I BOUGHT a Hi-Point


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444
April 24, 2003, 03:27 PM
For years now, I have been reading these threads about Hi-Points. Hi-Points are great, Hi-Points suck, Hi-Points are great but they are ugly, Hi-Points are ugly but they have a great warantee, Hi-Point handguns suck, but Hi-Point Cabines are great. The same stuff is said in all of them including the one guy (his name excapes me at the moment) that tells the story of burying one in the desert in every one of those threads.

So in the middle of the lastest Hi-Point threads, I picked up the phone, called my dealer and told him to get me one. I had to repeat myself three times before he believed I was serious, then I had to wait a couple minutes for him to stop laughing. But evenutally I picked out one in .45 ACP. He said it would be here Monday and would cost me somewhere around $150.

I want to see what this is all about myself. I am tired of reading wild speculation and bashing from people who have never had one, shot one, or seen one. I will not be a member of that group.

Let me answer one of the rote questions asked in everyone of these threads. Why buy a Hi-Point when you can buy a Makarov ? Well, I am not limited to one or the other. And, I already own three Makarovs along with Colts, Springfields, Glocks, Rugers, Smiths, Brownings, Walthers, and probably a few others. I probably own between 50 and 100 handguns; autoloaders, revolvers, blackpowder, single shots, mouse guns, mini-revolvers, single stack, double stack, Stainless, blue, tennifer, parkerized, foreign and domestic .................................. but I don't own a Hi-Point; YET.

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Nightcrawler
April 24, 2003, 03:30 PM
Now that's putting your money where your mouth is. Good on ya! Looking forward to a detailed range report. :)

P95Carry
April 24, 2003, 03:36 PM
You're just being fair and balanced 444 ..... I could well make a similar decision so as to ''outa interest'' fully evaluate said item. Let's hear how you get on later.

gudel
April 24, 2003, 04:30 PM
can you take some pics as well? i'd like to see it. some people like walther, but i think they're just hideously ugly.
but i have not seen much of this hi-point gun, nobody ever post pics, all they say it's ugly without illustration for credibility.

tomkatz
April 24, 2003, 04:47 PM
here it is, how can anyone say a glock looks worse than these......tom

http://www.mkssupply.com/handguns.asp

firestar
April 24, 2003, 04:49 PM
You got the the .45 Hi-Point?:scrutiny: Have you ever seen one in .45? They are huge! I think they about 3 1/2lbs.:D

I went over to the Hi-Point web site and they say it only weighs 32ozs.:confused: It also looks different than the .45 Hi-Point that I saw in the store. Am I just crazy or are there two different Hi-Point .45s? The one I saw had a MASSIVE slide but the one in the Hi-Point ad looks like a scaled up version of the .380.

firestar
April 24, 2003, 04:50 PM
Here is the link:
http://www.mkssupply.com/handgun_details.asp?Gun=45ACP

444
April 24, 2003, 04:52 PM
Actually the one that I ordered is shown here : http://www.mkssupply.com/handgun_details.asp?Gun=45ACP

I would have a hard time believing that anyone would not agree that it is ugly as a mud fence. :uhoh:

If I am conducting a show and tell where I am trying to impress my friends, this one will stay in the safe.

I don't know if there is more than one .45, but this one says that it has the NEW polymer frame.


One of the things that I am going to do with this is; In July I am taking the 250 handgun course at Gunsite. I am going to walk out the first morning with this beast in my holster and see if any of them start having chest pain.:evil:

COHIBA
April 24, 2003, 05:23 PM
hey, if it dosent shoot, youve got one heck of a blunt object.

Handy
April 24, 2003, 05:28 PM
So this is a $160 prank?

