[FEATHERWEIGHT]

Sig P228 gone
Sig P225 gone
HK P7 gone
HK USP gone soon
Original 1911 gone ( external extractor )
Colt Python gone
10 mm gone
41 magnum gone
blued guns gone
Pump Shoguns on the edge?

I am old fashion or is plastic just starting to take over?

[lyricsdad]

makes sense, cheaper to produce, and just as durable/reliable.. but what concerns me is that the price remains the same instead of getting cheaper..unless your purchasing a used glock.

[shaggycat]

I don't think the pump shotgun is going anywhere anytime soon. I don't know what you are basing that on, but the pump shotgun is alive and well. For home defense and LE, many swear by it and would never pick up anything besides their Mossy 500 or Remington 870. Great reliability and less expensive than comparable semi-autos, they aren't on the way out.

As for the statement that original 1911's are gone because of the addition of external extractors, that just isn't true either. Kimber has gone back to internal extractors after all the complaints about reliability. S&W still uses it, but that is one out of a bazillion makers of the 1911. Yes, tons of custom options are available, but just as available is the option to get a plain jane 1911 that is fairly close to the old-school version.

I also don't see how these trends would lead to the idea that plastic is taking over? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but you haven't made a case either way. You mentioned the USP being discontinued, that is a polymer gun. Also, how does your so called demise of pump shotguns at all indicate the conquest of plastic guns? And the trend of stainless steel, hard-chrome, etc as options to blued guns doesn't at all indicate that plastic is taking over. It is just new technology entering the industry.

With time, everything changes. If everyone refused ot allow new technology into the firearms industry, we would all still be using muzzleloaders with powder horns! How concealable and tactical would a powder horn be? :neener:

[osteodoc08]

I agree as a generality. There are a few notable exceptions:

Original 1911-What about the Springer GI and Mil Spec?

10mm-There are still a few (Kimber and EAA) still producing new guns

41Mag-My favorite revolver cartridge, still produced by Taurus, but I'd really like to see Ruger make one.

Blued guns-Some S&W revolvers, but quality and depth is lacking in general unless you go custom

Pumps-Moss 500 and Rem 870 will be around for a long, long time, but others seem to be disapearing in favor of semi-autos.

I completely agree with you as a whole, with the few (minor) exceptions. Many of the "quality craftsmanship" is being replaced by low cost/more profit methods. This is a shame. Unless you spend money on a semi or full custom, the craftsmanship has defintely decreased over the years. I am talking strictly about craftsmanship. Nothing like a slick lever action that is 50+ years old to get my blood pumping:) .

[Clipper]

Manufacturers quit making things there is no longer a viable market for. So maybe the market won't support 5 companies each making their version of 1 gun, but if 4 end production, perhaps that one left can make it work. Personally, I'm delighted with most of it. For years I've been waiting to see gun makers get away from the big boat anchors they were selling and start to offer real compact, powerful and affordable handguns. My Kel-Tec .380 and Taurus PT-145 are the answer to my prayers, but I'm still waiting for someone to fall off the hi-cap bandwagon long enough to make a 5+1 pocket-size .45GAP pistol...

[shamus]

What has happened to all of the great weapons?

they're being made, but not in America.

[ugaarguy]

The 10mm is still alive - Glock, Kimber, EAA, and Dan Wesson still make them.

I like blued steel and hardwood grips as well, but there are some very well made, very tough new guns out there - they just arent as pretty.

[jerkface11]

When did 10mm start being gone? Glock Kimber EAA Dan Wesson and Taurus all make one and if the rumors are true CZ is going to start making the CZ 97 in 10mm. I'd say that 10mm is still here. Same for the pump shotguns. As for blued guns as long as you don't demand a gun made in this country you can get them.

[Ala Dan]

My West German SIG P228 is in my safe~!:D

[FEATHERWEIGHT]

I am not anti plastic, but when the "1911 of the Next Century is an OD green HK with a rail" things have evolved and changed dramatically with introduction of the Glock 17 in the 80's. I miss the K-22 masterpiece, a deep blued Colt Commander series 70, a Colt Python or Tropper. Also nickel finished autos and revolvers. 10mm S&Ws gone, 10mm revolvers gone, P220 NO 10MM, HK NO 10mm. Auto shotguns have become the rage. Winchester model 10 gone. Does Beretta make a Pump? 1911s worth anything made the way used to be are $400 or $3000. I will give you guys the SW1911 is a welcome addition. I think I would just be happy to have a nice blued Sig with wood grips. When did every new firearm have to be some tactical piece and not a sporting piece.

[Dienekes]

They are in my safe when they are not with me. :neener: