live in Oneida so I pass right through it on US 27 every time I head south to Chattanooga. Good for your neighbor. My father is handicapped from the age of four and shortly after I moved in with him, along with my gun and knife collection of course, we were finishing dinner one night and I heard BOOM! and I knew right away that someone was trying to kick the door in but it took a split second to register that it was really happening ya know and then BOOM and the door actually started to give way and right then dad said get a gun someones breaking in here!! and I was already doing just that so I grabbed my Winchester Defender and racked a 12 ga 00 shell into the chamber, and the next sound I heard was , he, she, it, them, burning rubber off my front porch and through the woods!!. I jerked the door open at that point and let fly with a couple of rounds into the ground in front of me just so they would hear and know just how close they came. They were running like their hair was on fire and their asses were catching! I say we because it sounded like at least two for sure. Then I ran back in and we went to call the cops and they had cut the phone line. They thought it was just my handicapped father here alone and those big brave bad asses were going to come in and slap him around and steal everything or god knows what else. Now I keep my new Winchester Defender I got later loaded with one less than lethal round in the chamber and seven 00 in the tube so if god forbid it ever happened again I will let them come on through and light their tails up with it and if that does not turn them around I will have a round of 00 in the chamber in the blink of an eye and it darn sure will. And thats to say nothing of my new custom AR right beside it and my new never even fired (I gotta get some time and give the think a break in session big time before I can trust it really) Glock 22 with m3 and lasermaxx laser that never strays more than a few feetg from my right hand. I don't have any kids to worry about storage safety issues so much and as far as I am concerned having a self defence weapon locked up in a closet or safe is not having a gun at all. Quick access for me baby!! Thats been about 10 years ago and the closest we have had to that since was one year someone broke the door in while we were out of town and robbed us good but thats been like seven years ago and no trouble since, and we have the house very secure now with dead bolts on all doors and windows all blocked where you can't get in without smashing a window totally out or smashing the door clean off it's hinges so I don't worry.

LeonCarr
April 28, 2006, 04:51 AM
Why do you have a less than lethal round in there?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

EZ CZ75
April 28, 2006, 05:21 AM
Maybe it is to inflict as mcuh pain as possible before actually killing the perp. As a wrestler I always enjoyed inflicting pain, especially since I had my fair share inflicted upon me.

Just a thought.

Jamie C.
April 28, 2006, 05:30 AM
Now I keep my new Winchester Defender I got later loaded with one less than lethal round in the chamber and seven 00 in the tube...

This is not a good idea for two reasons:

1. It might be "less than lethal" for whoever you have to shoot with it, but it could get YOU killed.

2. Even with a L.T.L. round, using a firearm is still viewed as using lethal force, by the law and the courts. Meaning that if you are justified in firing at all, you're justified in killing whatever/whoever you're shooting at.

I'd not want to be the person that ended up in court that had used anything but "normal" ammunition in a firearm. Too easy for some slick-assed attorney to claim you really didn't feel your life was in danger, and therefore had no reason/right to fire.

Stuff anther round of 00, a slug, or even some no. 5 or 6 birdshot in that scattergun... and when you pull the trigger, MEAN IT.


J.C.

Jamie C.
April 28, 2006, 05:32 AM
*Double-tap*

Stupid lagging servers..... Grrrrr...

J.C.

JoeHatley
April 28, 2006, 10:39 AM
A cripple

Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

Joe (T-4 para)

foghornl
April 28, 2006, 10:49 AM
"Less-Than-Lethal" and 'Novelty' rounds, such as Bird Bombs, Screamers, Dragons Breath, et al are exactly that...Novelties.

Not that those rounds don't have certain uses, but in a very limited scope, and NOT IN MY FIREARMS. Having seen too many Bad Guys shake off what should have been fight-ending hits, I'm not willing to bet my life and limbs on Novelty Ammo. (Amazing what meth or PCP does to humans...Can you say "Superman Complex"? ? ?

If things have reached the point of having to present a weapon, then it is GO! time.

BTW, my warning shot consists of the "Snick!" of the fire control group being set to 'Operate'.

Malice
April 28, 2006, 12:56 PM
I don't think he meant anything by it.

I work with 4 guys in the summer. Three are seriously mexican and one is seriously Louisianna redneck.

