PETA and gun control


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Yohan
January 3, 2003, 10:07 PM
What is PETA's view on gun control? I'm guessing they don't like guns since they're used to KILL INNOCENT ANIMALS!!

With current topics floating around like "Would you eat your animal" and "Would you shoot your dog", I would like to see a PETA member join us. :evil:

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Redlg155
January 3, 2003, 10:10 PM
I don't know. The PETA group that I associate with is "People Eating Tasty Animals".

And Yep, we are packin heat.

Good SHooting
RED

2dogs
January 3, 2003, 10:15 PM
I may be wrong but I believe that PETA supports anyone/ any group who supports them, and that would be left wing wackos.

PATH
January 4, 2003, 12:28 AM
Well, they did put out the "got beer" ads. Other than that they are nutso!:neener:

Sactown
January 4, 2003, 02:35 AM
A wise man once said, "Mmmmmm......Ham..." Doh!! now I want some ham with a side of chicken and a slice of veal!!

deej
January 4, 2003, 03:05 AM
It's interesting, just yesterday I was listening to a song by Goldfinger - a ska band I normally enjoy - called "<naughty word> Ted Nugent", which derides the Nuge for his hunting advocacy ("killing squirrels" as the song goes, among other things) as well as taking a shot at the NRA. It also bashes Jennifer Lopez because she "eats cows". Quite a song.

The lead singer of Goldfinger is, apparently, a notorious PETA shill and marketing drone. Anyway, I was a little disappointed, but it's a free country (PETA's efforts to the contrary notwithstanding.)

DJ

Pawcatch
January 4, 2003, 06:28 AM
I really don't think it would make them any better if they were pro gun.E.D. Hill and Bo Derrick are pro gun and I have no use for them since they both have made anti-fur comments.

Navy joe
January 4, 2003, 10:47 AM
Here in Norfolk, PETA world HQ, we see a lot of them. Being generally blissninny liberals of course they don't like guns. If you have a gun you are 43 times more likely to shoot something and eat it. This is a "gateway" crime that often leads to an evil known as dessert, often milk and cookies!


Despite this they were not detered about wandering the local Wildlife management area a few years back during hunting season shooting .22s in the air to keep the game spooked. Another favorite is slashing tires in the parking lot. This year saw talcum powder strewn all through the woods to sppok the deer up with a human scent. Course it rained the same night so, oopsie.

Remember kiddies, we abhor violence unless it furthers our cause.

Okiecruffler
January 4, 2003, 11:30 AM
For several years, The Wife and I were probably the only people alive with memberships both in PETA and the NRA. Man, was our mailman confused. We are some of those annoying vegetarian people who believe it is wrong to abuse animals, and our definition of abuse includes things such as poultry farms, stockyards and the like. But we also have the annoying habit of not pushing our beliefs on other people. To do so implies that I am wiser than you, and that lacks style. That being said, we both dropped our memberships with PETA about 6 years ago when it became apparent that they were much more concerned with being annoying than with helping the plight of animals. I found it strange that the little wienners who threw paint on runway models and little old ladies were never found doing the same to leather jackets up around Sturgis or snakeskin boots at a Texas chili cookoff.
However, while most members are liberal to the extreme and probably have ties to various Grabber groups, PETA has never had an official stand on gun control. As far as I'm concerned, they don't need that for me to find them offensive.

jmbg29
January 4, 2003, 04:10 PM
What is PETA's view on gun control?PETA people are Eloi.

They won't be happy until all of us are Eloi.

They will have achieved nirvana when all humans become Eloi, and are prey for the Morlocks.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33876&highlight=morlocks+and+eloi

blades67
January 4, 2003, 04:35 PM
What he said.

PATH
January 4, 2003, 06:48 PM
I am more like a morlock. I like the Eloi women though!:D

Seriously though, the PETA people are off their rockers. You will never see one throwing paint on a bikers leather jacket because they know they will be beaten to a pulp. Which , in my opinion, they deserve. I would not be averse to finding one of these idiots attempting to slash my car tires. I would pound him till his mother would not recognize him.

