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zeke1312
May 3, 2006, 05:11 PM
What is your position on RTC/CCW? Nebraska has recently passed a CCW bill. The city of Lincoln wants to prohibit. The police chief is against, citing several reasons. One includes guns may fall out of holsters! No kidding. Just wanted to know if any police out there, what is your and fellow workers think about CCW.

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Archie
May 3, 2006, 05:29 PM
I'm a Federal lawman type. However, I know a few local and state types as well.

My general feeling is most cops (police officers, deputy sheriffs, state troopers or equivilent and federal agent types) are either pro-gun or more or less neutral. Most will agree they don't want criminals having guns; and most admit they really aren't too concerned about regular folks owning guns.

However, 'management' is a different animal. All the serious anti-gun types I've seen, met or heard have been either Chiefs, Sheriffs or other upper managment sorts; or those who are aspiring to those positions. To become a 'manager' is a quasi-political process; to become upper managment is purely political.

Take a look at the big cities in the US. Big cities are largely liberal in political tone. If the mayor and city council are liberal, (and therefore anti-gun) what are the chances they are going to hire/appoint a Chief of Police who has a contrary opinion?

Yes, there are a few exceptions. Hallelujah! Sadly, they are exceptions.

TexasRifleman
May 3, 2006, 05:33 PM
One includes guns may fall out of holsters!

Well it sounds like he has some really strong arguments :rolleyes:

In Texas we had a bit of that to begin with too, but the crime statistics simply have not backed any of that paranoia up. There have been several upper LEO types publicly change their tune in response to the drop in crime.

Hang in there, when they see that it gets better they can't do anything but shut up and smile for the camera.

candr44
May 3, 2006, 07:09 PM
I'm not a cop but I use to work for a police department as a crew member on a police boat. All the cops I talked to about guns were very pro-gun. If I asked them about gun control, I was sure to get an argument against it.

One cop in particular would point out how people needed guns to protect themselves in the Los Angeles riots after the cops who stopped Rodney King were found not guilty. Since the police chief ordered the police to retreat in that riot, I would have to agree.

I would have to agree about the politics. The lieutenant I worked for was always playing politics and his greatest concern was his next promotion.

nhhillbilly
May 3, 2006, 09:04 PM
The 2nd admendment is live and well in NH. Pistol license for CCW is only $10.00 for 4 years. Shall issue and can carry anywhere except for court house and federal buildings. ONe of the lowest crime rates in the nation. I have been a police officer over 16 years. Just train hard.

RustyShackelford
May 3, 2006, 09:14 PM
I feel that citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms or weapons as long as they meet basic standards and obey all local/state/fedral laws. If license/permit holders get formal training, have no medical/legal/moral restictions from carrying or owning handguns then a CCW should be allowed too. Many people with little or no training think they can carry a concealed pistol and then everything will be A-ok. That's not how it works. A firearms owner needs to learn the local laws/train with the weapon(s)/keep the weapon clean at all times. A license and/or weapon permit is the start of a long process.

See www.packing.org and www.nra.org for more details.

RS :cool:

History Prof
May 3, 2006, 09:27 PM
I'm not a LEO, but I have a lot of exposure:
1) I was a student employee at the UPD where I received my BA/MA.
2) Where I now teach has a police academy - we're a small college, so it is 3 office doors down from me. We have one full time professor who is a former full time LEO and now reserves, and all the rest are part time instructors who are full time LEOs.
3) Two of my wife's siblings are LEOs.

In all the LEOs I have known over the years, I have NEVER met a police officer that opposed citizens owning firearms. Obviously, that doesn't mean they aren't there, but as others have pointed out, you usually find them in political positions. My sister-in-law has been denied promotion to Lt., and transferred to a station she hates because she is openly supporting the Republican challenger to the weenie liberal sheriff for whom she works. I hope the voters in her county see the light....

zeke1312
May 3, 2006, 09:48 PM
the people of Lincoln, NE could read comments posted here. They would read another point of view regarding the real world of CCW. Instead they are fed "the sky is falling" mentality of the chief of police and the mayor. Although a republican state, Lincoln is the SF of the midwest and many have limited exposure to handguns or long guns. I've written 2 letters to the editor, one of which has been printed. At this point in time all the letters to the local newspaper, and there are several, are pro CCW. My hope is other Nebraskans read this post and write a letter to their newspaper or get involved in any manner in support of CCW.:fire:

Jeff White
May 3, 2006, 09:52 PM
I've only ever met one who's not for CCW. The rank and file officers almost always support it.

Unfortunately somewhere in the process of being promoted from SGT to LT many get a disease that somehow causes their commonsense to begin to deteriorate. The longer they spend away from the real world the worse it gets.

