Who here is not a Republican or a Conservative?


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doseyclwn
January 3, 2003, 11:33 PM
Just wondering. I am neither, but I am just as pro-gun as anyone.

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Standing Wolf
January 3, 2003, 11:36 PM
I'm more a Libertarian at heart than a Republican, but I vote Republican.

Soap
January 3, 2003, 11:37 PM
I don't like any politicians. I'm a classic liberal in most of my philosophy as well.

2dogs
January 3, 2003, 11:42 PM
My guess is I'm libertarian on most issues; have voted over the years for Democrats, Socialist Worker's Party, Republican, Libertarian.

I wouldn't now really put myself in anyone's camp- I pick and choose what makes sense to me, and try to destroy (figuratively) those who stand in the way of "freedom with responsibility", and common sense.

:what:

Nanook
January 3, 2003, 11:49 PM
I think pretty much the same as the Libertarian Party, but since they are not usually a factor in most elections I usually vote Republican. I sure wish we had some other choices.
I guess the best description for me would be a small L libertarian. Again, I don't agree with all of their platform, but quite a bit.

As Jefferson said, Government governs best, that governs least. Or words to that effect. That's where I'd like us to be.

AZTOY
January 3, 2003, 11:49 PM
Reistered Libertarian, But i voted mostly Republican.

I don't like any politicians. I think all 3 partys :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Preacherman
January 4, 2003, 12:03 AM
I don't belong to or support any party. I vote for the individual, not the organization. I have a few acid tests I apply to candidates for any office:

- Would I buy a used car from this person?

- Would I be happy to see my father/mother/brother/sister/son/daughter dating this person? Would I be happy to welcome them into my family?

- Does this person espouse and practise the same values as myself in areas that I consider important? Examples would include RKBA, abortion, size and role of government, etc.

If the answers to these questions are "No", then that person doesn't get my support.

There are, of course, times when none of the candidates measure up to these tests. Under such circumstances, I vote against the greater evil, rather than for the greater good, by voting for the least objectionable candidate. I don't think I ever have the right not to vote - if I've been given that responsibility, I need to exercise it, not let it atrophy.

amprecon
January 4, 2003, 12:03 AM
Check out the Constitution Party at: http://www.constitutionparty.com
I'm a registered Republican and never have and never will vote for a Democrat/Liberal.

.45FMJoe
January 4, 2003, 12:08 AM
I'm a registered Republican and never have and never will vote for a Democrat/Liberal.

Me too. :D

2dogs
January 4, 2003, 12:36 AM
Check out the Constitution Party

Yeah, but the death penalty for drug use?:what:

But I do like alot of what they say.

Also;

http://www.americafirstparty.org/

Think I'll take some from CP, some from AFP, some from Libertarian, mix it up and come up with my own party.:D

Want to join?

JPM70535
January 4, 2003, 12:41 AM
I claim to be a staunch Conservative, that is to say that the less government interference in my daily life, the better.

For years I lived in a state that was mainly Democrat (Read that as liberal) so in many elections I did not vote for a local or State official on the basis of his party but as has been stated earlier, I voted for the lesser of 2 evils.

I am proud to say however that I never voted for a Democrat for president all the way back to JFK and I was a registered Democrat at the time MEA CULPA ( I have changed partys since)

My main criteria to gain my vote is the candidates stand on the Constitution special attn. to ammendment #2

PATH
January 4, 2003, 12:52 AM
Registered Conservative in NY State. Tried Republican but that is too liberal for me.;)

Sindawe
January 4, 2003, 01:07 AM
I'm a Libertarian, with strong rational anarchist tendencies. I don't like political parties, and usually freak out my freinds when I tell them that public office should be filled by conscription.

Knock on the door

"Mr/Mrs/Ms Doe?" -says neatly dressed individual

"Yes? Can I help you?"

