Ever heard of this?


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DevLcL
May 6, 2006, 07:47 AM
An ex-US Army coworker of mine were disscussing guns the other day. The guy has a good head on his shoulders and isn't really the type to say something stupid. Anyway he says the S.O. of his fire team was teaching the men how to disarm an opponent who is wielding a semi-auto DA handgun while unarmed. The process was to get as close as possible then grab your opponents weapon by the slide and push it back, redering the weapon inoperable. Then, twist towards the enemies thumb and begin to pull back towards your free hand. Well you get the idea. Sounds to me like you'd get shot trying to "get as close as possible". But if that worked it seems somewhatdoable

What do you think :confused:

My shift key just broke

_Dev

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1 old 0311
May 6, 2006, 07:53 AM
I have seen this done in self defense classes. In the Marines we learned not to let them get THAT close.

Kevin

redloki
May 6, 2006, 08:37 AM
I believe the idea it to put the slide out of battery so it will not fire. I have heard (probally read) of people using this tactic and having it fail causing the person to get shot in the hand. While having no first hand experience with live ammo. I have tried it with an empty gun the first time I heard of it. This is something I would have to practice over and over to consider using it. Definatly a tactic for the quick.

DPB
May 6, 2006, 08:52 AM
Assuming you decided you needed to hold someone at gun point, what would you do if that someone tried to grab your blaster?

I'm guessing "stand still and see what happens" isn't the answer.

Geno
May 6, 2006, 09:07 AM
I've been a licensed instructor of two military styles of TKD for about 26 years. This is true regarding autoloaders, although you left one step out.

But, I am not going to get into it here as it is a very advanced technique, and as already stated, it does come with the risk of being shot once in the hand.

My rationale of not discussing it? Simple, some joker will try it, forget to unload his or her gun and get shot.

Doc2005

joab
May 6, 2006, 09:19 AM
I've seen it done but never tried it.

It is a techniques used when you are already in very close proximity so getting as close as you can is talking about inches not feet.

I have also seen it on TV a couple of times.
The theory given there is that it is expected that you will follow the natural reaction to recoil from danger, when you move in it throws your opponent mentally off balance for a second
Explanation courtesy of Reno Reins

DPB
May 6, 2006, 10:10 AM
I'm not disrespecting anyone's disarm techniques. If that's all you've got left, and you're about to get shot anyway, go for it. But realize that there is a good chance of you getting shot while attempting the disarm.

Try it with a kids dart gun, one of those old plastic pellet or disk guns, Sims if you're that lucky, whatever. Do it a couple of times, and see how often you get shot before you get your hands on the gun.

No doubt there are people who can execute an effective disarm a reasonable percentage of the time. I'm sure, as has been pointed out, that it's an advanced technique. I'm just concerned about the concept of "if he's pointing a gun at you, just do this, and everything will work out." That has an exceptional chance of turning out poorly.

Like Kevin said, the guy with the gun should never let you get that close.

dfaugh
May 6, 2006, 10:47 AM
I studied the martial arts for years and we were taught a couple scenarios to disarm...But the key to any of them was to control the muzzle and the hand/arm, not touching the gun itself. I've practiced these, and they work... They rely on "sweeping" the gun away from you, then disabling the attacker. I would think anything else would be dangerous.

joab
May 6, 2006, 05:38 PM
years ago there was little bitty old man that disarmed Hulk Ferigno on the Johnny Carson show using this or a very similar technique.
Lou was visibly hurt and upset about it.

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