Blackhawk
April 24, 2003, 05:38 PM
Good on 'ya, 444! :D

444
April 24, 2003, 05:38 PM
Well sort of. I certainly don't need another handgun in .45 ACP, and if I did that Springfield Micro-whatever looks interesting. But I wouldn't call it a prank. I honestly want to know what one is like. I want to see if it is reliable. I want to see what kind of accuracy you can get out of one. I want to see if it is possible to buy a large bore, centerfire, autoloading handgun for less than $200 and have something that is reliable and at least exhibits decent accuracy. If it lives up to those requirements, that is terrific. Not everyone can afford the latest thing out from Les Baer, but they can still provide protection for themselves and have a lot of fun. It it turns out to be a piece of junk, then the joke is on me. Honestly, no matter how good it might be, I can't see myself shooting it a whole lot after the initally testing stage. At that point it will be kind of a prank. I have a pretty decent gun collection up to and including some NFA stuff. I have owned and bought guns since childhood. There is really no one gun that I am dying to own right now that I don't already have, however there are a whole lot of them that interest me for one reason or another and this is one of them. Kind of a novelty.

Handy
April 24, 2003, 05:54 PM
I guess I've always assumed that these things work okay. There's little reason they shouldn't. The gun is built on the same principles as most basic submachineguns. The fixed barrel will even make it accurate.

All of this was achieved by making a nine round .45 the size and weight of a .44. But handguns are supposed to be as portable as possible. That's what you give up with one of these things, along with a fair bit of longevity.


Hey, the Brits built the all steel Sten for $12. I'm just not sure if the Hi-Point is a good value when you consider about the same level of design and execution using even cheaper materials.

444
April 24, 2003, 05:57 PM
I bought a Sten gun also. They made them for $12 (or whatever) and I paid $2250 sixty years later (plus the $200 tax stamp). I will be ahead of the curve with the Hi-Point. When the significant collector interest starts, I will already have one.:D

I just checked the S&W website and it appears that the Hi-Point .45 is significantly lighter than a Model 29. The Hi-Point weighs 32 ounces and a Model 29 weighs anywhere from 41.5 ounces up to 54.5 ounces depending on the variation. And a Colt 1911A1 weighs 38 ounces according to the Colt website.

And the Hi-Point comes with a trigger lock at no additional charge.:what:

gbelleh
April 24, 2003, 06:21 PM
Nice going 444,
I plan to get one of these someday too, just for fun. Can't wait to hear your report!

The Plainsman
April 24, 2003, 06:32 PM
I can't speak for the handguns, but I'm the "proud" owner of the 9mm carbine. I'm like you - curiosity got the better of me and I picked one up a local gun show.

As you say, they sho' is ugly, BUT they's fun to shoot. Heck, I've probably already gotten my money's worth out of this gun, but it's still bangin' away. I put their laser sight on it and it's pretty impressive regardless of the fact that it won't stay on point-of-aim. The red dot is "scary".

When I'm tired of shooting all the other guns, I pull this "orphan ugly duckling" out of the gun cabinet and put a couple of boxes through it just for grins. :D

Enjoy! ;)

chevrofreak
April 24, 2003, 06:49 PM
i'm seeing all kinds of high end holsters pop up for these things

$50 for a holster for a $100 gun :what:

444
April 24, 2003, 06:50 PM
Really ?
What holsters are available ?

chevrofreak
April 24, 2003, 07:00 PM
i'm bored as hell right now, so i'll go to the gun store and take a look ;)

444
April 24, 2003, 07:03 PM
I have to relate a story that is almost impossible for me to believe to this day.
I was hanging out at the local gun shop (now there is a surprise) and a guy walked in to pick up his new Hi-Point. It was one of those 9mms with the comp. He handed over two S&W revolvers one of which was a 686 (I don't recall what the other one was), filled out the paperwork and left.
I said, Terry, what was that all about ? He said that this guy had come in about a month ago and bought the same identical Hi-Point and he was so thrilled with it that he wanted another one and traded these two Smith revolvers for a second one. After taking a couple minutes to compose myself I told Terry that he should be ashamed of himself for making that guy give him those two fine revolvers for a Hi-Point. He said, NO, I didn't suggest any such thing, it was his idea; the customer made the offer including some cash as a kicker. Terry was honest enough to tell him the cash wasn't nessessary, but was not too honest to take the two revolvers.
:confused: incredible, but true, I saw it with my own two eyes and was dead sober at the time.

Handy
April 24, 2003, 07:09 PM
Can you imagine, that idiot is allowed to vote?

444
April 24, 2003, 07:19 PM
Pull the plug, he is brain dead.

COHIBA
April 24, 2003, 07:32 PM
fobus makes holsters for the 9 and 40 highpoint. nothing for the 45.

chevrofreak
April 24, 2003, 07:37 PM
COHIBA, the 40 and 45 are the same size


the holster was made by Vega Holsters, and is made of Italian leather. the price was $34.95

http://www.vega-holsters.com/home.asp

i also looked at the guns they have.

.380ACP Hi Point, $69.95

9mm COmpact Hi Point, $89.95

.40S&W Hi Point, $129.95

.45ACP Hi Point, $129.95


I think i'll be picking up a compact 9mm as a "toss it in the glove box and forget about it" gun

Bowlcut
April 24, 2003, 07:41 PM
At this months gun show there was a dealer that had the 9, 40, and 45 laying in their cases. I picked up the 9 and fondeled it a bit. To my coworkers dismay i layed it back down. They were just going crazy that I wouldnt buy the 9....for 150 total walk out the door price. So say around 120 before taxes and paperwork.... Kinda wish I would have picked it up anyway. As i want something cheap to shoot 9mm with. Still thinking about picking one up for a throw away pistol for the car

hksw
April 24, 2003, 08:15 PM
YAY. Another DIY gun tester willing to take the HiPoint plunge.

cool45auto
April 24, 2003, 09:40 PM
I had bad experiences with a 9mm but a friend's 380 shot good. I haven't tried a 45 so I can't wait to hear your report.

P95Carry
April 24, 2003, 10:24 PM
So some guy trades in two Smiths ... one of which was a 686 ... and walks out with a Hi-Point??? Oh my ..... is the world goin mad!!

I'd want two Hi-Points for a 686!!

Nick96
April 24, 2003, 10:42 PM
444,

50 to 100 handguns!!!! Dang, I don't know that I've ever owned 50 to 100 of anything of substance at the same time. What's it like trying to decide what to carry to the range on any given day?

I can count all the firearms I own on my fingers and toes - and sometimes I feel the guilt of "conspicuous consumption". I need to re-think all of this. Lifes too short. I need to treat myself to more toys.

stretcharmstrong
April 25, 2003, 12:01 AM
I would love to see a "Stephen A. Camp" style range report on it. It would be kinda like a Road & Track review of a chevette. Don't really expect a whole lot but a surprise here and there would be nice one way or the other.

444
April 25, 2003, 12:17 AM
I will do my best, but I am not promising much. Function and accuracy. I will make an attempt to try some different factory ammos and some self defense loads if I can find them. I haven't shot a factory loaded .45 ACP round in 15 years. As I mentioned, my dealer said the gun would be in on Monday. I will be at the Frontsight practial rifle course on Monday. Tuesday I have to go back to the salt mines. So, I may get it on Wednesday. I might get around to shooting it on Friday. So we are looking at least a week. I know you guys are holding your breath in anticipation. This will give you time to scour the neighborhood for empty Coke bottles to turn in for the money to buy one. Wait, they don't do that anymore, maybe get a paper route.

jem375
April 25, 2003, 12:26 AM
SO????

444
April 25, 2003, 12:27 AM
Sew buttons.

hansolo
April 25, 2003, 01:45 AM
Regarding the fellow who traded two S&W's, including a 686 PLUS cash for a Hi-Point? By any chance, was it Peter Arnett?:rolleyes:

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