Vegetarian: a Native American word denoting a piss poor hunter!

pogo2
January 4, 2003, 06:59 PM
You people are underestimating PETA. The organization fields a special operations unit called the "PETA Commandos" who are heavily armed, and rescue animals in distress. The picture and link below describe a recent rescue operation of this daring, noble group:

PETA Commandos save rabbit (http://www.theonion.com/onion3110/petacommandos.html)
http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3110/petacommandos.gif

justinh
January 4, 2003, 07:03 PM
I would pound him till his mother would not recognize him. I assume you thought it was amusing when that PETA guy was attacked by a grizzly. :) :p

PATH
January 4, 2003, 07:08 PM
Ever so amused! Bears don't just eat veggies! In nature it is the prey that eats veggies. The predator eats meat! So I am all for Elsie getting the bolt through the head down at the stun line. MMMMMM!!!! Good!!! Steaks!!!!! MMMMM!!!!!

The rabbit rescuers look like Mall Ninjas. :D

armabill
January 4, 2003, 08:09 PM
I hate to tell the PETA people but plants and vegetables have feelings too. We shouldn't decimate and kill these poor living things.

Save the animals and plants!! Extinction is not the answer. We should control our desire to ingest and feel compassion toward them.

JerryN
January 4, 2003, 11:23 PM
Peta and other fanatical New Agers are actually just the new form of bigot in our society. Hunting is simply not the going fad, and therefore is discriminated against by non-hunting PETA bigots. They might as well put on white hoods and burn crosses.

In light of their violent and fanatical bent, I heartily recommend that anyone with contact with these terrorist supporting criminals arm themselves and be ready to react to deadly force.

PETA is known to comtribute to very violent domestic and international terrorist forces such as The Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, both of which are under FBI scrutiny for terrorist activities, including arson and murder.

Don't kid yourselves, PETA is serious. They consider themselves to be a superior religious society and must accomplish their agenda to succeed. At all costs. They are nutty as a fruit cake, but they don't know it. That makes them dangerous.

4v50 Gary
January 4, 2003, 11:31 PM
Hey, is that Skunkabilly and twoblink with those PETA Kommandos? To think those two guys had stir fried wabbits without inviting us. Some friends they are.

MeekandMild
January 4, 2003, 11:59 PM
Har!

One of my neighbors is a PETAphile. She goes out and "rescues" cats, spays them then turns them loose in the park, the bird sanctuary et cetera where they can decimate the nesting bird population every spring.

She got a mouse infestation (like everybody else around here this warm fall) so after they started eating holes in everything in her house she finally set out some glue traps. Well she caught some mice.

What did she do with them?

She didn't want to HURT them so she buried them alive! :what:

Adam White
January 5, 2003, 12:19 AM
Interesting observations. I think I know what you mean. There is a definite open niche in our society for a real animal advocacy group - one who seeks to improve conditions in the meat industry, etc. I personally can understand why some people would be upset with some aspects of the meat industry, especially companies doing illegal stuff that can effect public health (though I personally view animals no different from plants in this regard).

Instead, PETA can't make up their mind what they want. They can't go off on meat eaters beacause of how animals are treated in the meat industry and at the same time attack hunters. In doing so you become hypocritical and lose a potential base. Many hunters prefer wild game for the same reason PETA is against the meat industry. Most hunters are really into the ethics thing - such as a clean kill, etc, - and do not want their prey to suffer needlessly. Many also feel wild meat is cleaner and safer to eat. PETA is too full of leftist nut jobs to focus on any one issue, though.

In addition, as MeekandMild demonstrated very well, PETA could use some people with actual knowledge of nature and wildlife management - and who have the true interest of animals at heart, as opposed to unstable nutjobs who think "Bambi" was a documentary.


