A whole generation of kids.....


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ball3006
May 3, 2006, 11:11 AM
won't be able to own a gun because their parents are unable to raise them to function in a civilized society. http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/05/03/antipsychotic.drugs.ap/index.html And, I have to admit, the parents are, sadly, from my generation. You don't know how many of my classmates in school were saying, "when I have kids, they are going to get anything they want and never suffer the punishments I received"..........it shows.....But then again, a certain number of people will end up in the looney farm or prision anyway, no matter what their parents do. chris3

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JohnBT
May 3, 2006, 11:54 AM
Why won't they be able to own guns? Taking meds doesn't disqualify anyone. Neither does having a diagnosis.

John

MCgunner
May 3, 2006, 12:02 PM
Well, I blame my generation (boomers) for sending society to the toilet. You know, "if it feels good, do it". It was the hippy dippy antiwar protest era, though I had nothing to do with it. I was a little late to be a part and drew a high draft number so I didn't take part in the war. I just went to college, a rather conservative school with lots of tradition and a military contengent (Texas A&M) and minded my own business. I never saw a "war protest", though I did see drug use, marijuana, nothing more, and I drank a lot. :D

Raising my daughter, she watched WAY too much TV. She wasn't a bad girl, but I think way too spoiled due to her mother's doting and doing everything for her. All in all, though, she came out okay compared to some of the little losers I see around. She's in her senior year at UH Victoria with a 3.something GPA majoring in English, minor in history, and planning to teach. That's not the mark of a loser, I reckon. She watches WAY too much MTV for my taste, though.:rolleyes:

I think my generation started the downfall, but it was later generations that perfected it, the live off uncle Sam and spend your food stamps on crack life style, ya know? I get rather irritated at TV that can't tell a sit com joke that doesn't involve sex and the more deviate the better. What ever happened to GOOD TV, anyway. I remember watching "Combat", "Star Trek", "Gunsmoke", and my favorite motorcycle show, "Then Came Bronson". Nothin' on anymore but stupid sit coms. Thank goodness for cable. It's only a matter of time till what we used to call XXX rated will be on prime time TV shows.

Gordon Fink
May 3, 2006, 12:07 PM
Why won’t they be able to own guns? Taking meds doesn’t disqualify anyone. Neither does having a diagnosis.

Yet …

~G. Fink

Molon Labe
May 3, 2006, 12:53 PM
Well, I blame my generation (boomers) for sending society to the toilet. You know, "if it feels good, do it". It was the hippy dippy antiwar protest era, though I had nothing to do with it.

Perhaps. But IMO the first generation to "drop the ball" was the previous generation (folks who are now in their 80s). For whatever reason, many of them abandoned the idea of individual liberty and responsibility after WW II, and enthusiastically embraced the "safety net" promised by Big Government.

sumpnz
May 3, 2006, 01:01 PM
Perhaps. But IMO the first generation to "drop the ball" was the previous generation (folks who are now in their 80s). For whatever reason, many of them abandoned the idea of individual liberty and responsibility after WW II, and embraced the "safety net" promised by Big Government.What makes you think they held those ideas in the first place? Think FDR and the New Deal. That was before WWII, and it would have been their parents that voted that bunch into office.

ajax
May 3, 2006, 01:05 PM
I have to say every generation could blame the one before for something ,but when it comes right down to it we all hold some responsibility for the decline.

RNB65
May 3, 2006, 01:13 PM
I don't think so. Just typical news media overreaction. The story begins with a frightening statement: "The number of children taking antipsychotic medicines soared 73 percent in the four years ending in 2005, far outpacing the increase in adults..." But down at the bottom we learn that the number "soared" to 6.6 per 1000 children. Not exactly an epidemic.

I'm not generally a media basher, but they do love to blow things out of all reasonable proportion.

White Horseradish
May 3, 2006, 01:52 PM
IIRC, the stela with the laws of Hammurabi contains some lamentations on the morals of youth of the day...

JohnBT
May 3, 2006, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by JohnBT
Why won’t they be able to own guns? Taking meds doesn’t disqualify anyone. Neither does having a diagnosis.


Yet …

~G. Fink
____________________

Yeah, and the sun ain't burned down to a cinder either. Yet...
Life's too short to worry about every little thing that the future might hold.

John

torpid
May 3, 2006, 03:08 PM
IIRC, the stela with the laws of Hammurabi contains some lamentations on the morals of youth of the day...

It was the fault of video games.

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bumm
May 3, 2006, 03:16 PM
>IIRC, the stela with the laws of Hammurabi
> contains some lamentations on the morals of youth
> of the day...

Good point WhiteHorseradish. Every generation makes it's mistakes, and about all we can do is do our best and keep on plugging. Actually, most of history is a series of mistakes and over reactions. Marty

Semper Fidelis
May 4, 2006, 12:48 AM
My folks were in the generation sandwiched between Korea & 'Nam - too young for one, too old for the other. And their parents came of age in the Depression. Which means that I grew up on a military base, feeling poor and wearing thrift shop/handmade clothes, eating home-cooked meals, riding a second-hand bike, and sharing a room with my siblings - while we were surrounded by the spawn of parents who were their best friends, gave them free reign and let them do/be/wear anything they wanted to do as long as it let them feel good about themselves. I remember being jealous that their parents stayed out of their business. Meanwhile, I had a father who doled out curfews, grounded us for poor grades or not pulling our weight, and assigned rotating chores - while our mom dogged us about courtesy, manners, dress, ad nauseum. Nothing was negotiable, they were the boss. They also got a lot of grief from their friends for their strict discipline, which was deemed "backward" and "old-fashioned" for the late 60s.

So I grew up thinking how harsh, grossly unjust and uncool they were, that they were cramping my style and individuality; I thought that way until about the time my friends started getting arrested, dropping out of school, doing drugs, getting drunked, stoned AND high all the time - then THEIR freaked-out parents began lamenting to my parents, remarking how well adjusted we were and how proud they must be - "How DID you do it?" I am grateful now for the "hard knocks," self-reliance and resilience they instilled in us. In rearing my own kids, I'm still facing the same fight (yeah, my mom's "curse" - I got the kid that I was!), getting a lot of crap from my peers for limiting the amount of TV my kids watch, not buying them all the coolest toys and VGs, or letting my sons & daughters dress like slackers or prostitutes. (No, instead, I buy my kids books and board games, and expect we sit down for dinner as a family every night at 1830 hours.) Ironically, my "I am going to give my kids everything my parents didn't give me" peers pretty much have their kids on drugs and elaborate "program" schedules to "help facilitate their success" and "enable their higher self esteem.":barf:

It ain't easy being "backward" and "old-fashioned," but it sure feels GOOD. :) And I firmly believe that, like me with my parents, my kids will thank me some day for not taking the easy way out.

ReadyontheRight
May 4, 2006, 01:18 AM
IIRC, the stela with the laws of Hammurabi contains some lamentations on the morals of youth of the day...

WH - My fellow MN native nailed it.

Kids Today :rolleyes: The lamentation is as old as procreation.

I just have to look at what the "kids today" are doing as volunteer military in Iraq, the "kids today" that are actually driving Conservative movements on college campuses and the "kids today" that post here on THR to realize that this Free Speech/Liberty/Freedom thing actually does work. As much as the Baby Boomers screwed it up...their progeny are going to fix it.

It just never makes the News at 10 or the cable media. "Oops, we were wrong" doesn't play to the Baby Boomers, who ARE the American consumer. Open your eyes and go out and talk to these kids. They are pretty sharp. They are also hungry for an American culture that we all have abandoned.

mordechaianiliewicz
May 4, 2006, 02:02 AM
This is about the pharmaceutical industry telling us we have to have a pill to "fix" a problem. I remember going to the Doctor and being put on a high blood pressure medicine bc for the last two visits my bp was high. In fact finding, the doctors were told by me that I #1 eat McDonald's everyday #2 never exercise #3 Smoke two packs a day #4 Sit down either in school, or on the job all day long.

Did they tell me to reevaluate my lifestyle, make healthier choices? Why no, they gave me a magic pill to take to cure my ailments. A magic pill which I would have paid $10 for (and my insurance co would have picked up the other $60 per month) per month, and I would have never been able to quit taking.

Instead, I started working out, got off the fast food, and quit smoking (mostly). Since then, I haven't had the problem. This is about huge profits, regardless of whether people will be better or not.

Low-Sci
May 4, 2006, 03:08 AM
I think mordechai is right on this one. Its pharmeceutical companies trying to make money. And succeeding, I might add.

But I think this is much less about youth culture than it is about parenting culture. I think you have parents like some of you had, that teach discipline and self-reliance and family values who do like they've always done and their kids usually come out very well-adjusted. Then there are other parents that swore when they were kids that their kid would have whatever they want and wouldn't be subject to punishments they felt were unfair. Well guess what.

That second group of parents is also doing like its always done, and their kids are STILL unhappy and poorly adjusted. And now a pill shows up that says it can clear all that up for the low low price of your kid never learning anything? Sold!

That said, kids with parents like that are, to my knowledge, pretty few and far between. Out of all my friends I only have one whose parents were of this second, freeloading class. She hates them all to hell now that she's on her own too, and she promises she won't make the same mistakes. Sounds like a good start to me.

spartacus2002
May 4, 2006, 08:25 AM
I spent a weekend with a bunch of Cub Scouts. Shocking how many parents are from the "Stop, or I'll Yell Stop Again" school of parenting.

My boy knows that I'm there to teach him how to be a man, and he can learn by listening with his ears or listening with his backside.

RealGun
May 4, 2006, 08:43 AM
A whole generation of kids.....
won't be able to own a gun because their parents are unable to raise them to function in a civilized society.

I read the article and would take issue with your premise here. It won't be a "whole generation", the problem when properly diagnosed is not merely psychological, psychological problems are not always the fault of parents, how do we know that the drugs are improperly prescribed, ...this is just nonsense...a combination of ignorance, bigotry, and I'm-better-than.

It should not be surprising that a "new class" of drugs would see a rise in use, starting from zero. That article is a waste of space. There is no data showing that the rate of diagnosis of such problems has increased.

I do think there are problems created by modern American culture, but those are psychological, not psychotic. We have all read about high numbers of people on antidepressants, but that is for a different kind of condition and would not and should not disqualify one from owning firearms. One who has been treated for depression would not and certainly should not answer an application question that he has been mentally ill. I believe the question addresses psychosis, and you have correctly interpreted that. However, the concern about a generational effect is in regard to depression. If it were psychosis, that would be a genetic problem. What you may actually find is that schizophrenia occurs with greater frequency in certain races and indeed among immigrants. I recall mention of the Chinese, but don't recall the source.

If you want to use the article as a basis for launching into a rant about modern parenting and children's environments, fine...I'm with you. But let's not make the premise an invalid judgment about medication and reasons for prescribing it. We do not have a generation of psychotics, but if such drugs were over prescribed, not really for us to judge, many users would have a difficult time arguing that they were not or had not been mentally ill. Perhaps these drugs need warning labels...THIS DRUG MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR RIGHTS, EMPLOYMENT, AND INSURANCE COVERAGE. The diagnosis is a curse, so there should be some appeal possible.

Because of these drugs and diagnoses, there will probably be some new case law about what constitutes mental illness. I don't actually know what the current legal definition is. All I know is that I have been on depression medication (different type of medication) in the past and rightfully have a CCW license. I think I would have a problem with RKBA if I had been treated for schizophrenia or related conditions for which the drugs in question are intended to be prescribed.

xd9fan
May 4, 2006, 10:51 AM
spartacus2002 My grandfather alway said a "hot hand makes a cool head"

The greatest Generation fail to teach their kids "why we fight/fought"

The boomers who used to be anti Govt in college are now the most socially comformed group ever. AND they fully embrace the power and force of the Fed Govt!!! (to push their social equality). It will take decades to reverse the "me" generations "spend now pay later" attitude.


AARP, if you love your kids and grandkids, growup, and give them the FREEDOM to get off the titantic called Social Security. We X'ers dont believe you!!

Maxwell
May 4, 2006, 11:28 AM
Taking meds doesn't disqualify anyone.

You can fit a ban on most of america by using the exceuse of a person having "mental issues". So far anyone who seeks counceling or has taken any drug already risks their rights. Its a small step to make.
Many of the crimes which can bring the government to block your 2nd amendment rights have little to do with violence.

Why would you have to be a screaming maniac when simply taking some pills can be all the exceuse they need?

SteveS
May 4, 2006, 12:46 PM
It should not be surprising that a "new class" of drugs would see a rise in use, starting from zero. That article is a waste of space. There is no data showing that the rate of diagnosis of such problems has increased.


I have worked in the mental health field for the last 12+ years and would have to agree with this poster. While I do think that some children are misdiagnosed, I would also wonder if some increase is due to a better understanding of certain problems.

My dad went to a rural elem. school in the 40's. I asked him if he remembers kids that were "hyper" and couldn't pay attention. He said that there were some and most of them eventually dropped out of school or were kicked out.

AndyC
May 4, 2006, 01:57 PM
My boy knows that I'm there to teach him how to be a man, and he can learn by listening with his ears or listening with his backside.
+1,000 :D

Lupinus
May 4, 2006, 02:04 PM
goes to the magic pill way of thinking. You don't need a pill to cure every little thing but we as a society have become extremly lazy.

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