"Consider yourself elected. You have 10 min to grab a tooth brush and say good bye. We'll wait in the car"

Jobs are held open during your term in office, room and board provided and pay is suffecent to service your personal debts.

Radical perhaps, but its got to be a darn sight better than the snail-oil salesman we have now (Hon. Rep Paul excepted)

Tamara
January 4, 2003, 01:08 AM
Depending on how idealistic or grouchy I am on a given day, I oscillate between being a market anarchist and a small "l" libertarian.

AnklePocket
January 4, 2003, 01:11 AM
Conservative/Republican here, but (in order to reach the masses of New Jersey before the next elections) is there credibility to the arguement that the right to chose to carry a concealed weapon is actually somewhat of a liberal concept if you really think about it?

Ewok
January 4, 2003, 02:14 AM
I'm not a member of any organized political party. Or disorganized, for that matter.

Wildalaska
January 4, 2003, 02:14 AM
I consider myself to be a reasonable centrist with Bakuninist tendencies and occassional right leaning Trotskyite thoughts allthough I am a registered Republican.

I live in Alaska...I can think anyway I want without anyone caring very much...so can anyone else..

Sodbuster
January 4, 2003, 02:26 AM
Interesting fellow, Leon Trotsky. Too bad Lenin left a power vacuum when he died. He reached out many times to Trotsky and was rebuffed. The result was Stalin.

A strict Constitutionalist, myself, but not a member of the Constitution Party nor the Liberterian Party. Not registered Dem or Rep, I dislike them equally. Part Free Silver, part Free Soil, part Populist, part Federalist, maybe part Menshevik ala Trotsky? Hell, part Narodnik, too. Anything but the status quo. Appreciate the liberal thoughts of Thomas Jefferson.Would make a lousy delegate to a national political convention.

Schuey2002
January 4, 2003, 03:11 AM
[as I sit in silence.]:uhoh:

NotQuiteSane
January 4, 2003, 03:20 AM
Me.

I lean heavily towards Rational Anarchist, however, I do vote, on the basis that while it may be useless, it's still nessecarry to follow the steps. the cartridge box may be the 4th box of freedom, but that doesn't mean we should be eager to use it

NQS

roscoe
January 4, 2003, 03:48 AM
Unlike most here, I am what they call an old-school liberal libertarian.

Pro-choice, pro-1st amendment (particularly in regards to speech and religion), pro-environment (and anti-development), very pro 4th amendment, I love the diversity of the inner city, and I think anyone should be able to have and carry any gun they see fit.

You would be surprised at how many liberals are for gun ownership, its just that the anti-gun types have framed the argument in their way for too long. But that is coming around I think as the data piles up.

doseyclwn
January 4, 2003, 03:52 AM
Myself, I dunno. My father is a lifelong liberal democrat, but even he's becoming disenfranchised with that party. I looked on both of their websites, and their actual platforms are exactly the same. "Don't vote for (other Party) because they are bad". I think part of the problem being that they too often don't have personal beliefs because they have to fall along party lines. Politically, I"m probably a libertarian with some liberal leanings. It's funny, but it's not liberal ideas that have chased me away from the democratic party; it's the Democrats.

labgrade
January 4, 2003, 04:51 AM
Although a registered republican, & one who works within their ranks to hopefully turn their tide, I am a rational anarchist.

Why, oh why! would anyone need a roadsign to tell them to:

"Resume Safe Speed"?

That, alone, spells out the looming disaster enough for me.

If one cannot grasp that basic law of survival, one doesn't really deserve to live.

Sorry. I didn't make Thesel Rules ...

political affiliations notwithstanding.

WonderNine
January 4, 2003, 05:01 AM
I pretty much think Libertarian, but I have a tendancy to be really hawkish, especially when it comes to non-democratic governments possessing weapons of mass destruction.

That viewpoint of mine may change as well as it seems that it is ever increasingly impossible to prevent dictatorships from owning WOMD.

And I'm a HUGE fan of Thomas Jefferson.