He referes to what is known as "Hispanic" people as "Spainish." While that is not the PC term, everyone knows that he means nothing by it and thats just the only word he knows to use.

Anyway, I really like hearing stories like this. The very worst, other than children, is the stories when an elderly or disabled person is duct taped to their wheelchair, robbed blind, and left for dead. Sometimes beaten, or sometimes with tape or something over their mouth and nose.

It makes me feel so bad. Folks who have limited mobility are really easy pickings. They need to learn to be armed, it is twice as important for them as it is for a person who can sprint 100 yards on a moments notice, or swing a baseball bat.

Correia
April 28, 2006, 01:17 PM
EZ CZ75, I'm telling you this as a CCW instructor. Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, for the love of John Moses Browning tell anybody that you wanted to inflict pain on the badguy.

That will come back to haunt you if you do have to shoot somebody.

On the less than lethal shotgun round, agree with what was posted above. When cops use beanbags on somebody, it is usually in a very specific situation, and they usually have another cop with a real gun handy.

MICHAEL T
April 28, 2006, 02:02 PM
[QUOTE] JoeHatley
Senior Member

Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

Hey I'm a crip, get over it I can't walk more the 100' with out a aid. Doesn't bother me in the least. Time we stop worring about all this PC crap and tell like you see it . If some one has the feeling hurt Oh!! well , Most or our troubles today come because were always worring about hurting someones feelings. This started in 70's and now is overboard Can't tell jokes might offend some body race, color Can't call illegales wetbacks ,might upset them . It time people got some back bone and told the PC police to stick it.

Otherguy Overby
April 28, 2006, 02:14 PM
JoeHatley:
Quote:
A cripple


Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

Joe (T-4 para)

I usta know a couple of quads, one was on a respirator and couldn't breath on his own and a para. They called each other gimps. I didn't use the term. My experience with their argot was "gimp" was pretty much reserved for people with spinal cord injuries. I don't know what they called wheelchair people who had disabilities from other causes.

dasmi
April 28, 2006, 02:26 PM
Excellent work!

ball3006
April 28, 2006, 03:26 PM
said in spades......................If you are offended by a word I used, get over it, life goes on..........chris3

mnrivrat
April 28, 2006, 04:33 PM
Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

Thanks Joe,

But seriously it is OK for most of us with handycaps for one to make such a reference. We're not all that sensitive for the most part.

There's always different ways of saying the same thing that can express a word in a manner that is derogatory , but that's not the case here - there is no problem here - at least not for me. :D

Chipperman
April 28, 2006, 05:24 PM
Nice work, Mr. McCutcheon. Would have been better if it were a higher caliber, but it may be the most powerful round he can reliably use with his condition.

beaucoup ammo
April 28, 2006, 05:35 PM
Words and terms that are considered appropriate and acceptable change over time. Once, the word "cripple" was in common and respectable use. Today it's use to describe a person with a disability is considered offensive and
unacceptable.

How do we know the words we use now will be acceptable in the future when
the language has evolved further?

Take Care

Leanwolf
April 28, 2006, 06:32 PM
"Nice work, Mr. McCutcheon. Would have been better if it were a higher caliber, but it may be the most powerful round he can reliably use with his condition."


The most important thing is ACCURACY. A .32 in the right place wold have done just fine.

I know of a recent shooting in Los Angeles in which a police officer took THREE hits from a bad guy who used a .45ACP. Not one was a "killing" shot. After the hits, the police officer still was able to fire ONE round into center-of-mass and killed the bad guy. The p.o. was using a 9mm.

Accuracy above all, boys & girls. :)

L.W.

Standing Wolf
April 28, 2006, 08:56 PM
Judge Moon set a $500,000 bond for McCabe since he was on bond for aggravated robbery and aggravated assault.

Whoever let him out on bond should be jailed, too. If judges had to face the consequences of their decisions, we'd revert to old-fashioned American law P.D.Q.

mustanger98
April 28, 2006, 10:35 PM
Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

Hey, I am "a cripple" (both hips replaced, artheritic, fused back, and I'm just 31 years old now) and I'm not offended by the term. That's just me. Some of us are disabled worse than others and some of us deal with it ("cowboy up", in my case) better than others. No use cryin' over it.

It makes me feel so bad. Folks who have limited mobility are really easy pickings. They need to learn to be armed, it is twice as important for them as it is for a person who can sprint 100 yards on a moments notice, or swing a baseball bat.

