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Winchester94
April 29, 2006, 04:06 AM
Thought a couple questions up for your minds to ponder:

Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?

If they are not too happy with guns, is that an excuse to dump them?

This applies to both males and females, and answers from both sides are welcome. I am just curious about it is all.

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WeedWhacker
April 29, 2006, 04:49 AM
I'll assume you're referencing those who live in the USA. Any American that cares about his/her country and understands how our system of government works should be a supporter of those who wish to keep and bear their own arms. (Heck, it could even be construed from the Declaration of Independence that it is the *duty* of every American to own a firearm.)

I can't see how it would matter if one of the individual's didn't care for firearms unless they said something along the lines of "either me or the guns go"; then that individual should get the ol' heave-ho.

Re-education is always an option, too.

LeonCarr
April 29, 2006, 04:55 AM
Yes and Yes

Maybe that is why I am still single, but why settle?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

NukemJim
April 29, 2006, 06:00 AM
YES & YES

NukemJim

Baba Louie
April 29, 2006, 06:44 AM
Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them? Yes. Open mind necessary, as is knowledge of 2nd Amendment (and other BOR's) justification from a historical POV.
If they are not too happy with guns, is that an excuse to dump them?Maybe. IF, if, they have justifiable reasons, it might be worthy of consideration in light of their many other positive attributes. There are way too many other potential partners out there who actually enjoy this one aspect of my life who can and will share in this hobby, this study of arms, the responsibility and freedom that the knowledge & ownership thereof brings. At the very least, wry, amused tolerance is required to get along with moi anyway. I personally would not use the words "dump them"... I'd set her free to find a compatible mate of her own ilk... and hope and pray they don't reproduce like minded little Americans. ;)

Barbara
April 29, 2006, 07:24 AM
I spend 10-20 hours a week doing gun-related stuff and occasionally get to shoot. Anyone I'd be involved in would have to be at least unopposed, and given my involvement, would probably have to be a real supporter or it would cause problems.

Phantom Warrior
April 29, 2006, 08:03 AM
I think those should be basic requirements. My best friend married a wonderful woman who, while she isn't really a shooter, is very tolerant of his hobby and has no problem with him carrying a gun. If you look hard enough, you can find what you are looking for.

redneck2
April 29, 2006, 08:05 AM
To those that haven't been the marriage, or multiple marriage route....

Conflict in this area is just a preview of other conflicts to come. Nearly all women "get" a guy with the idea that "I'll change him". If any women reading this think this is a sexist, harsh, or incorrect statement I'll be happy to point out tons of proof in virtually every relationship I know. It's just so common that women regard it as natural.

When I point this out to women I know who are PO'd because of the actions of their spouse, the answer is always, and I mean always "well, yeah, but he SHOULD change (or quit doing that, or start doing that) because...

Men are simpleton creatures of habit that think about food, sex, and sleep in no particular order depending on the time of day and what's going on. Women feel that the guy in their life should think about them 24/7. Guys really think about themselves and what they want to do.

Throw in a passion for another outside activity that doesn't mesh with what the little woman wants and you've got one more thing she has to change.

Most women are also emotional nutbags that spend most every minute of every waking day worrying about how they look, what another woman said behind their back, why their husband won't go to the opera (of course he always hated opera, but she's gonna get him to like it). Over 50% of the women in the US are on some type of anti-depressant. I know, my wife works in a medical office.

Point is, the cards are stacked against you from the start. If you think this is wrong, take a cruise thru the courthouse while divorce proceedings are going on. If there are things you know cause conflict from the start, better have a pre-nuptual. Ain't gonna work. Trust me. Been there, done that, seen it hundreds of times.

Clipper
April 29, 2006, 08:18 AM
...My wife, up until a couple weeks ago, owned more guns than I did. Now we're even...We once went on a handgun hunting date for snowshoe hare!