Jeff

LeonCarr
May 4, 2006, 03:25 AM
I like having law abiding citizens with CHLs around. In some of your smaller jurisdictions they may be your backup someday when you really really need them.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Preacherman
May 4, 2006, 03:56 AM
Here in Louisiana (with the possible exception of New Orleans . . . :rolleyes: ), the cops are virtually 100% in favor of private ownership of firearms. They actually rely on it in more rural areas, and constantly point out to folks that while they'll respond to a 911 call as fast as they can, it may still take them ten, twenty, even thirty minutes to get to a remote area. During that time, a BG can do a lot of damage . . . so they advise you to get a gun and learn how to use it!

Of course, this can lead to some fairly unique policing problems. :D

I recall an incident in the late '90's, where three big-city gang-bangers decided to come to the smaller town where I was working and hold up the local pharmacy. They walked in with handguns and hoods, and demanded all the "good stuff" - Oxycontin, Vicodin, etc. Unfortunately for them, one of the customers ducked behind a shelf and called the cops - then called her parents.

By the time the cops arrived, the word was spreading fast. In less time than it takes to tell it, there was a long line of cars approaching (at high speed), all containing older folks with their 12-gauges and .30-30 lever guns. Ended up with all eight of the town police at the scene - four to arrest the BG's (who, looking around, couldn't surrender fast enough!) and four to hold off the outraged townsfolk, all of whom wanted a piece of the action and were disgusted that "dem cops hoggin' all de fun to demselfs!" :D

Later that year, the Chief of Police lost his job in the local elections. It's rumored that pissed-off townsfolk never forgave him for spoiling their fun.

Ala Dan
May 4, 2006, 07:28 AM
As a former lawman-

I agree with what most poster's have said in regards to CCW,
especially those comments made by our friend Archie.
Hoodlums, gang bangers, and those with a criminal past don't
have my sympathy~!:uhoh: :D

rdbrowning
May 4, 2006, 07:38 AM
I can't answer your question about LOE opinion, but your legislation should have been written with a "non-preemption" clause. In Michigan's CCW law they had the forethought to write in that local municipalities could not write a more restrictive law than what the state had. Of course the law was sold partialty on the basis of making the laws consistant throughout the state. After the law was passed several cites passed laws trying to further restrict where a pistol could be carried. They were eventually struck down in court.

stevelyn
May 4, 2006, 10:18 AM
I'm an officer with a rural department. During my time in the MPs, I met a few big city kids that were anti's.
As a civilian officer I can't say that I know or even heard of an anti-gun/CC officer in Alaska, although I'm sure there might be a few.
Even the Lower 48 transplants that end up with one agency or another are either pro or neutral.

My personal opinion? I'm here on this and other boards. I'm proud to be a naturalized Alaskan and I would like to export our freedoms to other states and Canada or at least to Yukon and NWT.

armoredman
May 4, 2006, 10:40 AM
Most officers in my Dept are pro carry for civilians, but this is AZ, where carry is normal and accepted. There are some antis, (which always flip me out - why go to work at a place that requires you to qualify with and use a firearm, if you hate guns...), but mostly pro gun.
Jeff, I test for LT next year, youse tryin' to say sumpin'?:neener:

skers69
May 4, 2006, 12:36 PM
Although a republican state, Lincoln is the SF of the midwest

What does this mean? SF? Thanks.

Leanwolf
May 4, 2006, 01:15 PM
"SF" means "San Fransisco."

ARCHIE - "However, 'management' is a different animal. All the serious anti-gun types I've seen, met or heard have been either Chiefs, Sheriffs or other upper managment sorts; or those who are aspiring to those positions. To become a 'manager' is a quasi-political process; to become upper managment is purely political."

Archie has made a 100% correct statement.

L.W.

Mikee Loxxer
May 4, 2006, 02:06 PM
I don't think I would call Lincoln the SF of the Midwest. Lawrence Kansas is more liberal in my opinion. Lincoln just looks like SF as it is in Nebraska and a college town, if it where anywhere on the coast it would be moderate to conservative.

skers69
May 4, 2006, 02:13 PM
I grew up in Lincoln and now live in KC. I would say Lawrence Kansas is 100% more liberial than Lincoln. Just my .02.

Nebraska is a very consertive state....

zeke1312
May 4, 2006, 10:45 PM
Kansas now has CCW. I assume residents of Lawrence can CCW. The politicians in Lincoln are actively seeking and will probably get their CCW ban. As far as the SF thing....:) Yes, Nebraska is conservative but Lincoln tends to be "touchy feely".

280PLUS
May 5, 2006, 06:06 AM
My uncle retired as acting Chief of Dade County Sherriff's Dept. He then went on to be chief of the Miami school district police for a few years. He left because he couldn't deal with the politics. He was a cop, not a politician. I'm not sure what his feelinge were on civilians and guns. I DO believe he isn't all that fond of them regardless of who's hands they are in. When he found out I was carrying he was like, "YOU are carrying? I didn't know you were into guns." And I explained to him that the Navy had introduced me to handguns. He IS a VN vet (Army) which may explain his disdain for firearms. A LOT of combat vets I know want nothing to do with them.

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