A brilliant man, but he was able to change and challenge his very own deepest beliefs on a whim.

That's one of the reasons why he was so brilliant.

Robert inOregon
January 4, 2003, 05:47 AM
Last Re-poop-lican for governor here in Oregon called people like me anarchist. I kind of like that title. ********* lost the election. :D

Seeker
January 4, 2003, 05:57 AM
I am a libertarian. May be a rational-anarchist, but need more info.

Check out the Constitution Party

Yeah, but the death penalty for drug use?

Constitution party? Death for drug users? Wher, oh where does the Constitution of the US even suggest anything like this?

Hkmp5sd
January 4, 2003, 06:30 AM
Interesting fellow, Leon Trotsky. Too bad Lenin left a power vacuum when he died. He reached out many times to Trotsky and was rebuffed. The result was Stalin.

All three of these guys were the same and all very ruthless with other peoples lives. None of them warrant any respect. Stalin was planning his inheritance long before Lenin died. Lenin created the "dictatorship of the proletarit" and the Cheka. Trotsky and Stalin were both right up there in supporting the arrest, torture, execution and starvation of the citizens. Nothing mattered except staying in power. It was Trotsky's own ego and hunger for power that allowed Stalin to become dictator.

If you believe that the USSR would have succeeded if there had been no Stalin and Trotsky inheriting Lenin's rule, you are greatly mistaken. I would suggest reading The Soviet Tragedy: A History of Socialism in Russia, 1917-1991 by Martin Malia.

bronco61
January 4, 2003, 06:47 AM
Hmmm....... How about: "Anarbertarian"

I think I'll use that from now on.






:banghead: Just put this here cuz I like the toon. Reminds me of trying to talk sense to a "Republican".

Don45cal
January 4, 2003, 06:55 AM
Registered Republican.

I am not fond of the "Party". I am an American and believe in the value's our ancestors layed out for us. No matter who is in office, no matter what BS laws they pass , I am First & Foremost, AMERICAN!!!!!

God Bless America!!!

Justin Moore
January 4, 2003, 08:04 AM
If one cannot grasp that basic law of survival, one doesn't really deserve to live

Brilliant :)

I consider myself a George Mason-ist, ie an anti-federalist. :scrutiny:

2nd Amendment
January 4, 2003, 11:13 AM
Strict Constitutionalist. Vote Republican because there's no other choice. Occasional Anarchist leanings though, I'll admit. Any government beyond the most basic and weakest is too much government.

I note I have yet to see a self-described Leftist without qualification among this thread...

Mastrogiacomo
January 4, 2003, 11:26 AM
Registered to vote the moment I came of age and have voted every time since. Registered Independent and have voted Democrat and Republican -- and not ashamed to say it. Depends on who will give me work and loosen the gun laws. Voted for Mitt Romney for governor as he was for abolishing bilingual eduation which would make job openings for those teachers of English to teach English WITH ENGLISH instead of being at the mercy of bilingual educators who apply and steal our jobs. Unfortunately, he was for banning "assault rifles" as was Democrat Shannon O'Brien. Couldn't win really so I had to go with the job option. I'd LOVE to vote for John McCain if he chooses to run for the Presidency again...:D

GhostShooter
January 4, 2003, 11:37 AM
I'm a pro-gun Democrat!http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/teeth.gif Flame awayhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/jab.gif


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David Scott
January 4, 2003, 11:44 AM
I belong to no political party, considering them all a bunch of influence-peddling associations.

My politics would be considered liberal or libertarian by most folks. I'm a feminist, pro gay rights, pro reproductive rights, anti death penalty, favor legalization of drugs.