...Barbara, what part of Michigan are you from?

rudolf
April 29, 2006, 08:21 AM
If you need deny or dump your guns to get her affection you'll be dumping other parts of your life until you don't know who you are anymore. Women who want to change you will make you very unhappy on the log run. Look for one who respects you as you are.

redneck2
April 29, 2006, 08:31 AM
As an added note, my newest wife worked overtime and sold part of her vacation back to buy me a Colt SAA and a Browning BPCR. They're out there, just don't go into a relationship thinking "we'll work this out". Actually, the two lawyers will work it out along with the judge

If you're thinking about getting deeply involved with someone who's values don't mesh with yours from the start, slam your hand in a car door instead. It's less painful.

One of three things will happen...

she'll change (chances are slim and none and Slim left town)

you'll change (which means you give up what you want, but she's got you changed to suit her needs)

You end up changing spouses

Nortonics
April 29, 2006, 08:34 AM
If you get into your hobbies like I do, and guns being a big hobby for me, yet your partner has issues with guns and/or the cost of the hobby, you will be bumming from now to eternity, or at least until the divorce - it's a gimme'.

Ohen Cepel
April 29, 2006, 08:40 AM
I always made it clear while I was dating that I was very into firearms and that I was not going to change that portion of my life.

I just saw it as a matter of honesty. No reason to hide things that later may be an issue. If the lady had an issue with it best for us both that the relationship not go far.

I wouldn't have gotten rid of my firearms for any of them. Also, I wouldn't have wanted any of them to have given up a major issue for them just to pacify me. That only leads to resentment.

MrTwigg
April 29, 2006, 09:01 AM
Gun-owning requires and open mind at least. It's better if there at least some tolerance, but acceptance is better. As a sole excuse to "Dump Them.", No. You would have to define the "Not too happy" part more.

My wife knew of my interest in hunting before we became engaged and she was tolerant. By this I mean she understood hunting and owning guns was important to me she was willing to move into my house and not attempt to try to change my views.

Over time (Now ten years.) she became accepting and while she never once told me "You can't buy another gun!", but she did want to discuss why I felt I needed to buy another one. Not objecting, just attempting to understand why.

After experiencing a couple of attempted break-in's in our former neighborhood she became more interested in learning to use firearms for self defense, especially so after the birth of our only child.

As my own interests in firearms expand ( I recently applied for a C&R and have a growing Milsurp collection. ) so has her own interests. My wife now goes plinking with my son and I, she has become competent in using the HD shotgun I keep ready and has expressed interest in obtaining a licence to carry for the first time.

Some things take time but she’s coming around ! :D

Hemicuda
April 29, 2006, 09:03 AM
My Girlfriend (of 15 years now) was made aware of my collection and hobby right from day 2 (our second date)...

at that time, she was basically an anti, but she ubderstood and was tolerant...

NOW, she owns a couple, outshoots me with a shotgun, and considers my collection her "personal firearms stash"...

maybe teaching her about guns wasn't the best thing for keeping my collection to myself... but DAMN has it been fun these last few years!

Yep, i tell them right away, and they had BETTER be tolerant of the guns, at the very least!

Sewerman
April 29, 2006, 09:34 AM
When my wife and i were dating she saw my closet full of guns one night and the first thing out of her mouth was "Sam Colt did more for womens rights in this country than NOW ever thought about." I knew right then she was the one for me.

dracphelan
April 29, 2006, 09:47 AM
This is one of many things you should discuss before getting serious with anyone. Some of the others are:

1. Do you want children?
2. If so, how do you expect them to be raised?
3. What, if any, changes are expected after marriage?

I fully believe that the divorce rate would be lower if people would discuss all aspects and expectations of married life before getting engaged.

Pilot
April 29, 2006, 10:08 AM
Redneck2 nailed it. He is exactly right. Do not compromise away the things you value for any woman.

stevelyn
April 29, 2006, 10:31 AM
At least tolerant. I'm not changing for anyone. If a woman thinks I need to change or improve, she needs to shop elsewhere for a different model.

For a relationship to work, a couple has to have similar core values. Absent those values, you're just wasting your time.