Adam

Okiecruffler
January 5, 2003, 11:54 AM
Many of the PETA members I would talk with would talk about the horrors of hunting while juice from their hamburger ran down their chin. I stopped eating processed meat about a year and a half BEFORE I stopped hunting. Hunting is much more humane than meat farms. PETA could do good by working to limit unneeded animal testing on things like cleaners and cosmetics, but they shoot themselves in the foot by lumping needed medical research in with the same issue. And NO ONE wins support from the public by making an ass and nuisance of themselves.

bjba
January 5, 2003, 12:16 PM
Path you and me bro. Them Eloi women are finger lickin good,
oops guess that precludes my being a vegetarian.:evil:

wardmclark
January 5, 2003, 12:55 PM
I'll chime in here, since I'm the guy who - literally - wrote the book on these idiots.

To clear up a couple misconceptions:

- PeTA is not an environmental group. They've never done anything, never spent one penny to help protect or preserve any wild country or wildlife habitat. Never.

- PeTA is not a pet rescue group. They operate a "shelter" in Norfolk that has almost twice the euthenasia rate as the metro Norfolk shelters. With their budget, they could fund a no-kill shelter in every state. They don't fund any.

- PeTA is not a health advocacy group. They promote nitwittery like that put out by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine, which is three lies for the price of one - less than 5% of their members are physicians, they aren't a committee, as they're policy is dictated wholly by found and PeTA mouthpiece Neal Barnard, and the aren't advocating medicine, but vegan philosophy masquerading as science. PCRM is funded heavily by PeTA.

What PeTA is is a massive fund-raising and political advocacy group. Their goals are to outlaw hunting, outlaw the raising of animals for food, fur or leather, outlaw the use of animals in research or medicine, and to outlaw the keeping of animals as pets. (Yes, really.) They're extremely well-funded, and astute enough to enlist a legion of empty-headed Hollywood nitwits to make their cause appeal to those whose capacity for analytical thought is somewhat less than that of a stuffed artichoke. Sadly, these days that's a significant portion of the younger generation.

What PeTA poses to mainstream America is a threat every bit as great as Sarah Brady, Chuckie Schumer, and Hillary Klinton, and for much the same reason. They are fundamentally anti-freedom. Hunting, eating, guns, you name it.

MeekandMild
January 5, 2003, 10:35 PM
I thought this was a timely article about the PETAphiles' aganda: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/3/65808.shtml

BTW, wardmclark, animals don't have rights per se so the term "animal rights activist" is a semantic null. Call them PETAphiles instead. Other than that your book reviews sound good. :)

wardmclark
January 5, 2003, 10:55 PM
MeekandMild, I make that point, exactly, in the first section of the book. :D good call.

Gewehr98
January 5, 2003, 11:36 PM
They do this on a regular basis:

http://mauser98.com/cagedemo1.jpg

Now, if she could just give up the PETA politics and show me her tiger stripe outfit in private... ;)

PATH
January 6, 2003, 02:24 AM
Gewehr98,

I see that you like the Eloi women too!:cool: :D

jmbg29
January 6, 2003, 09:13 AM
:D :cool:

mjustice
January 6, 2003, 09:45 AM
They're just bullies with a cause.

I tolerated them when they would pass around petitions and peacefully protested against unnecessary animal testing. Once they graduated to tossing paint on old ladies and other disruptive behavior, I lost all respect I had for them. They're not much better than the ELF these days.

Why can't the ATF work for good instead of evil? They could do us all a favor and raid them in a search for shoulder-fired paint rockets. :)

MJ

BTR
January 9, 2003, 10:27 PM
I don't like PETA, but all their members are not anti-gun ownership:

http://www.peta.org/liv/c/conservative.html

H&K Fan
January 10, 2003, 03:45 AM
Mostly blissninnies in this neck of the woods. The real hard core are a hoot, one made a statement that he would rather his son die of a cancer than to have the cancer cured by the use of lab animals, a truly stupid statement to my way of thinking.

Strings
January 14, 2003, 04:23 PM
... that someone would comment on that "PETA Commandoes" thing. Oh, well... guess it's my job...

That peice appeared in The Onion... a satirical paper that's quite a hoot to read. However, it's relationship to reality is similar to Sarah Brady's...