Mastrogiacomo
January 4, 2003, 11:47 AM
You know, it always ticks me off the way gun forums sh:cuss: all over people from Massachusetts and group us in one lump sum. I've voted Democrat myself enough to be called one from my parents. Just because you belong to one party or another doesn't mean you believe the way they do all the time. I don't, which is why I chose to be an Independent. However, unlike most people on gun forums, I don't assume folks that are Democrats are all ass:cuss: out to ban guns, just as I don't assume all Republicans are out for the common good. Not only did Jane Swift make my chances of finding work harder, she also made life more difficult for those just barely getting by. There was a picture of her over the holiday ringing a bell for the Salvation Army. A little ironic I thought since it was probably her that brought them so many new customers...:what: Good for you Ghostshooter, gun lovers shouldn't be ashamed of the party they belong to or how they vote. If you own a firearm, you'll probably vote for the best candidate to protect your rights as a gun owner.:D

Silver Bullet
January 4, 2003, 12:35 PM
I'm another mix of small-L libertarian and constitutionalist. I want much less government, especially on the federal level. When you reduce taxes you reduce the government's power.

The problem is voting Lib or other third party knowing that you're taking your vote away from a Repub (or sometimes Dem) who is more pro-gun than his opponent.

4v50 Gary
January 4, 2003, 12:45 PM
I'm actually registered that way. Sounds better than Birthday. I generally vote Liberterian or Republican. The only way I'll vote democrat is if I want the weaker of the two to win (divide et impera) so that when there's a run-off against a Republican, it makes the Republican's task easier.

Gary H
January 4, 2003, 01:16 PM
I've been a Libertarian for years, but recently registered Republican.

I think that some pro-gun Democrats are more John Kennedy Democrats. The reason that many conservatives have problems with gun owning Democrats is the total lack of honesty in the present day Democratic Party. We view active gun owners as a more honest sort. The present Republican Party is in closer agreement with Kennedy (not "I can't swim" Kennedy) than the Democrats. Race bating, class warfare, scaring the elderly, mindless anti-big-business and environmentalism based on pseudo-science have tainted the party. Also, the "if you are for it then I'm against it" approach to issues is getting old. I was a registered Democrat for many years (youth), but the party no longer has moral values. Perhaps I judge based on the leadership. Maybe the new leadership will differ and bye bye Dashle & Jackson Democrats. How about that Al Sharpton. Isn't he the cat's meow. I just might have to become a Democrat again. Have much criticism for the Republicans, but not as biting.

nualle
January 4, 2003, 01:23 PM
When I have shreds of my faith in humanity intact, I'm a mutual-aid anarchist (Kropotkinesque). The rest of the time, I'm just a curmudgeon.

schild
January 4, 2003, 03:12 PM
I find it hard to believe anyone could use the term "pro-gun liberal" or "pro-gun democrat".

BrianW
January 4, 2003, 03:37 PM
Anarcho-capitalist here living as a rational anarchist.

Politicians and government are unnecessary evils.

CyberGOP
January 4, 2003, 03:55 PM
I'm a small l libertarian , but I vote republican unless the candidate is so bad that I cannot stomach doing so .

doseyclwn
January 4, 2003, 04:31 PM
I find it hard to believe anyone could use the term "pro-gun liberal" or "pro-gun democrat".

Nonetheless, they exist. For example, I know a lot of Republicans that are pro-choice. Some people can think for themselves.

doseyclwn
January 4, 2003, 04:31 PM
I find it hard to believe anyone could use the term "pro-gun liberal" or "pro-gun democrat".

Nonetheless, they exist. For example, I know a lot of Republicans that are pro-choice. Some people can think for themselves.

Peter Gun
January 4, 2003, 04:34 PM
I dont affiliate w/ any party if I can help it, but lately I've voted Progressive whenever they run a candidate. Their main plank is campaign finance reform w/ I beleive is the root of all evil in our government. It really pisses me off how many people on this forum support republicans because they are perceived as "pro -gun" even while the BUSH PARTY (face it, he is the republican party now) rips the Bill of Rights to shreds and pushes an obviously bought and paid for agenda.