DunedinDragon
April 29, 2006, 10:42 AM
The way I look at it is this,

I'm pretty happy with myself. That includes the way I run my life, my hobbies, my interests, etc. I call my own shots in my life and I don't need anyone to tell me how to do things. I've done them just fine for over a half century.

If a woman thinks she has something to offer and can fit in without being more of a burden than a benefit, she's welcome. But otherwise I know that men will definately have an easier way through life alone than will a woman. I'm perfectly fine going to a bar or a movie by myself. I can take care of myself and not have to worry about some perv trying to rape me. Maybe some women should think about that before they start deciding to make demands on their men.

Barbara
April 29, 2006, 11:15 AM
*snort*

:D

1wildbill
April 29, 2006, 11:44 AM
I was just lucky, there is no other way to put it. Men think they can change women too. The only thing I wanted to change about my wife was her self confidence. She didn't have much, thanks to her ex-husband.

She knew I owned guns when she met me. She has bought me guns as gifts and I have taught her how to shoot. We go to the range together. She wants to get a CHL and carry a .45.

If I were single I would not be interested in an anti-gun woman, at least not for marriage;) .

Pistol Toter
April 29, 2006, 11:48 AM
Every few days I see threads with the topic of gun ownership and a mate. My God people this is not rocket science or brain surgery. I have been married nearly 35 years and I am with in a few days of being 53 years old. Being raised in a rural section of the country gun ownership, hunting, utility and sport shooting, as well as fishing was / is the norm. Girls, at least back then, pretty well figured that their beau would be involved in those activities. My wife is not active in my appreciation of firearms but neither is she against it. She knows that I conceal carry a weapon, she knows why I do and she is not opposed. It is part of life, she realizes that the world we live in has changed from Lo those many years ago and that I love her to the point of laying down my life for her. If the person you are involved with does not understand your position then a decission will have to be made. It is a matter of priorities. Which is more important to you and your mate. Make that decission and move on. We are not launching a space shuttle. The making of a life long relationship is actually for more important than a space launch and that relationship takes a lifetime to establish, grow and mature. I'm not there yet! If there is not enough maturity to start with, it is doomed from the get go. You can not marry a person and expect to change them. They are who they are, it is a give and take proposition. It is not a 50/50 but a 100/100, both willing to give for the better of the other. Only in that ratio will both survive together. If the woman or man that you are in a relationship with is not willing to give and understand whatever it is about you, whether it is cars, high heel shoes and dresses, keeping the toilet seat in the down position, guns or, or, or, ....... whatever, you better take a long look at what your doing. Be prepared to say "I'm Sorry" for the rest of your life. You sir or you lady are going to make mistakes. They put erasers on pencils for folks who make mistakes. OK, Bill or Charlie or Ann or Flasemay you have guns the partner needs to understand that you come with those items or you better be prepared to relinquish them. What will you do, what will I do, what will the next 10 people who see this do, is an individual decission, it's personal and private. DO IT, GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!
Whew, Pistol Toter

walking arsenal
April 29, 2006, 12:30 PM
Wow, pistol.

Ok, anyway. My wife, mentioned previously by phantom, is very tolerant of my gun "hobbie". I made sure of this before i married her. I also made sure we were on the same page with religion and children (both having and raising).

In all cases i was entirely prepared to go my seperate way if we did not see eye to eye on these things. They are important to me. Loved her? Sure did. Still do. But i was making a LIFE LONG commitment. Why wouldnt i try and make sure it would work.

I think a lot of people this day in age get their vision clouded by "LOVE" instead of looking for a life long relationship they are looking for fun. They wont work to make it work.

mordechaianiliewicz
April 29, 2006, 12:46 PM
My fiancee and me both wish to have 4 children. I'm Jewish, she isn't religious, but doesn't fight my beliefs or what I hold dear and close to my heart. And has no problem with our children being raised Jewish (my own personal opinion though is that kids in teen years decide what their gonna do, and if they stray from their parents religion, it's a tossup as to if they come back).

As for guns, she grew up in Texas and got into shooting at an early age. She likes guns, and enjoys shooting and actually shoots rifles a good amount better than me. I couldn't be happier because all I really needed was a girl who was indifferent and accepting. Instead, I got a girl who loves guns.