As for PETA: remember them coming to the dog shows my parents go to, to try and release those "poor, mistreated animals". :banghead: :cuss:

Stetson_CO
January 14, 2003, 04:41 PM
We once held an informal ranch rodeo, to raise money for Candlelighters Childhood Cancer Foundation.

PeTA came, one of them crawled in the pen to ride the nice horses out of there....he got tossed over the fence and landed wrong, broke both arms(what a shame). If I can find the tiny article that the local rag wrote, I'll scan it and post it here.

Haven't seen them at a rodeo since......


c):{

NewShooter78
January 14, 2003, 05:09 PM
I thought at one point in time the feds were watching them for domestic terrorism reasons, this was years ago though. Supposedly they were in the same category as Green Peace and the like. Personally I really can't stand a lot of people who say they belong to PeTA, yet still own leather and the like. I've actually called a member on this before. Its truely pathetic. But I don't mind seeing the naked women that they have strut around every year dressed like animals. I guess they know how much most people really care for their organization, and have sunk to the level of tv to get more people interested, i.e. sex and violence.

Lord Grey Boots
January 14, 2003, 06:29 PM
I recall one female IPSC shooter and police trainer who was in downtown Boston, dressed in a long fur coat when a local PETA member spotted her. He pulled out a spray paint can and moved to spray her. She spotted him (condition yellow) and removed her coat and handed it to a friend of hers. Of course, that revealed the rest of her outfit, leather boots, tight jeans, a white turtle neck sweater, and a full size .45 in a shoulder holster.

He turned pale and fled, calling the police. The attending officer wasn't impressed with him....

spacemanspiff
January 14, 2003, 07:12 PM
not only do i enjoy eating tasty animals, my spiders do too. the larger ones enjoy baby mice, called 'pinkies', cause they are hairless and pink, and their eyes are still sealed shut. them little buggers squeal quite loudly when getting perforated with 1/2 inch fangs loaded with paralyzing venom. its kinda funny to watch the venom take effect. one side of their body will quit moving but the other is still trying to gain an escape.

learned the hard way that the emporer scorpions really like having one pinky each to themselves. they fight over them otherwise, and the poor widdle pinky gets all pinched and stretched as they have a 'tug-of-war' over their dinner.

Shmackey
January 14, 2003, 11:49 PM
I keep my PETA membership card in my wallet right next to my membership card for my shooting range. Let's see: No, I don't hunt; yes, I believe in the second amendment. No, I don't eat animals; yes, I believe there is a time and a place for violence. No, I don't wear leather; yes, I wear a gi and teach young girls how to break elbows.

Call it what you will. I think factory farming is an abomination and I think every woman should be capable--in terms of mindset and equipment--of shooting an attacker in the chest. Contradictory? I don't think so at all, but either way, I'm very comfortable with it.

OF
January 15, 2003, 12:02 AM
No, I don't huntAnd you are a member of an organization that would see that no one else ever does either. How is that pro-freedom again?

- Gabe

Shmackey
January 15, 2003, 12:23 AM
Dropping the "F" word as a kneejerk reaction doesn't make it more meaningful; it makes it a cliche, and I think you'd agree it shouldn't be.

Lots of perfectly good organizations are *against* things. Doesn't mean they're against freedom.

JerryN
January 15, 2003, 02:18 AM
Shmacky said:

"I keep my PETA membership card in my wallet right next to my membership card for my shooting range."

So you therefore contribute money to an organization that openly sponsors terrorist organizations such as the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front. Both groups have committed murder, arson and other crimes in the name of their "religion". Is that correct? Please disprove my statement. Provide evidence. Tell us that the FBI doesn't say that PETA sponsors terrorism. Please say that here, in public.

"Let's see:"

"No, I don't hunt;"

So you admit that you are not part of Gaia's natural plan for the Earth. Gaia, our Mother Earth, designed and implemented hunting, the predator/prey cycle. You openly admit that you are part of the problem - the distancing of humans from the natural way of things.

"No, I don't eat animals"

But since you are a member of PETA, therefore you adhere to the pseudo-religious belief that those of us who do follow the natural cycle of life and death are somehow inferior and you must STOP US. This, friend, is the New Bigotry. You and your urbanized kind are The New KKK. Good people will not permit you to be so discriminatory. Its against the law, after all.