Baba Louie
January 4, 2003, 04:48 PM
Here in NV, I'm a registered Non-Partisan, so I get to vote for the Best candidate I can find.

It's getting harder and harder to find one.

I like the "None of the Above" candidate. He often is a consideration when standing in the voting booth.

Brought up in a blue-collar Union type family, moved away from home and started ... thinking... it was soooo strange. Little voices in my head would say..."Must vote Demo ticket. Must vote Dem"...

But as my Grandpappy told me, "Baba Louie, the more a man has to conserve, the more conservative that man becomes."

Which shows why we're in the state of affairs we're in today.

Darned few have a whole lot to conserve, more have nothing and want everything to come from those who have it.

There it is.
The Haves. (Some of whom actually deserve what they worked for)
The Have-Nots. (But want it anyway)

And what is Liberty anyway, nowadays? Being left alone to go shooting in the desert suits me to a Tee.

Adios

Gary H
January 4, 2003, 04:51 PM
Peter:

Unfortunately, "Campaign Finance Reform" is a title and does not mean that the actual intent is true reform. Usually, these bills favor the side with the greatest power at the time. If you want to reform politics, do not allow politicians to run. Take the money completely out of the mix.

Thank God that we don't have the Gore party in power at this time.

Civil liberties have always suffered during a time of war. Perhaps Bush, in his quest for Middle Eastern oil and after masterminding 9-11 with the Israelis has devised all of this to narrow our freedom and expand the power of government over the people. I don't see it that way and neither do you. Your message of vigilance is a good one. Every government seeks more power, which means that we have less freedom. This happens with every new law. I guess that Bush has been bought and the Democrats have refused the money from trial lawyers and unions. Just who has bought Bush? I know I haven't. He has made me mad on a number of occasions..ie tariffs and immigration policy. I'm not a religious right sort of person, so I'm not in line there. Who bought Bush? Was it the Chinese again. After all, we have record of them buying Clinton and with good result. I'm fifty-fifty on Bush, but I don't think that he has been bought.

Mastrogiacomo
January 4, 2003, 05:22 PM
I think it's very crediable for people to be liberal Democrats and STILL be pro-gun. What's not so hard to believe is how many NRA card carrying Republicans exist that feel their beliefs are 100% correct, no matter who they have to step on or put down to prove it.

I'm sure somewhere out there is an anti-gun, pro-choice, compassionate for struggling low income America, screw the all ready too rich corporate America type of Republican! :D

GhostShooter
January 4, 2003, 05:39 PM
Not all Democrats are liberal.


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Ian
January 4, 2003, 05:47 PM
I'm a rational (aka, free-market) anarchist. I'm registered to vote as a libertarian, and there's no way I'll ever vite for a Republican or Democrat.

Less government is good, no government is best.

Zander
January 4, 2003, 05:50 PM
I'd LOVE to vote for John McCain if he chooses to run for the Presidency again... -- MastrogiacomoIs that a joke? McCain [R-Manchuria] is no friend of us gunowners.

Wildalaska
January 4, 2003, 06:01 PM
Nonetheless, they exist. For example, I know a lot of Republicans that are pro-choice. Some people can think for themselves.

And this is the way we must fight for our gun rights, open ourselves to all rather than hurling invective at those who do not share our views.

Sodbuster
January 4, 2003, 06:06 PM
If you believe that the USSR would have succeeded if there had been no Stalin and Trotsky
I don't think that for a minute. We're talking the founder of the Red Army (Trotsky), after all. Trotsky is a fascinating individual, even though his theory on international revolution was flawed. I do think history would have been written differently, but written better...? Less pogroms? I'm not saying that. The Narodniks may have had a more sympathetic ear in Trotsky, though.

Malone LaVeigh
January 4, 2003, 06:28 PM
As stated elsewhere, green, civil-libertarian, market social democrat. that's my practical answer for big-scale politics. On the small-scale, I could probably be described as an anarcho-syndacalist. I live in a community (http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/go/nstreet/homepage.html) that features individual choice within households but makes community decisions by consensus.

