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SquirrelNuts
April 25, 2003, 08:37 PM
I had a situation happen two nights ago. I had always considered it, but never though it would happen to me. I always stop/slow down for critters in/near the road, and have never hit anything besides bugs. I do not intend to kill an animal unless I am going to eat it. I was riding with a friend and his wife was driving. She is a *horrible* and *wild* driver.

We were on the road behind their house that goes through their neighborhood. She spotted a bunny on the side of the road, and did not even slow down. The rabbit darts into the road and she does not swerve, and just lightly taps her brakes. She saw it sitting there before she got to it. We feel a *bump* *bump* and she keeps on going. I yell at her to stop the car, but she does not stop for another 1/4 mile. Her husband and I walk back and check on the bunny. It is badly injured, with a stripe on it from where the tire removed its fur. The bare skin is showing. Its heart is still beating and it is bleeding slightly. I moved the rabbit off the road onto the grass. We go into my friend's house and grab a .22LR and a handfull of Colibri. I put one shot into its head, and two shots into the heart (one to the head, two to COM). We burried the rabbit near the road. (No-we did not eat it!!!!)

I started carrying my AR-7 in my truck after this. If we had not had a .22LR rifle, we would of had to stab the rabbit. I was not going to shoot him with a 9mm or a .25-both too loud and too powerful. The near silent Colibri did the trick.

-SquirrelNuts

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HABU
April 25, 2003, 09:16 PM
I was riding with a friend and his wife was driving. She is a *horrible* and *wild* driver.
The rabbit darts into the road and she does not swerve
She sounds like a sensible driver to me. How many people swerve to miss a squirrel or some such and end up in the ditch with a damaged vehicle, injured or worse? I'll not soon be going into the ditch for Thumper because he doesnt have the sense to stay out from under my tires. :evil:

MLH
April 25, 2003, 09:23 PM
I tried (and did miss it) an animal I totaled a car and almost killed myself. I DON'T do that anymore. If they jump in front of the car they're history. Their momma should have taught them better. That said I will stop and put them out of their misery.

SquirrelNuts
April 25, 2003, 09:34 PM
This was at a low speed, on dry pavement in good conditions. I would not swerve at high speeds, but I do in a nighborhood.

-SquirrelNuts

sctman800
April 25, 2003, 09:43 PM
If I see a critter along the road I keep an eye on it and usually slow down a little in anticipation of a dumb move on it's part. Slam on the brakes, no way, sorry critter, but sometimes it just happens. Jim.

dakotasin
April 25, 2003, 10:08 PM
i never slam on the brakes, and i never swerve for an animal. i will turn slightly and/or brake a little to avoid hitting an animal... however, i don't worry about animals like rabbits, squirrels, etc.

i always have some sort of gun w/ me for putting animals down that need it. last time it was needed, a pickup passed me, and ran over a yearling deer. deer was seriously injured, and probably would've died anyway... just good practice, i think, to keep a firearm w/ ya.

Doc
April 25, 2003, 10:40 PM
quote

i never slam on the brakes, and i never swerve for an animal. i will turn slightly and/or brake a little to avoid hitting an animal... however, i don't worry about animals like rabbits, squirrels, etc.

Correct driving tactics. Be very careful not to program your defensive tactics so they put you in danger: the loss of small animals is unfortunate, but the loss of loved ones when a deer sized animal goes thru the windshield is tragedy.

Standing Wolf
April 25, 2003, 10:40 PM
I'll do my best to avoid hitting small animals if I can do so safely—and "safely" includes not startling other drivers.

Large animals? Well, let's just say I once hit a dear while driving a rental car in the middle of Indiana. It wasn't even a very big deer, but it made a very large repair bill.

Logistar
April 25, 2003, 10:46 PM
I learned a long time ago not to swerve to miss an animal. I used to ride a motorcycle and if you HAVE to hit something, hit it head on. :eek:

Animals are unpredictable. If you swerve, thry might dart in that direction anyway. Most people overdo it and loose control of their vehicle when they try and miss a small animal.

As much as I hate to kill a small cuddly creature, potentially hurting or killing people is much, much worse.

