[BamBam-31]

My new baby poo Glock 17 is a sweet shooting pistol (Triggerkit.com trigger, Dawson FO FS, Heinie rear, THE mag catch), but it keeps ejecting brass straight back at my forehead (and Kevlarman's head, too!). My G19 doesn't do this, nor do any of my other pistols (well, the C96 kinda....).

Is there something wrong with the extractor? TIA. :)

[RyanM]

Did the trigger kit come with a recoil spring? That would be my guess. Try swapping all the parts back and see if it still does it.

[BamBam-31]

No, it's the stock captured spring and guide rod. Thanks. :)

[Buzztail]

you gots to hold it sidwayz:what:


or it's the recoil spring:D

[lawson4]

Why would the recoil spring cause the cartridge to fly backwards?:confused:

lawson4

[Lone_Gunman]

Extractor or Ejector needs tweeking.

[Vitamin G]

Cue Tim Allen Voice : Needs more power!

I don't suppose they are handloads are they? My G20 has a straight back eject with low power 135gr rounds, but a marathon distance 45 degree angle eject with full power anything.

[gudel]

Extractor or Ejector needs tweeking

Only if you have a 1911.

Quit holding it like a girl. Give it a firm grip, and it will stop hitting you in the head after it crapped the empty brass! :D

[RyanM]

Well, try switching back to all factory parts anyway, and see if it still happens. I doubt it's the extractor, but if you want to check it, see if it still bonks your head if you swap in your G19's extractor.

[Lone_Gunman]

Its an extractor problem.

[Black Majik]

Mike,

None of the aftermarket parts you installed would cause erratic ejection. Its the extractor that needs to be tweaked. Oh bring that to the next USPSA match. *POP POP POP Owww...* :D

[BamBam-31]

Dunno why people keep insisting it's my grip. None of my other pistols, including my G19, fling brass straight back. I use a firm two-handed high thumbs hold, BTW. Firmer now than before, cuz now I'm trying IPSC double taps instead of slowfire single shots at the range.

Any visual cues as to what to look for on the extractor? Works fine, other than the direction of ejected brass. Also, are the G19 and G17 extractors identical? If so, I'll prolly try a swap.

Rich, this is my new IPSC gun. Next time out, it's what I'm shooting til I get experienced enough to drop two large on a game gun. And, if I prance around like a fairy, the brass wont hit me, right? :D

[Lone_Gunman]

I doubt it's the extractor, but if you want to check it

I am curious why you say this. I have had the same problem on autos, both 1911s and other autos, and this problem is always fixed by adjusting, tweaking, or changing the extractor. Tuning an extractor, especially on 1911s, can be done to allow brass to fall in a fairly nice neat little pile if its done correctly.

Why don't you think its the extractor?

[asdaf]

Yet another vote for extractor; I had a 22 that did the same thing. Took out the extractor and discovered a hidden crack; replaced it and the problem was gone. Everybody accused me of limpwristing also. Until they tried it and took a mag full of brass in the face. Then all of a sudden the limpwristing theory didn't hold as much appeal.

[gudel]

it's a glock, not a 1911. no need to tweak around the extractor/ejector on a new glock. ask in GT, they will tell you what I said :D

have someone else shoot it. ;)

[BamBam-31]

Someone else did. Re-read. ;)

[WeedWhacker]

Is the spent brass actually being ejected straight into your face, or is it being thrown up in an arch which ends at your forehead?

I've got a stock G17 which just loves to fling hot brass down the back of my shirt (hot brass dance!)... but it does that by shooting the brass up and back in an arch. I think the wind's in on that, too: most brass gets flung a bit to the side, but not too far away. Not directly from the ejection port into the face, however.

[Buzztail]

Why would the recoil spring cause the cartridge to fly backwards?
The recoil spring rate controls the slide speed-heavier spring= slower slide lighter spring= faster slide speed. That controls the force that the shell hits the ejector. That plus the extractor grip will greatly change the angle of ejection. Since it's a glock, I'm going to say the recoil spring is the culprit

[lyricsdad]

it seems with a glock, since it isnt broke, dont fix it...