That's why I sleep with a 1911. I recall somebody's girlfriend asked what they were scared of- I really liked the guy's answer... "nothing; this is a .45."

neil minor
April 28, 2006, 11:21 PM
SomeKid and omnivore75:

Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, but I wanted to say HI to the Tennesseans. I was born in Oak Ridge and stayed there until '05 when my job dragged me down to Georgia. I hope to return to TN soon.

I know these areas mentioned in the news articles. I used to spend a lot of time up at BSFNRRA. I would rather go up there than visit the Smokies. I have stayed at Pickett St Park about 50 times.

Take care up there, and take care of "up there."

GO VOLS.

Neil

chetrogers
April 28, 2006, 11:49 PM
Seemed like the .32 worked.The bad guy left.I sleep next to a .45 and have more faith in that,and nowadays i could imagin that you would just get sued if you shot somebody and they didnt die..I hope i never have to go through that but am ready if the time comes.

omnivore75
April 29, 2006, 12:59 AM
Sorry it took me so long to reply, been busy. A.) Thats why I don't use "novelty rounds" I use the top of the line LTL loads that are used by cops every day and I agree with the fact that cops use them is certain situations and always have backup but civilians have not always got that luxury and just as much responsibility. I mean if I see a guy breaking in and he is heavily armed I would of course say screw the LTL round and jack a 00 in the chamber and give him a lead shower, but what if he has a stick or club or tire iron. Do I really want to just blow him away just like that or would it be nice to be able to hit him with a LTL and then if that does not do it have some 00 do nail him with repeatedly if thats what it takes to protect me and my family. Thats why my 00 load is always Winchester Ranger low recoil 00, because of low flash and recoil indoors allowing better handling ang better follow up shots. Also I use the LTL round in my shotgun only, my other rounds in all my weapons are quite lethal I assure you. The fact of the matter is that the courts in most all states recognise the use of LTL rounds as the first round as a legitimate effort to defend yourself without having to resort to deadly force, at least thats the way it is supposed to be and it sure makes a lot of sense. I don't think the makers could print that the use of LTL as the first round was recognized by US courts as a legitimate attempt to end hostilities without having to go to deadly force if it was'nt but I but I am far from an expert and never claimed to be. Maybe it does make it slightly more dangerous for me personally, but I believe it is very little if any as I can fire the LTL round and have a round of 00 in the chamber in a split second as the LTL has no recoil hardly at all and my father is right there with his Taurus M627 stainless snub nose DAO hammerless 7 shot .357 and two 7 shot HKS speedloaders loaded with .38 spl +p JHP to back me up. He may be handicapped but his eyes and his trigger finger still work just fine. Clearly I do not intend to just blast anyone at random with any LTL round be it a 12 ga round or the ones I have put up for my .357/.38's and .40's unless I have good reason, and if you are stomping my door off the hinges at 3 am I assume you are not there with a get well card and candy. The simple fact is it reduces my liability. B.) I agree that cripple is not a very good term at all so thats why I say handicapped. My father is on crutches or a wheelchair ALL his life since the age of four and he is almost 52 now so I know what the handicapped go through. I myself broke my back in an ATV accident at the age of 16 and it has only gotten worse in all the years since 1992 so I am not in great shape myself, but I don't think he meant it bad. People should just think before they say something sometimes but accidents happen.

Jamie C.
April 29, 2006, 04:57 AM
The fact of the matter is that the courts in most all states recognise the use of LTL rounds as the first round as a legitimate effort to defend yourself without having to resort to deadly force...

Where, exactly, are you getting this information? The manufacturer's packaging?

Certainly not from any court I've ever been in...

Granted, things might have changed a bit, since I was a L.E.O., but given what I've seen and read concerning quite a few shootings, I don't think so.

The courts MAY consider a cop using LTL ammo, as part of department policy, to be a non-lethal attempt to end hostile actions, depending on circumstances, but I've seen no evidence that they're inclined to think that way toward a civilian with any sort of firearm.

As I've already stated, if you're justified in shooting, you're justified in killing.

Using "Less than Lethal" munitions only "muddies the waters" concerning whether or not you truly felt you were justified in firing, should something go wrong and you find yourself in court.

At very minimum, it could set you up for a civil suit, if not a criminal one.