(Would you ever get in trouble for shooting a wounded animal after it tangled with a vehicle? :confused: )

Logistar

HABU
April 25, 2003, 10:57 PM
Some animals will wait on the shoulder in anticipation of an approaching vehicle, as evidenced by the squirrel in the Geico Insurance commercial. The squirrel runs out in front of an oncoming car and the car swerves. When the car goes out of frame all you hear is screeching tires and a crash as the perpetrating squirrel is joined by another squirrel and they are high fiving and hand jiving each other while chattering up a storm!:D :neener:

Gordy Wesen
April 25, 2003, 11:23 PM
In many states it is illegal to finish off struck animals.
The first deer I finished off was my last when I found this out.

Logistar
April 26, 2003, 12:26 AM
In many states it is illegal to finish off struck animals. That's what I was afraid of. I suppose if it was a larger animal (deer, etc) I would call it in to the police and ask them if I should put it out of it's misery. If they say to go ahead I would probably be OK.

Logistar

Wildalaska
April 26, 2003, 12:32 AM
Ya hit a moose in the middle of nowhere and you darn well better have something to finish it off with (assuming the collision hasnt screwed you up too badly)...

When I first got up here I had to finish one off 30 miles outside the city of Anchorage because some tourist hit it and was unarmed. I remember the lady telling me to wait for the police to come, I told her that the moose would be dead and decayed before the cops got there. They showed up an hour later.

WildalwaysarmedAlaska

Okiecruffler
April 26, 2003, 01:31 AM
I don't carry a gun especially for putting down hit animals, but I always keep a speed strip of .357SWC in my glove box. Has come in handy on a couple of raccoons, and if push came to shove could be used for a SD reload.

synoptic
April 26, 2003, 01:34 AM
When the car goes out of frame all you hear is screeching tires and a crash as the perpetrating squirrel is joined by another squirrel and they are high fiving and hand jiving each other while chattering up a storm!

Those are California ground squirrels, or at least they act the same. When we lived in "middle" california the ground squirrels would do exactly that. You get to the point where you don't even think twice about running over a squirrel. I try to miss them now if safely possible, they just look too much like my little sugar gliders.

Ikari
April 26, 2003, 03:18 AM
Any animal I see, I watch it real carefully and plan what I'm gonna do if it decides to try to commit suicide via Ikari's van. I wouldn't bother swerving for anythings smaller than a rabbit. I had a dog dart in front of me once, I was going slow enough I just bumped him with the bumper, he walked away uninjured. The most casualties I've inflicted with vehicles (besides the untold millions of bugs) have been of the avian variety. Some birds just dont' judge closure rates very well, i guess, because about a dozen have hit my windshield or grille. Fortunately they have all been small birds. I don't want a seagull landing in my lap one of these days. :what:

Azrael256
April 26, 2003, 03:38 AM
Ikari, speaking of birds, my grandfather caught a buzzard with the driver's side windshield of his motorhome at 70mph. We are still finding glass in the carpet. I had a less eventful experience with a dove once. I was rolling along at about 40 and a few of them were in the road. They all took off in the opposite direction except for one of them, who headed straight into my grill. I jumped out to make sure he hadn't penetrated it, and found the little **** sitting in the middle of the road shaking his head. He saw me and took off in an amusingly crooked path. I stood there and loudly presented serious questions as to his lineage until I realized that I was standing in the middle of the road swearing at a dove flying off into the sunset... And I thought he was the dumb one.

My only deadly experience in this arena was with a squirrel. He jumped out, and I had no time to react (I was only doing about 30, so I wouldn't have needed much time) so he took my bumper between the eyes. I didn't have anything handy to put him out of his suffering, so I had to rely on my pocketknife... cried all the way home, too. Hunting them doesn't bother me at all, but like that...

USMCsilver
April 26, 2003, 07:17 AM
If you were worried about the animal's suffering, why did you take the extra time to go to a house to get a .22.

Two other options were to snap its neck right there on the spot, or send a downward blow to the head with the heel of your shoe. That would have worked quite efficiently as well, and it would have been sudden.

zahc
April 26, 2003, 09:37 AM
^what he said

Snowdog
April 26, 2003, 09:57 AM
.22LR and a handfull of Colibri. I put one shot into its head, and two shots into the heart


Well, forget shooting it in the head with that stuff, it's extremely unlikely it penetrated the skull. Maybe it did some damage to the heart... maybe.