AJ Dual
April 29, 2006, 12:52 PM
Orignaly posted by Barbara:
*snort*

:D

Yeah,

But then again, you're a member here. On a gun board.

They're not all like you, you know...

MedGrl
April 29, 2006, 12:56 PM
One fo the most important things in relationships (not just romantic but friendship as well) is tolerance. We don't date or build friendships with carbon copies of ourself because that would be boring. We make friendships with and are attracted to people who are different from us and with that difference comes dissagreement. If someone you are friends with or romanticaly interested in is intollereant of your enjoyment of all things gun related then you need to speak with them and if an agreement can be reached that doesn't involve you giving up guns...whether it is you just not speaking about guns around them and them not bringing up anti-gin propaganda then the relation ships has some hope.

This doesn't apply to just guns. Some issues (usualy political) just can't be disscussed in a civilized manner by two people who oppose eachother on it. If a truce can be reached then give the relationship a try but never go into a relationship thinking you can change them or a relationship where they want you to change. I think the "gun issue" in dating is encountered more by men. I was single when I started down the Gunny road and am still single so I havn't encountered anything dating related though I have had areguments with two of my friends. One just doesn't bring up guns and neither do I and that has worked out fine. The other one keps asking me questions trying to understand what I enjoy about "something used for violence".

I guess the simpleset answere is that tolereance on both sides is requiered for any relationship and as long as a happpy medium can be reached there is no reason to automaticaly dump them just because you dissagree.

Ragnarok
April 29, 2006, 01:16 PM
What do you mean the gun or the knife?

Ragnarok
April 29, 2006, 01:18 PM
Are you a fully trained medic or something?

Ragnarok
April 29, 2006, 01:22 PM
My life sucks. Its all about pain and many other things. almost everyone in my family hates me 100%. You guys probably have a good life where people don't yell at you everyday.my brothers and sisters suck!!!

redneck2
April 29, 2006, 03:16 PM
One of the most important things in relationships (not just romantic but friendship as well) is tolerance. We don't date or build friendships with carbon copies of ourself because that would be boring. We make friendships with and are attracted to people who are different from us and with that difference comes dissagreement.Go into divorce court and see how tolerant people are. If you have this type of belief about life and life mates, you're in for a rough ride. Tolerance is woman-speak for "I can change him". A woman isn't going to tolerate diddly crap if it doesn't fit her values. Oh, she might for a while, but eventually it's "if he loved me he would do _______for me"

It's real, real simple. We like people we like. We don't like people we don't like

Nicky Santoro
April 29, 2006, 03:28 PM
"Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?

If they are not too happy with guns, is that an excuse to dump them?"

Yes for #1, maybe for #2. If she bitches continually, that's just a preview of what is to come on all issues with which you don't share the same philosophy.
If she says she disagrees but do as you see fit, that's fine. If she disagrees and demands that you concur, run Forest, run.

redneck2
April 29, 2006, 07:53 PM
This...If she says she disagrees but do as you see fit, that's fine.Leads to this...If she bitches continually, that's just a preview of what is to come on all issues with which you don't share the same philosophy.Which should have been preceded by... run Forest, run.

BHPshooter
April 29, 2006, 08:21 PM
1) Yes, in a sense. With any girl that I would consider getting serious with, I make it clear that guns and shooting are a big part of my life, and that if they're not cool with that, then a relationship is NOT going to work.

2) Maybe. If a girl tries to do the tricky act of "buy the dress first, then make alterations later," then it is an excuse to break it off.

If she is someone who could accept it and tolerate it, then it could work. If it's someone who can't, it won't work. If she's pro-gun, then it could work, but we'll both have to have full-time jobs to pay for ammo. :D

Wes

Barbara
April 29, 2006, 09:13 PM
They're not all like you, you know...