[Lone_Gunman]

It amazes me that people think bone-stock Glocks never have problems.

I don't know if it simply based on limited experience, or if these folks actually have some type of cognitive dysfunction that leads them to believe that the Glock is the one and only man made device that is not subject to malfunctions.

I have owned numerous Glocks. All but one were reliable. The one that was not reliable was a jam-o-matic, and it was totally stock.

I think Glocks are fine weapons, and often carry a Glock 19, but I am not so blind as to believe everything I hear in movies.

[duncan]

Unless your extractor is completely broken, I suspect it's your ammo.

As a reloader, I have had extra hot load flip cases right into my face as well.

Have you shot different brands or different reloads with different charges through it?

Could be some really hot ammo or you were shooting out-of-spec ammo. When you shoot ammo that you don't personally load, it can either fall to rack the slide back or slam the slide back so hard, the extractor does not have time to function - throwing brass anywhere but to the side.

Usually this happens with 45 acp rounds as the case is large and the charges are supposed to be light since it's a low pressure round - so when you get 6 grains of any powder in there - you get brass to the face. Happened to me with my Glock 21 for a couple of rounds until I switched to an alternate load.

It's your ammo.

[FunYet]

My 17 does the exact same thing. My 19 and 26 do not. Same as you, I've tried all diiferent ways to grip the gun and have had several other people give it a try. Same results; skull, meet brass, brass, meet skull. Till I resolve it I'm just going to wear my cap and pull the bill down. Looking into another extractor just for kicks.

[ThreadKiller]

My wife's 17 does the same thing. We've only fired UMC 115 FMJ's through it so far but it flings brass right on top of our heads consistently with that load.

[duncan]

Try some better ammo - like some Winchester white box

OR

Some self defense grade ammo - Hydrashoks, Speer Golf Dots and see how it performs then

[Silent Bob]

Every G17 I have fired with the LCI extractor sprays the brass around (usually onto my shoulders, and down my shirt) They have done this to me despite the grip used on the gun.

G17s with the old-style (and preferable, in my opinion) do not do this.

[Master Blaster]

The problem is the EJECTOR not the extractor (it is extracting all of the cases reliably right???).

If you take a file, and lightly file the face of the ejector very slightly changing the angle of the face of the ejector, it should solve the problem.
This is how you do it on a 1911, or you bend the extractor a little to change the tension(cant do that on a Glock).

Or you could call GLOCK and tell them the problem and have them fix it which they will most likely do at no charge.

Good luck

[BamBam-31]

Thanks for the replies, folks. To answer some of the questions asked:

--I was using AE and WWB ammo.
--The casings occasionally eject in an upward arc straight back and bounce off my forehead.

A couple of questions of my own:

--What's an LCI extractor? Is that what's on the new G17's now?
--Could you please elaborate on how I'd go about filing he ejector? How much, and at what angle?

Thanks again. :)

[Ken Rainey]

LCI (Loaded Chamber Indicator) extractor. I have changed this out to an older non LCI extractor and cured the brass to the head problem before. I've not ever had to adjust an ejector on a Glock before, but hey, there's a first time for everything ! I'd replace the extractor with an older style first. This of course presumes that the extractor is not chipped and that the extractor plunger, spring and bearing are installed correctly and that it is clean.

[Silent Bob]

I too have fixed the problem in a G17 by replacing the LCI extractor with an old-style one, so the problem definintely involves the design of the extractor in a G17, and not the ejector. If you do replace the extractor with an old-style one, be sure you also use an old-style spring-loaded bearing in order for it to work properly.

[BamBam-31]

Sounds like a plan. Gonna replace the LCI with an old-style extractor set-up. Thanks for the info--you guys are great. :)

[Ken Rainey]

The spring loaded bearing (black plastic part) doesn't have to be changed....as a matter of fact, they don't offer the "old" ones any more since they "upgraded" them. ;)

[CAnnoneer]

The G17 I sometimes rent does exactly that to me. I got a 5mm burn mark on my face when the hot shell flipped in the air and got stuck in my glasses. Good thing it did not burn my eye instead. :mad: