Do you mean getting through a full mag without blowing up?
Do you mean firing 100 rounds with no appreciable damage to the gun?
Do you mean firing 1000 rounds with no damage?
I'm confident that all of the guns you list could go through a magazine without breaking. That ammo WILL accellerate wear on any handgun, though, and eventually damage it.
The big question is WHY? Why are you going to use it in a handgun? Is this just for fun, or potential CCW ammo?
May 10, 2006, 02:23 PM
BATF published a notice that this ammo may be dangerous in any firearm a while back. Can't find the notice, but try a search. I believe Hirtenberger of Austria made it for a Brit contract. Looks like you have the HP headstamp,90 is the year of manufacture.
I have read that this stuff may exceed 50,000 PSI.
I wouldn't shoot it in any pistol, but those who have confirmed it was VERY hot, like 1500 fps.
Type in L7A1 in a search on these forums and read the bad news. Look for the post by Roundeye Samuri-he says it is unsafe even in most subguns. If it has the L7A1 on the headstamp, watch out.
May 10, 2006, 06:35 PM
If it's +p+ you're shooting, the HK's USP line is rated from the factory as capable of shooting +p+ :D Says so in my owner's manual
May 10, 2006, 06:50 PM
+P+ can be handled by any modern pistol in good shape. It is commonly used in many police duty weapons.
L7A1 is a completely different animal.
May 10, 2006, 08:40 PM
Ruger Security Six? ( I know, not an autoloader, hard to find in 9mm, but still)
May 10, 2006, 09:37 PM
Umm Browning clearly says +P+ is NOT recommended in HPs ! While CZ75/85 are said to be ok with it . As for the L7A1 , I wouldn't trust it in any pistol since it was designed strictly for subgun use only .
May 10, 2006, 10:07 PM
advetised as Israeli subgun ammo. If it's the blacktip it isn't that bad. Was cheap enough to gamble on. Will be shooting with glasses, full face shield, and welding mits. I am buying it 2000 rounds at a time so I don't want just one mag. I'll buy a Glock if I have to.
I've got a CZ52 with 9mm barrel, but I don't feel like picking pieces of that out of my head.
May 10, 2006, 10:12 PM
I've run some of the L7A1 through a Glock 17 and a USP 9mm. Both weapons were stock and I put about 100rnds each without any problems. Recoil was heavier though as to be expected. I was at the local range and we were running a 9mm AR and my HK94 and decided to do some pistol work as well, and the L7A1 was the only ammunition we had on hand in 9mm that day. Won't use it anymore after doing some research on the pontential problems though.
May 10, 2006, 10:19 PM
Why? 9mm ammo isn't so expensive as to risk a good pistol or your health.
May 10, 2006, 10:36 PM
Mortech, The current Hi power manual on Brownings site mentions nothing prohibiting +P+ rounds. Neither does my manual. The NRA shot one with 5,000 rounds of +P+ without a problem. I wouldn't reccomend a steady diet of them in any pistol, but any current quality pistol can handle them.
May 11, 2006, 12:10 AM
For the L7A1, I would be most comfortable using it in:
1. Any CZ. They are designed to digest +p+ ammo in large volume.
2. Glocks. Same answer. My G19 shoots +p+ ammo like its firing bb's.
3. H&K's, only because the dude above says the manual says they can take +p+.
4. SIG's. I think they are designed for this, and I think I have read people have shot this ammo in them alot. Not sure about his, I would check to be sure.
May 11, 2006, 07:51 AM
Taurus states in the manual not to use +p or+p+
May 11, 2006, 11:26 AM
OK, I've gone back and checked. Lots of folks have used this in SIGS, but some ended up with cracked frames after shooting thousands of the L7A1 ammo through it.
Also, found another guy who has run thousands through his Hi-Power.
I checked some old threads and it seems lots of folks have used it in CZ's with no ill effects at all, and a few people have used it in HK's and had no problems. Plenty of Glock users have used it with not complaints I could find.
I want to say a guy ran some through a Ruger but I've got to get back to work and can't check right now...
May 12, 2006, 04:17 PM
I am pretty sure the SIG manual says no +p+.
I don't know about CZ. That's most likley what I'll be shooting it out of.
May 12, 2006, 05:03 PM
check the testing CZ did of the P-01. I think they shot tens of thousands of high pressure rounds through it.
May 12, 2006, 11:27 PM
Jungle : My comments pretain to shooting +P+ out of a stock HP , their were issues with the locking block shearing off . If your going to shoot any +P+ out of a HP I would follow advice I found on this site -> http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPower127Winchester.htm
May 13, 2006, 12:29 AM
Bought 1,000 rds of L7A1 subgun ammo at a gunshow 3 years ago.Ran it all through a bone stock Sig P228 with no problems or wear.(Not till it was long gone did I find out it was subgun loads)I'd imagine the full size P226 would eat it up just fine as well.
May 14, 2006, 06:13 AM
michael_aos has the right idea here. Use the subgun ammo in a subgun...to avoid possibly unnecessary bodily injuries.:)
No subgun in your collection? get a conversion unit. http://www.mechtechsys.com/
May 14, 2006, 07:36 AM
I think this type of ammo is best suited to pistol caliber carbines.
Hi-Point says its 995 9mm carbine handles +P+. The keltec sub2000 should also handle it without difficulty. I don't remember if they specifically say that, they are very conservative in such matters, but the clue is that they say if standard pressure ammo doesn't cycle your sub2k they will install a weaker spring for you.
The Ruger 9mm carbine may be robust enough for +P+ but that is only a guess.
I'd be very reluctant to run it through a Marlin Camp Carbine unless you had a new recoil damper, very strong springs and perhaps a synthetic stock.
May 14, 2006, 02:17 PM
I know Glock/Sig/HK/etc. are good guns, but I personally would be weary of using subgun ammo in any alloy or poly frame pistol, regardless of +p+ rating. These materials are weaker and generally do not give visible warning signs. Failures tend to be sudden and catastrophic.
May 16, 2006, 12:46 PM
I personally think the poly guns would take it better. The slide and barrel are the lockup.
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