But... it's your neck. Load your gun with whatever you like.

Just be sure and let us know how it all turns out, if you ever have to shoot anybody with a LTL round. ;)


J.C.

Car Knocker
April 29, 2006, 02:34 PM
"Less Than Lethal". Interesting term. Perhaps misleading. Definitely does not mean "No possibility of being lethal".

"Well, Your Honor, when I shot this guy I wasn't in fear of my life so I shot him with a Less Than Lethal round, see? Unfortunately, I accidentally hit him in the throat, crushed his trachea and he suffocated to death, see? Yessir, I shot him on purpose when I didn't think he was much of a threat to me. Yessir, he did die from that shot. Do I know the definition of murder? Uhhh."

mustanger98
April 29, 2006, 06:05 PM
My understanding is if you're not threatened in the gravest extreme and/or prepared to kill to survive, don't present your weapon. End of story. In case you haven't guessed, I ain't foolin' with "LTL" ammo.

Jamie C.
April 29, 2006, 06:16 PM
Tell ya what... go ask any cop that keeps a shotgun for HD if he/she uses LTL ammo in it, and if not, why.

I'll bet anything you want that you don't find even ONE that does, and all the ones that don't will tell ya that the only reason they ever use the stuff to begin with is because it's what the department REQUIRES them to use, under a particular set of circumstances.

People seem to forget that they are neither L.E.O.s nor soldiers, and that they aren't governed by the requirements or constraints of those particular job descriptions.... so they end up making bone-headed mistakes.

Also, folks that've never been in a life or death situation tend to vastly over-estimate how much time they're apt to have to make little decisions like...oh, I dunno.... which type of ammo to use on the ********* that's currently trying to kill 'em... :rolleyes:

Here's a little news-flash for all you rocket scientists out there: LOAD YOUR WEAPONS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO WAR, AND MEAN IT WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER!

...'Cause the other guy most certainly will. ;)

Oh, and just to keep it on topic, it'd seem that the .32 that the disabled fellow used also falls into the "less than lethal" category. Lucky for him the crack-head decided to break off his attack.


Sermon over... We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of scumbags getting their just desserts. :p


J.C.

CajunsMisty
April 29, 2006, 07:18 PM
Hi boys and girls. I've got a really bad back. Bad enough that the Federal Government, and the Commonwealth of Virginia call me "disabled" and "handicapped." I call myself a "cripple" or a "gimp." The tag with the wheelchair on it, that's on the back of my car is a "gimp tag."

What do you want me to do? Sit around and feel sorry for myself? Now help me down to the range, and lean me against the bench. I wanna shoot.

By the way. If you happen to be a bad guy, and you see an old, red-haired lady, hobbling down the street, ask yourself..."Is that the one with the Makarov?"

gunsmith
April 29, 2006, 07:45 PM
but what if he has a stick or club or tire iron. Do I really want to just blow him away just like that or would it be nice to be able to hit him with a LTL

Someone with a club and or a tire iron means to kill or maim you.
The reason they do not have a gun is if they are caught
with one while committing a crime then they get more time.

Try an experiment, give yourself a very light tap in the noggin
with a tire iron, now imagine a criminal swinging real hard with the tire iron...

I co-operated ...once... with a home invasion robbery (I was in NYC and unarmed) they stabbed me after tying me up, they laughed as they stabbed me in the back while my hands were tied up.

Please don't assume the guy breaking into your house has the same "live and let live" mindset you have.
It's an indication of your humanity and your thoughfullness and your kindness
that you would rather take the fight out of him then kill him.
You have a responsibillity to your self and your family to protect the lives in your household

dm1333
April 29, 2006, 09:58 PM
Many angencies now refer to them as "Less Lethal" because if you happen to use them at shorter ranges they are still lethal. Our rubber stingballs have a minimum range of 5 yards and the rubber fin stabilized is 15 yards. At ranges shorter than those the round is considered lethal. In a home invasion scenario the LTL may actually still be deadly.