"yes, I wear a gi and teach young girls how to break elbows."

And this relates to the topic in what way? I am a life long martial artist. I have studied nearly a dozen different martial arts in depth for several decades. I teach women's self defense. So what? Why did you include this gratuitous reference to Woman Power here? It makes no sense whatsoever, other than perhaps a feeble attempt at ingratiating yourself with the female population. They are smarter than you realize, I think.

"Call it what you will. I think factory farming is an abomination and I think every woman should be
capable--in terms of mindset and equipment--of shooting an attacker in the chest."

Help me here. Factory farming relates to women's self defense in what way? Mods, should this thread be moved to the Fantasy Thread?

"Contradictory? I don't think so at all, but either way, I'm very comfortable with it."

Ummm, no. Not contradictory. Perhaps drunken ranting...

What you fail to realize is that you Urbanized liberal types have promoted Tolerance for quite a long time now. Its become a mainstream legal topic. Hunting is my lifestyle and my belief. Your attempt to end my beliefs is bigotry, and therefore, is a violation of federal law. What you espouse is a "Hate Crime". You people invented it, now you have to live with it.

I heartily look forward to the day when I convince the ACLU that you are discriminating against my civil rights and they sue the pants off you.

Isn't it interesting that your signature seals your fate?

"The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next."

Generations to come will mock your downfall. New Agers never win. They look good until they get hungry. Then they come to us.

Okiecruffler
January 15, 2003, 02:57 AM
Jeez, got mean in here in a hurry. Warm enough that I had to dig out my old sig. Bring it on you Christian carnivores.:neener:

Navy joe
January 15, 2003, 03:51 AM
Shmackey, Okie, I don't care about vegetarians, half my family are Vegan Quakers. So, the Bhuddism don't bother either, got one in the family also.

Shmackey, What does bother me is when people like PETA try to tell me what to do with my life. And yes, that is anti-freedom. I don't tell my vegan family to eat meat, I just bring my own to family affairs. Of course they try to convince me to vote dem, eat more veggies, and not carry those nasty guns. Why the difference? PETA doesn't care a whit about animals at its higher levels, it cares about power. Some of the followers think it's about animals, but such double purpose is always an element of a political power movement. If Peta knew about animal care and compassion they would endorse responsible hunting to manage game. Instead they prefer to trap, traumatize, and relocate animals, introduce birth control into the food chain, etc. Your PETA membership is to me a sign that you would impose your will on my life if you had the chance. No thanks, you can keep your anti-freedom crap.

yorec
January 15, 2003, 07:38 AM
Here's a link to an interesting little petition that I hope one day actually gets off the ground...

Petition to revoke PeTA's tax exempt status (http://www.petitiononline.com/rvkptaex/petition.html)

PeTA is anti-freedom and hypocrasy at its finest. I also see them as an organization that is out to destroy my way of life and doesn't care one whit for the pain it may caue me or others like me. I ain't got any use for such folks. :fire:

Art Eatman
January 15, 2003, 10:14 AM
One thing for sure: Ingrid Newkirk came up with a pretty good shtick to ensure a comfortable living. I dunno if she really believes that "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy", but it surely sells among the immature of mind.

When a group calls for laws against eating meat, against owning pets and against owning/using farm animals, I find it rather difficult to believe that any member can honestly claim not to be against one's freedom to believe otherwise. One claiming to be in favor of individual freedom of thought and opinion cannot at the same time be a member of a group wishing to outlaw such, without being hypocritical.

None of which has anything to do with "food factories". Regardless of my own dislike of them, however, with a predominantly urban and mobile society I know of no other way for 300 million people to enjoy some equivalent of an Egg McMuffin.

:D, Art

JerryN
January 15, 2003, 10:46 AM
Okie, there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. I promise you that I will never attempt to legislate your lifestyle (and choice for dinner) out of existance.

Heck, some of my best friends are vegetarian. :cool:

None of my friends are members of the terrorist group, PETA. :fire:

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