For which, I'm sure, many people are grateful. :)

Hemicuda
April 29, 2006, 09:16 PM
some (I'll wager ALOT) of guys on this board, TFL, and many other gun and rkba boards would literally almost KILL to find a gunny girl like you!

don't under estimate yourself!

dasmi
April 29, 2006, 09:17 PM
Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?
Yes.
Ignorance of guns, gun rights, and self defense is fine. Hatred of said things is not.

Barbara
April 29, 2006, 09:20 PM
I don't underestimate myself.

Sometimes I over-estimate badly. :)

I still think if I ever decided to get involved with someone, he would have to be more than just open to the idea of guns and all the other stuff. It seems it would be doubly difficult for a woman to introduce a man to the idea. Maybe that's just perception, I don't know. I know my ex didn't care much for the idea, and he hunted/plinked so I could be overly cautious.

Kurt_M
April 29, 2006, 09:35 PM
Yes and yes. I sell guns part time, and every other guy is in there trying to figure out how to hide the purchase from his wife and bitching about the problems she gives him for shooting. Sometimes these wives accompany the husbands to the store and make a stink while they're there. Not for me, thank you very much. There are plenty of attractive ladies out there who have a little common sense, I'll hold out for one of them.

thumbody
April 30, 2006, 07:47 AM
Barbara
I don't underestimate myself.

Sometimes I over-estimate badly.

Or as George Bush would say mis-underestimate.
I got pretty lucky,while my wife is no gun nut she has been shooting with me.She has also bought a couple of guns for me for Christmas and I have received a few boxes of ammo in my stocking.

jamz
April 30, 2006, 08:32 AM
Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?

Depends what you mean by "gun tolerant". My only requirement is that she is tolerant of me, whatever that may bring. I got into guns well after I was married. She is an anti, but tolerates not guns, but rather my involvement, keeping and shooting them. Only reason she does is because she loves me and wants me to be happy, and knows how important guns are to me.

Otherwise I'm sure she would vote to have them all destroyed, UK style. I'm trying to bring her around, bit by bit to eradicate the fear and ignorance. :)

Tried'nTrue
April 30, 2006, 08:40 AM
I'm gonna chime in on this one based on my most recent dating experience. I met the girl on-line and, after speaking together for a while, we decided to meet. While on the phone, I had told her my beliefs about firearms and personal ownership thereof (very much for it, in case you're wondering :) ) She said that she could understand long-arms, as hunting was kosher in her books. However, she couldn't get past her mental construct of handguns being pure evil. "Ah, well", I said to myself, "Perhaps she'll come around. When she sees that I really am not a deranged sicko, she may get a fuller view. Besides, I'm just getting to know her and things aren't serious, at all."

Well, fast-forward to our first meeting and first several dates. They all went well and guns weren't really discussed. Fast-forward again another month and I start noticing things about her. For instance: while we were in a mall, I took out my pocket knife to test its sharpness on a used paper cup. She immediately freaked out, demanding that I put the knife away immediately so no one sees me using it! I complied, not wanting to make a big deal out of it. Besides, I didn't have real NEED to use that knife right then, I was just amusing myself. Then another example: I am an aspiring knife maker. In the past, she said that she supported me in my ambitions. In a convo, though, she let slip that she was "still trying to accept the idea of me making knives". Yet another example: I tease her that I've finally got my CCL, just to gauge her reaction. Her response? "Wow. If you really do, I'm seriously going to have to re-think this relationship."

Upon reflection of all these seemingly little incidents, as well as input from some trusted individuals, I eventually came to the conclusion that she didn't like the real me Doing things like talking about guns and carrying a sharp, useful knife are intrinsic to who I am. These seemingly small deeds were quite alarming, and even repulsive, to her. Oh, I was up-front about my feelings on these issues and she said that she supported me. But she really didn't. Some of my core values were diametrically opposed to hers, and there was no reconciliation save one of us denying our true self.

In the end, I broke up with her, explaining that my values were not compatible with hers. She eventually understood where I was coming from. Even if she hadn't, I knew more about myself and knew that I had to break up and move on.