Breaking it down:

green - small "g" mostly, though I am regisgtered in the Green Party. I don't really get along with the local Greens and disagree with the party platform in the last election re 2nd amendment. Also the party has been hijacked by doctrinaire Leftists. I'm really more of an Ed Abbey redneck environmentalist. I put the word in the label because, for me, the environent is the bottom line. All of the ideologies sound pretty stupid when you're talking about survival of our or other species and the ability of the planet to provide sustainable resources. Left and Right both view the Earth as an inert commodity to exploit for human gratification, instead of as a life-support system. Their main argument is over which is more effective in delivering the goods and to whom. When I get down to the "lesser of evils" stage, this is what decides my vote. Thus, if Nader hadn't been on the ballot last time around, I'd have voted for Gore. In fact, if I had it to do over, I'd move to Florida and vote for Gore.

Also belonging under "green", I'm very anti-war. I'm not 100% pacifist, obviously, but believe war should be used only as a last resort in dire extremity. I'm against the large standing military we have and the militarization of our culture. I favor a citizen militia made up of millions of households with a good rifle or shotgun behind the door.

civil-libertarian - Again, small "l". I'm mostly with libertarians on the issues of individual freedom, but don't see corporations or big businesses as deserving of those rights. I also think the people, through due political processes, have a right to regulate activities by anyone that damages the common good. I would be very restrained in exercising that power, but think there are plenty of cases where "pretty please" and lawsuits would never do the trick.

market - I believe in relatively free markets for delivering consumer goods.

social democrat - Small "s" and "d". I basically favor a mixed economy.

This year, I did vote for a Republican, one of the first I ever voted for. I'd probably vote for Ron Paul, though I doubt if we agree on the environment.

Butch
January 4, 2003, 07:49 PM
No Party, pro gun only criterion for my vote.
US government should only be into national defense, nothing else.

State & local should do everything else!!!!

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Joe Demko
January 4, 2003, 08:03 PM
I'm in favor of an old fashioned, cult-of-personality, rule by whim of the moment dictatorship. One with myself as the despot in question. Until we achieve that ideal situation, a minimalist government based on the US Constitution will serve.
Anybody who claims he can see any real difference between the Democrats and Republicans should strongly favor legalization of all narcotics, as he is already doing some very potent stuff.

Gray Peterson
January 4, 2003, 09:19 PM
On many issues, I'm not typical.

Environmentalism: I'm a strict believer in private property rights. Though I do not support state control of the "environment", I believe that if the stuff you're dumping devalues my property and pollutes it, you deserve to get sued, and if neccesary, stopped from doing so, in civil court.

Gun Control: Non starter. Vermont style carry across the nation, limited laws on the state level.

Abortion: If we didn't have so many idiots out there who think saran wrap is a proper condom, this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is. :rolleyes: That being said, it's hard to have an opinion in terms of personal feeling when my only method of reproduction available to me would have to be surrogacy (which is fully legal in Oregon, btw).

Establishment Clause: Though many would disagree with me, the issue of the posting of the ten commandments in schools, in courthouses, the "Under god" controversy that occured last year. Both sides of the issue is pretty extreme and have done much to damage many's way of life. Students are being told that they can't even possess a bible on school grounds in certain areas of the country, and so on, is unacceptable. The other extreme given is that "America is a christian nation and therefor deserves an exception to the establishment clause", which is also unacceptable.

Gay rights: See the sig.

I ain't no Republican conservative, and I sure as hell ain't no Democrat socialist liberal, either.

Glock Glockler
January 4, 2003, 09:29 PM
I don't really know where I fit. For example, I'm neither homosexual nor do I take any illegal drugs, in fact, I think homosexuality is immoral and disgusting (an exemption being a pack of Norwegian lesbians who feed me grapes and teach me to sing) and I also think the same of drug abuse and misuse, but I don't advocate the infringement of any adult's right to partake in such activities.