omnivore75
April 30, 2006, 01:39 AM
I earnestly hope that I never have to shoot anyone for any reason with any kind of round. As you said to each his own. It makes me feel better and thats good enough for me personally. I wish the rights belonged to victims instead of slimeballs like it used to be. Back in the old days if a man was breaking in your house his rear end was as good as paid for. You could just plug him and then do a jig around the corpse, and if it were up to me it still would be that way and no one would need to use a LTL lethal round anytime. And to keep the record straight, just because cops use LTL rounds does not mean they are the only people on the face of the earth with the right or knowhow to use them. Anyone can make a goofball mistake (see video of DEA agent shooting himself in the foot with his issue Glock while teaching a gun safety lecture to a room full of young students. He said on a news interview I saw the other day that he was justified in using the Loaded Glock because as an agent he must always be armed, but if so he should have kept his duty weapon in it's holster and used another empty gun or made sure his own gun was clear before he went in the class to do a demonstration with it, but people make mistakes.)

omnivore75
April 30, 2006, 01:45 AM
O and that reminds me. I meant to mention that I have the rounds that are like a "bean bag". I saw the rubber projectiles and those definitely look like they could do serious damage and I have no doubt that the bag rounds could cause serious injury at close range but nothing like the large rubber or "hornets nest" multiple rubber projectiles. Seems to me like I saw Johnny Knoxvilles dumb rear end on something, I don't know if it was on MTV or that Jackass movie or what, and he let one of the LTL round manufaturer reps (I think) shoot him in the lower abdomen with a bag round and it put him down and left a major whelk and blood bruise on him. NOT a passtime I would advise.

Jamie C.
April 30, 2006, 08:42 AM
Back in the old days if a man was breaking in your house his rear end was as good as paid for.

In TN, if a person forces entry into your house, he is, as you say, "Bought and Paid For".

Our laws here changed, back about 10 years ago or so, and there was quite a squabble, with many people saying that the changes amounted to the state allowing murder. Because of all the squabbling, there was the requirement added that the person had to force entry into your home. They don't even have to be armed, since the presumes that anyone forcing their way into your home intends you death or serious bodily harm.

So, where you say "The simple fact is it reduces my liability."
I know for a fact that the LTL rounds only INCREASE your liability, and the chance that you'll be hurt or killed by an intruder.

And yes, I live in Tennessee... 'bout 20-25 minutes from Ft. Cambell and gate 4.
And I worked for the local S.O. during the time those laws, and the domestic violence laws, were changed.

But don't take my word for it.... look the laws up. It's easy enough to do, here on the internet.


J.C.

CajunBass
April 30, 2006, 09:12 AM
Say SomeKid. You must have gone to school with my youngest son. He was always coming home from school with stories about how "SomeKid" did this, or "SomeKid" did that.

Of course, we figurd out about the second time that he was really "SomeKid." :D

Stand_Watie
April 30, 2006, 03:19 PM
I saw Johnny Knoxvilles dumb rear end on something, I don't know if it was on MTV or that Jackass movie or what, and he let one of the LTL round manufaturer reps (I think) shoot him in the lower abdomen with a bag round and it put him down and left a major whelk and blood bruise on him. NOT a passtime I would advise.

I've seen those things and they're scary. Any weapon that leaves large whelks I'm keeping away from :D

http://www.arkive.org/media/2B075415-3D2F-42DD-9CA8-E70D3B1BED44/Presentation.Large/large-Common-whelk-on-seabed.jpg

Jamie C.
April 30, 2006, 03:27 PM
Yeah, it's amazing how many people don't know the difference between a "welk" and a "welt"... or the difference between a "less than lethal" munition and surviving a lethal encounter... :rolleyes:

But then, I'm no expert, even for having survived the latter... ( Don't encounter many giant snails, here in Tennessee. )


J.C.

omnivore75
May 2, 2006, 12:44 AM
Welk, welt, whatever. I could care less. You got the point. I don't know about the law changing I just know that two of our local SCPD Deouties here told me that someone had to be inside of your home forcibly and trying to harm you or a family member before deadly force is justified. Either way the argument is pointless. We have already agreed that "to each his own" is they way of things. I'm am sure that if everyone on this forum were to get together and compare their types of ammunition, weapons, gear, tactics and underwear preference we would see all kinds of startling difference of opinion because we all have our weapons and survival gear and bookshelves or whatever else the way we want and personally feel comfortable with and besides the most important thing is to practice and be proficient with your weapon/weapons anyway, the type is secondary, so in an effort to keep this thread from becoming an eight page debate on the merits or problems of LTL rounds or the proper or improper word for a red mark on a persons body from being struck with an object which actually has no end and no one cares about anyway, I will sincerely say thank everyone for their replies and I definitely do appreciate all comments because there is always something to learn from others, and cease any further posts to the thread. Thanks.