What I learned is this: in a dating/romantic relationship, do NOT deny your values for the other person!! Both will end up miserable, period. There are actually women out there who share my values, or at least respect my values, and myself. I want to be respected by a woman that I respect. That's what I'm holding out for in a relationship :)

ChairborneRanger
April 30, 2006, 09:02 AM
Gun tolerant is close enough IMHO. Married 26 years----my wife was never into guns before she met me-----she still isn't (very much)-----but she does love to come out with me and plink with "her" Browning .22! Put it this way----it "works" for us!

erh
April 30, 2006, 09:18 AM
ChairborneRanger - This is very close to my identical situation, & I agree that this is right for me (us..!)

Eric Howland

Leanwolf
April 30, 2006, 02:13 PM
DUNEDinDRAGON - "... I can take care of myself and not have to worry about some perv trying to rape me."


You don't live in San Francisco, do you? :uhoh: :)

L.W.

Winchester94
April 30, 2006, 02:18 PM
This is quite a thread, thanks for the imput. I already had my conclusions drawn on this and found that it fit in well with alot of the people who posted here. I am only re-affirmed.

Gun tolerant is close enough IMHO. Married 26 years----my wife was never into guns before she met me-----she still isn't (very much)-----but she does love to come out with me and plink with "her" Browning .22! Put it this way----it "works" for us!

This is how it is with my Mom and Dad. Mom isn't into guns, but the whole family goes shooting and sometimes she does it. So far, they've been married nearly 23 years.

Deanimator
April 30, 2006, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't waste time on somebody who didn't value their own life and safety, much less my own. Anybody who thinks that the police CAN protect you or that they have much legal duty to do so, clearly isn't paying attention. Somebody that oblivious really isn't interesting to me.

shaldag
April 30, 2006, 05:21 PM
Well, my wife found out that I do a lot of shooting on our first date. She had never seen a privately-owned gun in her life prior to meeting me. She was also a NYC girl, and hung out in a very anti-gun society. The only thing that she asked me was "where do you store your guns?" When I informed her "either on my person or in a safe" she was fine with it. And since we have moved to a relatively secluded place (by her standards)--well, when we hear that odd noise at night or have seen a strange car parked in our driveway at about 11 pm, she has definately seen the advantage.......

gruvinbass
April 30, 2006, 05:43 PM
Wish I still lived in MI Barbara :P

Barbara
April 30, 2006, 07:42 PM
Brave talk for someone whose actually met me. :)

(DSC, in '03, right?)

xd9fan
April 30, 2006, 08:50 PM
+1 pistol!!!!

Just glad my wife "gets it"

as an ICU RN......its MY business to protect life......conceal carry is just a natural extension of that.

gruvinbass
April 30, 2006, 10:58 PM
yep got it in one :what:

rayra
May 1, 2006, 12:54 AM
'happy tolerance' is an absolute minimum, non-negotiable, determined within the first couple dates (if not sooner). Anything less builds a negative into the relationship.

Hemicuda
May 1, 2006, 07:08 AM
Being that we're both from Michigan, when do i get to meet you, Barbara?

Barbara
May 1, 2006, 07:41 AM
If you have kids, bring them to the Family Day event in Howell on May 20th.

If you don't have kids, steal some and bring them. :neener:

Hemicuda
May 1, 2006, 07:49 AM
On may 20th, i'll be working at a "family Fun Shoot" at Gladwin Sporting Clays, put on by the National Wild Turkey Federation, Ogemaw Hills Chapter... (I'm a committee member)

proceeds pay for a kids rifle league, and a kids day at GSC...

I do however visit Howell, on occasion, as a good friend works at Lucas/Vreadi - Kelsey/Hayes...

sigman4rt
May 1, 2006, 11:47 AM
Terrific thread. Interesting side note, I know a married couple. She was born here, He's a NYC transplant and the local weatherman. When they first started dating he found out she had firearms. He was kinda taken aback. Her quote was, "I have guns, they aren't going away, get used to it." Now, many years later, they are still happily married and bit by bit he's coming around.

JohnKSa
May 1, 2006, 11:50 PM
Honestly, when you're dating, you ought to be looking for reasons to dump them.