I have absolutely no use for Colibri .22LR. After a few sessions on various targets and 500 rounds of the junk, I moved up to Super Colibri, which is just more of the same.

If you need a .22LR to be quite, but still powerful to reliably do the job, .22 CB Shorts/Longs should be the minimum.

Sorry for your misfortune.

bedlamite
April 26, 2003, 10:07 AM
My experience has been similar to Ikari, my truck has only hit two animals, both were birds.

Feanaro
April 26, 2003, 10:29 AM
Sentiment: Swerving off the road to avoid that little squirrel.

Sentimentality: Hitting a person while avoiding said squirrel.

If it's small and it's close then too bad for the animal. I'll try to put it out of it's misery (that's what a pocket knife is for) but otherwise the little furry is outta luck. Now at a low speed with time to react that's another story.

45R
April 26, 2003, 12:43 PM
I was coming home from a shoot at the range one night with the girlfriend and while exiting the parking lot I had a green light. The conditions were dark and wet when I pulled out of the lot. I slowed down for blind spot to make my left turn. Suddenly my Honda was struck by a homo saphien species of mammal wearing a black sweatshirt with hood, decked out with a headset, black backpack and riding a bicycle struck the driver side fender of my car. This homo saphien landed on top of my hood and rolled back onto the black asphault taking a pretty hard bounce. (mind you I was probably driving 5-10mph exiting the parking lot).

I asked him if he was okay and he was a little shaken. Noted two things when I looked out of the drivers window. Somehow he had struck my car hard enough that his rear reflector landed in my lap. He was not wearing a helment or riding a light (Biking law in this sate). I took him to the side of parking lot that was safe, turned on the hazards and checked to see if he was okay. Blood was dripping from his hands, he was shaken and refused medical attention. Waited a few more minutes to make sure he was okay and asked him about medical attention again. He refused. My first thought was to put this miserable species of mammal out of his misery with the .22Cal I had in my car. But it was sure bet that the bullets would not penetrate this morons thick skull. [This thought never occured but it was included for humor :neener: ] He walked over to observe the damage that he did to my car. The fender was pushed in and some very minor cosmetic damage to the bumper. He asked me if everything was cool and I asked him if he needed medical attention. He replied with no. So we went our seperate ways. 9mm vs. 45ACP stopping power nawwwww, all you need is a Honda.

pax
April 26, 2003, 12:57 PM
My husband hit a deer one night as he was driving home from work in his truck. Messed up the bumper something ugly, but he was fine and hey, that's what insurance is for.

Twelve hours later, he did the same thing again -- this time while he was driving my van. Well, !##$@#%. He was still fine but the van was messed up pretty bad. But hey, that's what insurance is for.

pax

A wonderful bird is the pelican,
His bill will hold more than his belican.
He can take in his beak
Enough food for a week,
But I'm darned if I know how the helican.
-- Dixon Merritt "The Pelican"

280PLUS
April 26, 2003, 01:02 PM
and speed up for humans,,,:evil:

Pawcatch
April 26, 2003, 05:19 PM
A stick,rock,brick, or your hands is plenty enough to dispatch a crippled rabbit.Most species of rabbits have very thin skulls and crack very easily.One it with a stick to the head and a cottontail's eyes will literally pop out of its head.

OEF_VET
April 26, 2003, 06:31 PM
I wasn't actually driving, but...

There I was in Kosovo, sitting in the turret of an uparmored Hum-vee, pulling security as our small convoy drove thru Pristina at 30 mph. I was looking to my left when I saw a black dot out of the corner of my right eye. I turned just in time to be hit in the face with by a crow. Dang that hurt. Luckily for me, I was wearing goggles and a Kevler, so all I got was a small cut on my face. The bird ended up dead, stuck between the tailgate and a 5 gallon fuel can.

For some reason, I didn't get a Purple Heart for being injured by a Kamikaze crow in a combat zone. Although, it does give creedance to the times people said my face could kill.