Crosshair
May 2, 2006, 03:09 AM
I read Fark.com and I try and submit pro-gun articles whenever possible, mine didn't get greenlit, but I think you would like the title I came up with.

Disabled man wakes up and finds burglar in his house. Man applies .32-caliber burglar repellent 4 times and burglar disappears immediately

/:D

CrazyIrishman
May 2, 2006, 10:12 PM
I'm disabled myself with arthritis in both hips and lower back. I have to use a wheelchair quite a bit, and YES,I have been called a crip,gimp, etc. My friends who I have known all my life(almost 50 years) are more offended than I am over what some people say.

Where I live, there was a B&E last night on the same floor as I am (1st floor)but at the other side of the building. This guy just had vertebrae removal from his neck and has lost parts of both legs from diabetes. He saw the part of one leg leaving his window as he was waking up.

We aren't supposed to have weapons here(yeah,right).Hopefully, MR. Perp won't visit me only to be disappointed!

I believe in the old adage "better to be judged by twelve than carried by six"!

Jamie C.
May 2, 2006, 10:38 PM
....I just know that two of our local SCPD Deouties here told me that someone had to be inside of your home forcibly and trying to harm you or a family member before deadly force is justified.

Again, do a little research and look it up yourself.

Even a cursory search of your local news station's websites will turn up the fact that no home owner in TN has been prosecuted for shooting an actual home invader, in the last 10 years or so. Just ask Charlie Chase. :D
( Or better yet, ask his idiot kid. )

Anyway.... yes, it's your choice.

I'm just trying to make sure you make an informed choice, not one based on hearsay, rumor, or "common knowledge". ( This last usually comes closer to "urban myth" than actual fact. )


J.C.

Zen21Tao
May 3, 2006, 06:55 AM
A cripple


Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?


How about a “Crip”? (Not meant offensively, just a stab at this PC nonsense) :D
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9900/702image171in.jpg

dartos
May 3, 2006, 08:46 AM
Disabled..

who is able..and who is disabled?
My dear father in law, sweet man, rolled a jeep ,WWII (hauling liquor for an officer), he insists on parking in the handicap space and using the electric card at the walmart...
He lives alone on 28 acres in northern minnesota, when we visit, he's pull'n stumps, drag'n equipment, the guy can lift his rideing mower to check the blade.

My turn... I'm 50, I spent 27 years assisting surgeons, bending over patients from the opposite side of the surgeon, it would have been helpful to my back if I could have leaned on the patients to take the load off my spine, but there would be around 10,000 of you good people with bruises on your body where I leaned on you.
I had spine surgery this last Feb. ( I knew every one in the room, they all got to see me buck naked, one of my friends even put a foley in me, I told all in the room I had tanned, so as not to blind them with my white butt when they turned me over), the surgery went OK, I was told I would be off work 6 weeks ( I'm self employed, no disablity, no money..), Well! my surgeon said my spine is still unstable and not to think of any work for five months and then I can never bend over (assist in surgery) again.
So I guess I'm disabled.


Yesterday I was tinkering in the garage when a suv stopped in front of the house, several young kids, early 20's, got out and one walked up to me and said they were offering to clean a section of carpet..for free,they would offer to come in to the house to 'LOOK' at the carpet and come back later with cleaning equipment, he handed me a flyer that said "we clean carpet", there was no business name or phone number, they said they were new and did not yet have a name or Ph#, I said "no thanks" and they went next door to push their scam, I quickly stepped inside, placed my holstered P99 in my waistband and pulled my shirt over it, I went out with pen and paper to write down their plate info...they had no plates!, I called 911, as I did the guys drove off, I was impressed, the police chief arrived in an unmarked in less than 3 min., the chief agreed with me that these guys were "cleaners", and that they would return later to steal the valuble items they saw while "checking the carpet".

When I took the CCW class, they told me it is not a justified shooting if you are twenty feet or more from the threat, because you can run..that no longer applies to me, I can't run, for the first time I was scared.. the three guys could have run up to me, dragged me into the garage....

I guess I am going to have to carry more often.

Kevin

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