It's MUCH harder and MUCH more expensive to dump them after you marry them. ;)

farranger
May 2, 2006, 04:53 PM
Told my wife when she was my girlfriend that I was a gun guy and if she could not handle that fine, we could break up. She was fine. A couple years later her dad was all worried about us having guns, he's and old worry wart and she said, on the phone, "dad, we are gun people..." I was proud of her.
Funny thing is, two of his three sons are hunters and shooters and he has never said squat to them. well as far as I know anyhow. go figure.

gopguy
May 2, 2006, 07:04 PM
About 24 years ago the gal I dated in my College days and my mother were talking about how I had too many guns. The young lady said to my mom, "Well after we are married I am making him sell them all". I jumped in to the conversation, saying "My dear you don't want me to choose between you and my guns". :evil: The subject was quickly dropped. Amazingly the relationship lasted three years.....I put up with a lot of crap....but she did look like a combination of Marilyn Monroe and Jayne Mansfield...Great rack....Pity those were not brains......:banghead: But I do have very fond memories of her. lol;)

She is a college professor today at Kent State University in Ohio. Many a pin head in academia where it comes to guns.:cuss:

Joey2
May 2, 2006, 10:33 PM
Winchester94,
Please look between your legs, is there anything there?

ball3006
May 3, 2006, 02:49 PM
then to hell with them. If something should happen to SWMBO, I doubt if I will marry again. About 99.9 women my age have let their body go bad on them so what is the point? I do believe a former co-worker friend of my wife's would move in and tell me to just shut up, life goes on. I trained her for her CHL.............chris3

Semper Fidelis
May 3, 2006, 10:19 PM
Yes & Yes - Tolerance is a virtue. If a potential spouse is going to be "adamantly opposed" (intolerant) about something I enjoy, is important to me, legal and hurts no one - then that bodes ominously for the success of our marriage. It'd be the first of many, many things I'd end up giving up and in the long run would be bitter fruit.

2400
May 4, 2006, 12:39 PM
Thought a couple questions up for your minds to ponder:

(1)Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?

(2)If they are not too happy with guns, is that an excuse to dump them?

(1)Yes
(2)Yes

Stiletto Null
May 4, 2006, 12:52 PM
1. "Tolerant" isn't quite enough, the girl has to actually be "OK" to "supportive", even if she's not also an enthusiast like me.

2. "Not being terribly happy" with my gun habit isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's kind of useful having someone remind that I really do need to save money for trivial stuff like food and bills. My ex (we hang out a lot, we'll probably wind up dating again in a year or two anyway) wants to try shooting out, it's just not really her thing. And she gives me all kinds of **** about blowing all of my money on guns (FN 49? :D) instead of actually saving and stuff.

CAS700850
May 4, 2006, 02:22 PM
My wife and I met in law school, where it was well known in the student body that I was one of that small group of people who (GASP!) owned guns. Then again, since I was atill in the reserves, I went to class in uniform (BDU's) on more than one occassion, and one more than one occassion, had an empty drop holster on my thigh when I walked into class. Talk about getting people's attention. Anyways, she knew about the guns from the beginning. her only rule was that I secure them, for the safety of our children. She's gone shooting a few times, but has other hobbies that interest her. But, hey, it's not like I'm dying to do cross-stitching becuase it interests her.

Honesty up front can and will prevent pain later.

444
May 4, 2006, 02:57 PM
"Is gun-owning or at least gun-tolerant a requirement for when you're dating someone.
No. If I am just going out with them I dont' care. I am not going to change anything I do or think for them, so why should I care. If they do anything that annoys me, I just don't call them again.

.........or having at least a serious relationship (that may lead to marriage) with them?
That is a different story. Then the answer is yes and there would be no exceptions. I don't care if it was the best looking woman in the world that also happened to be the richest woman in the world and was someone that I had more fun with than I had ever had with anyone else it wouldn't matter. If she was a hardcore lefty I wouldn't consider having a serious relationship with her. It is out of the question.

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