Frank
P.S. I swear this a true, albeit slightly embarrassing, story.

coonan357
April 26, 2003, 07:55 PM
clobbered a deer on I 94 a few back with my peterbilt at the begining of gun season in Michigan near Custer industrial park , Bambi Vs Pete ... Pete 1, bambi zero.. but it cost over 15 grand to fix the damage on the truck . and talk about redmist .... :what:

redneck
April 26, 2003, 10:38 PM
Am I the only one that just hits it a second time, making sure to finish the job?
I guess if you have a small car or something its not a sure deal. I drive a 10 year old 3/4 ton ford pickup, so its a pretty good squasher.
I won't put myself in harms way to miss an animal in the road, and the few things I hit were dead right then. If I needed to I'd just roll over em one more time. Quickest and easiest thing to do. Especially with all the legal hassles of carrying a gun in your vehicle.
My dad did hit a deer once, breaking its back legs. And it was off the road in the ditch. Thats a different situation, luckily for him he was right in front of a neighbors house that was all to happy to shoot the deer and fill the freezer.
I always carry a fairly large knife, and have a few other things in my truck. Its good to be prepared. Seems like folks are forgetting the easiest way to handle the situation most of the time.

Ikari
April 27, 2003, 12:21 AM
OEF_VET, I don't know if my story is as good as yours, but I have another funny story about kamikaze birds. About two years ago, my girlfriend sent me the following picture. According to her, she found the bird this way on her antenna in the morning when she went to get into her car. It is assumed it was flying and not watching where it was going (maybe in the dark). Oh well. Darwin was right, I guess.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pa89d164a0122b6b39fc656255ebc5a97/fc44142d.jpg

tex_n_cal
April 27, 2003, 01:40 AM
Well, if I can safely miss one, I will. My old truck had a 6 inch scratch on the drivers door from a deers antler, which I managed to avoid. One hunter I was slightly acquainted with wasn't so lucky - swerved to miss a deer and rolled his pickup at 80 mph. he didn't survive.

I am another guy who caught a dove in his grill. While driving south of Dallas one summer day, I caught one in the grill going about 70 mph. Thinking about how hot it was, I stopped, figuring the bird would start to smell if I waited until I stopped. I pulled off the freeway and pulled him out of the grill, and to my astonishment he flapped his wings and flew away.

Dionysusigma
April 27, 2003, 06:17 AM
"Am I the only one that just hits it a second time, making sure to finish the job?" -redneck

I'd have to agree with you there--friend of mine once said that there was no such thing as an unarmed driver.
:rolleyes:

Lone Star
April 27, 2003, 08:05 AM
Fortunately, I've only hit one squirrel, which evidently suffered a broken neck, as it flopped around on the road in a rear view mirror. Traffic precluded stopping, but I doubt it survived more than a few seconds.

Had a great horned owl fly into my radio antenna once while sitting in a stationary car. He swerved at the last instant or would have gone through the window right into my face! I guess he was making at pass at me, which is pretty scary. I've read about owls doing that. I think he saw the glass at the last instant, and veered. Gave the aerial a pretty good strumming...

Lone Star

ENC
April 28, 2003, 12:42 AM
My friends wife has hit and killed not one but two Owls with her car the second one took off quite a bit of paint.

Owl 0
alero 2

AZTOY
April 28, 2003, 12:55 AM
I live in a open range.

So, yes i swerve to miss animals like COWS .:neener:

Raistlin
April 28, 2003, 12:51 PM
My wife crested a hill in her truck one morning, when a dog strolled out in front of her. She hit the brakes, but to her dismay, there was an anally-retentive individual following waaaayyy too close behind. He ran his small two-door car into the rear end of her Dodge Ram 1500. Her bumper: bent and had to be replaced. His car: hood had a nice big trench running across it. The dog: walked away like nothing happened. :fire:

Upon leaving (once the deputy was done), my wife said something about "if I see that dog on the street again....". She has also delcared that if someone's following her and an animal dog-size or smaller steps in front of her vehicle - it's toast. :evil:

bogie
April 28, 2003, 01:05 PM
I've told these before... Was on a date, and had a possum cross in front of me on a country road next to my old farm (was heading to the back of the farm to the "parking place." Instinct took over.

I was in my old VW bus, and going slow enough that crossing to the other side of the road to get the double-thump wasn't a problem.

I'd forgotten that my date _wasn't_ from the country.

Oops. Didn't get any.

Here in St. Louis, was on another date, and the girl saw a cat that had been hit by a car. It was in pretty bad shape. I stopped (she wanted me to...), fished around in the trunk/hatchback, and then fixed the cat.

She freaked.

She'd thought that I was going to bundle up the still conscious clawmonster (which had portions of cat that shoulda been on the inside on the outside) and take it to a kitty hospital where they'd make it all better - on a Saturday night...

Oops. Didn't get any.

Ethics dictate that one put a mortally wounded critter out of its misery. But if I don't get some soon, I'm gonna go crazy... Hey, wait a minute - too late!

Hemicuda
April 28, 2003, 01:21 PM
I once crested a hill on a paved backroad near my home, to see a WHOLE herd of deer crossing the road... I was also doing better than 80 MPH... NOWHERE to go...

I slowed down (controlled) as best I could, but remembered NOT to swerve... a whole new front end later, (impact @ 60+ mph does WONDERS to the plastic front end of a '96 Dodge Ram) I was ok... BOTH ditches in that stretch are about 12' deep W/ STEEP banks, and lotsa concrete bulkheads for driveways.

remember, if there's no evidence of the animal, and you damage your vehicle, the usual outcome is a wreckless driving charge...

if there's evidence of an animnal, then insurance covers it...

Kharn
April 28, 2003, 04:01 PM
Bogie:
You seem to have a horrible record with dating and animals.

On my second day of driver's ed, I was presented with three choices: Hit a Lexus head on at ~50mph combined speed, go into the (very lightly constructed) fence seperating the road we were on from the Chesapeake Bay, or squash two pigeons. My instructor said "Dont hit the brake, you want to get 'em both with the tire!" and so I hit the gas. They were as flat as pancakes, no need for a .22 or anything.
When we got back to the classroom, he drew two pigeons on the whiteboard, and then X'ed them out with a red marker and told everyone what I did that day as a lesson in flattening wildlife vs a collision. I didnt bother asking the hot girl in the class if she wanted to go out, after she had demanded to know "who killed those two little birds?".

[Edit, oops, forgot half the message]
I really wish we could get some legal reform in MD, I'm on the road frequently during non-daylight hours and with the decline of deer hunting in my area, I frequently encounter them on the roads. Dispatching an injured one with my truck's lug wrench or pocket knife is not something I would consider humane; especially when if it occured in the next state over I could use my .45 to end the animal's suffereing.

Kharn

Drjones
April 28, 2003, 04:51 PM
Nope, sorry, nuh-uh, NEVER.

I'll echo what the first few posters said in that you should NEVER swerve for animals.

Trust me, I'm a HUGE animal-lover (NOT like that... :rolleyes: ) but I have decided that I simply will not swerve for anything smaller than a golden retriever. (Gee, that sounds an awful lot like, "I grew up shooting guns, but I think all guns should be banned." :rolleyes: )

As one poster knows from firsthand experience, it can cost you your life. (Or come darn close to it!)

I'm terribly sorry that happened to you, and I think you a wonderful person for going back and putting the poor thing out of its misery, but the driver did the right thing by not swerving.

I don't care if it IS "only" a residential area w/25 mph limit; I STILL DO NOT SWERVE or brake suddenly.

If anything, a residential area is the LAST place you would want to swerve or engage in other sudden movements, given that there are probably kids around.

Poodleshooter
April 28, 2003, 06:14 PM
My general rule is that I will swerve for any animal large enough to damage my car. Smaller animals I generally purposefully aim for.
I've got to go with redneck on this one-back over the animal to put it out of it's misery. As that dog in CA shows, even a gunshot is no sure thing. With pavement as a backdrop, it's an even worse proposition.

pale horse
April 28, 2003, 07:22 PM
In most cases when my brother go for a drive we are both carrying and who ever is riding shotgun has to clear the road. If a deer pops up here is what happens.

:crackle: Brother bird, brother bird.

:crackle: Go ahead.

:crackle: Seek premission to clear the road.

:crackle: Ahh roger that comece to clear the road.

:crackle: Roger that bomb bay window down comence firing.

:crackle: Quick and quiet.

That would be the way to solve the problem. In some cases out in the boonies I have the window down if I am flying solo I tuck my pistol under my leg for easy access. And should one of those little critters or big uns comes out their toast.

willp58
April 28, 2003, 08:33 PM
Reading about calling the cops to finish off a hit deer reminds me of a story that happened about 1/2 mile from my house.

Some guy hit a deer on a busy 5 lane near here. The deer was not killed so they called the cops and a female officer arrived on the scene.. She pulled her service gun (Glock) - stood back at least 15 yards and started whailing away!

At least 2 rounds richoceted off the pavement and hit a car repair shop. The owner ran out and was screaming to STOP shooting.

By now there was quite a crowd and the advise to the cop was to:
1. Get closer for God's sake!
2. Use a shotgun

I'm not sure if she actually ever did hit the poor thing.

redneck
April 28, 2003, 08:42 PM
I occasionally go after smallish critters too. Only racoons, possums, an groundhogs close to home. I'm gonna shoot em anyhow might as well get em when you see em ya know. Leaves more sweet corn in the garden for me :D

That story on callin the cops reminds me. My friends grandpa had the same thing happen to him. Hit a deer and it needed finished off, so he called the cops. The cop showed up and stood a few feet back with his sidearm. One handed in a sort of plinking manner and proceeded to just take pot shots injuring the deer. The old guy was into hunting and launched into a tirade "Shoot it in the HEAD you MORON, just give me the gun and I'll do it myself D(insert words, art's grammaw don't approve of....here) WHAT are you DOING!?!
Don't know whatever became of the deer.

zahc
April 28, 2003, 08:56 PM
That's sad. :( I hate seeing things suffer. Lifes messy.

ENC
April 28, 2003, 10:36 PM
Don't call the cops. I'm not even sure if they have the authority to do anything anyway.

Call a game warden. In addition to knowing what to do they can give you a roadkill tag so you can keep the meat if it is worth doing.

Drjones
April 29, 2003, 02:13 AM
Call a game warden. In addition to knowing what to do they can give you a roadkill tag so you can keep the meat if it is worth doing.

Actually, DO NOT do that.

After the story I saw tonight, you'd be better off taking care of the situation yourself.

Saw on the news tonight a game warden in FL(?) TX(?) (but I don't suppose y'all have gators in TX, huh?) was called to the scene where a gator was in the middle of the road.

What does this moron do?

He ties a rope around it (its neck, if I saw correctly. DON'T ask me how he got it there!!! :uhoh: :scrutiny: ) and DRAGGED THE GATOR BEHIND HIS TRUCK OUT OF THE ROAD, AND THEN SHOT IT.

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

That warden is the one who needed to be dragged behind a truck and put down for behavior like THAT!!! :fire: :fire:

ENC
April 29, 2003, 05:27 PM
For that situation I think the game warden didn't make the best decision. I don't know I wasn't there and didn't see it.

but for Deer around here I have always called the GW and had good luck. Usually (only happened to me twice) he will tell me I can go ahead and kill it and he will meet me as soon as possible and give me a tag for it.

Evan

bogie
April 30, 2003, 01:50 PM
My bud Clay was on his way back to town after sighting in his .300 winmag 700PSS deer rifle, when he discovered that the muzzle velocity of a Ford F150 stretchcab will do wonders on a deer. Truck was still operable (bumper was the only thing hurt), and he made sure the deer was down and dead (he's a doc - the deer was DEAD), and went back to the range to ask the conservation folks about what to do with the deer, they told him he could have it, and by the time he returned, someone had picked it up...

RustyHammer
April 30, 2003, 02:39 PM
Bet der wazs sum guud eat'n dat nigt!:D :p :)

Poodleshooter
April 30, 2003, 05:21 PM
Call a game warden. In addition to knowing what to do they can give you a roadkill tag so you can keep the meat if it is worth doing.
Probably a big "if" in most cases.
I've hit 2, and started to butcher one of those. The meat was a bit....tainted. Blood,bones, waste and guts all through the abdominal cavity. Roadkilled deer don't die easy like most shot deer do.
I was curious that time, but I doubt I'll try that again.

Mannlicher
April 30, 2003, 07:59 PM
I am speechless, and that does not often happen. I just have to ask though, was this post done tongue in cheek?

enfield
April 30, 2003, 08:08 PM
I doubt it was tongue-in-cheek. There's some really strange opinions out there in the world.

I don't hit animals intentionally. I don't risk an accident to avoid them either. I would never think of stopping my truck and going back to administer a coup-de-grace, or calling for a PETA ambulance.

(almost) Unbelievable!

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