Is there an AK47 style rifle...


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Alex45ACP
May 5, 2006, 11:02 PM
That meets all of these criteria:

1. Chambered in 7.62X39
2. Decent balance
3. Decent weight
4. Decent accuracy
5. Preferably wood furniture, but this isn't a priority
6. A bolt that locks open on the last shot

I had a VEPR and it was a high quality rifle, but I didn't really like the way it balanced, and if I ever had to use it, I really didn't want to pull the trigger and hear "click" when I was expecting a "bang".

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TIMC
May 5, 2006, 11:08 PM
My Dragonov locks open after the last round, fairly well balanced and even fairly accurate but it shoots 7.62x54. Probably close as you will get on an AK style rifle.

beerslurpy
May 5, 2006, 11:46 PM
An M4 with a 7.62x39 upper and wood furniture lol grasping at straws?

Last round bolt hold open and 7.62x39 arent found together very often. Otherwise it sounds like you are describing a saiga. You can always use a drum and just never reload.

TexAg
May 6, 2006, 12:01 AM
I'd say Saiga too. And there actually were some in 7.62x39 with wood furniture.
#6 is a no go, but it does have a manual bolt hold open.

aguyindallas
May 6, 2006, 12:02 AM
SKS?

Texfire
May 6, 2006, 12:25 AM
Some AK mags from specific countries of manufacture, can't remember which ones of the top of my head, have a follower that will hold open the bolt when the last round is fired until the magazine is removed.

Tex

Gun Wielding Maniac
May 6, 2006, 01:03 AM
That was the Yugoslavian AKM magazines. Speaking of which, the Yugo AK is a very fine weapon. Actually, any of the AK series will meet your needs, providing you use bolt hold open modded magazines. You can do this yourself. Do a search on Gunco.net. A poster did a thorough walk through on the topic.

Libertyteeth
May 6, 2006, 02:14 AM
Looks like some Saigas are now available with bolt hold open.

http://www.fbmginc.com/riflesshotguns.htm.

IZ-132, 7.62X39 rifle
Plastic stock, 16' bbl, scope mount, traditional safety, 10rd detachable magazine, and bolt stop are standard features

Destructo6
May 6, 2006, 03:25 AM
VZ-58 or as Ohio Ordnance manufactures them, the VZ-2000.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/vz2000/vz.htm

Not exactly cheap at $1200, but all that you ask.

rangerruck
May 6, 2006, 03:50 AM
saiga, fits the bill especially the accuracy, but no number 6

Zen21Tao
May 6, 2006, 05:00 AM
An M4 with a 7.62x39 upper and wood furniture lol grasping at straws?


+1

WeedWhacker
May 6, 2006, 10:26 AM
Some AK mags ... have a follower that will hold open the bolt when the last round is fired until the magazine is removed.

Is that merely to indicate that the magazine is empty? I've got a few of those mags, and they irritate me as they make removal of the empty mag a bit more difficult, and the bolt likes to chew up the mag's follower. I'm paranoid and unreasonable, so I curse the mag for imagined wear on the bolt, too.

grimjaw
May 6, 2006, 11:36 AM
I agree with the poster who replied 'SKS'. The 16" bbl versions are light and balance well, have sights equal to an AK47 (or better of you use TechSights), use the same round, and are close if not just as reliable. Comes stock with wood furniture. Try to find one and handle it before you dismiss it out of hand.

The stamped AK's balance better than the milled ones, IMO, and the VEPR balances poorly for a stamped gun.

jmm

MechAg94
May 6, 2006, 12:33 PM
Anyone have one of the SKS-D that takes 30 round mags? Or is that the SKS-M?

kentucky_smith
May 6, 2006, 12:59 PM
SKS. especially a 16" paratrooper.
Pros:
better ergonomics
well-placed safety
tech-sights make it a nice rifle
better balance
lighter

Cons:
doesn't take 30 round detachable mags well (although I've heard a few people who are having good luck nowadays.)

I use stripper clips and don't need 30 rounds. :uhoh:

albanian
May 6, 2006, 02:22 PM
"Anyone have one of the SKS-D that takes 30 round mags? Or is that the SKS-M?"

I had the M, I think. It was the one that had the Monte Carlo wood stock not the thumb hole stock. It actually was the only SKS that I have owned that had reliabilty problems. It would jam and I got rid of it for a lot less than it was worth. I love SKSs but I never grew to like the SKS M that I had.

I do have a Romanian SAR-1 and a Yugo AK and the Yugo is very well made. Both of them work and both are reasonably accurate but the Yugo seems much higher quality. The Yugo comes with mags that hold the bolt open as well. It is an underfolder but I think they make a regular stocked version as well.

Correia
May 6, 2006, 05:10 PM
Those bolt stop Saigas you pointed out on my webpage are manual bolt hold opens, not the kind that hold open on the last shot.

And this may sound weird, but after a certain amount of trigger time on an AK, I know when I fired my last shot because it feels different. I've not done a click instead of a bang for a really long time now.

AndyC
May 6, 2006, 08:41 PM
Yup - I can hear/feel a sort of "Bong!" on the AK which I think comes from the empty mag once the last round is chambered.

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