I might think that something is wrong, in that respect I'm conservative, but I'm an an ardent libertarian concerning the legality of that activity.

doseyclwn
January 4, 2003, 11:23 PM
For example, I'm neither homosexual nor do I take any illegal drugs, in fact, I think homosexuality is immoral and disgusting (an exemption being a pack of Norwegian lesbians who feed me grapes and teach me to sing) and I also think the same of drug abuse and misuse, but I don't advocate the infringement of any adult's right to partake in such activities.

I like Norwegian Lesbians as well.


Sorry, I had to.

And I don't take illegal drugs either, but I used to (been clean 7.5 years).

QKRTHNU
January 5, 2003, 01:20 AM
Independant libertarian.

Probally more of a anarchist at heart, but everyone knows that's a pipe dream. :D

Blackhawk
January 5, 2003, 01:34 AM
I defy being pigeonholed. Pigeon mites make me itch....

Byron Quick
January 5, 2003, 03:42 AM
rational anarchist. I really can't tell much difference between liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans.

chaim
January 5, 2003, 04:32 AM
Still a conservative Democrat, and I'll probably stay with that for a little while longer. I thought about changing but couldn't figure out what to change to. I have just as many problems with the Republican and Libertarian parties as I do the Democratic party so if I change I'll be just as much a misfit. If I change to "independent" I would no longer be able to vote in any primaries. Once someone on TFL said I should become a member of the Constitutional party but looking at much of their platform makes me shudder. So unless I move to a state that allows independents to vote in one of the primaries or I become more Libertarian or Republican I'll remain a conservative Democrat on paper and independent in reality.

Wildalaska
January 5, 2003, 05:31 AM
I'm in favor of an old fashioned, cult-of-personality, rule by whim of the moment dictatorship. One with myself as the despot in question.

I think perhaps you should include a few more people so we could have not just despotship, but a backward looking oligarchy....

Khornet
January 5, 2003, 10:49 AM
Where are you?

As for the unfairness of labeling Dems anti-gun, it didn't come out of thin air and wasn't invented by the Repubs. Their track record speaks for itself, and though 'conservative' and 'pro-gun' Dems exist ( vide Zell Miller, God bless him), they are very much the exception which proves the rule. It takes a willful denial of reality to claim that the anti-gun reputation of the Dems is a Repub fabrication.

That's not to deny that there are plenty of anti-gun, socialistic, pro-abortion Repubs. They're called RINOs.

Your party affiliation is your call, your right, and none of my business. Just don't try to tell me that Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and Diane Feinstein don't represent the Dems.

That said, I come here to talk guns and gun rights with like-minded friends of whatever other political views, and I'd hate to see another political pi**ing contest. Let's talk about shooting.

Glock Glockler
January 5, 2003, 11:34 AM
http://wyldone.proboards4.com/index.cgi

She's doin' her thing at her website. Drop her an email and invite her over with a link to this thread and I'm sure she'll drop by:)

NIGHTWATCH
January 5, 2003, 12:44 PM
Sleeper Cell Conservative. :D

Gary Hillard
January 5, 2003, 01:34 PM
Only the interesting ones. Gary

Chris Rhines
January 5, 2003, 02:46 PM
I'm a long-haired, wild-eyed, bomb-tossing, gold-plated anarchist.

Well, I don't actually toss bombs, not anymore. And my hair isn't particularly long. But the description helps get the point across... :D

There's no government like no government!

- Chris

Marshall
January 5, 2003, 03:26 PM
Republican to the bone!
Saying that I would never vote for any Liberal or Closet Liberal (easily spotted) would be redundant so, I won't. ;)

clem
January 5, 2003, 10:47 PM
"My grandmother's brain was dead, but her heart was still beating. It was the first time we ever had a Democrat in the family."

Emo Phillips



Sorry, I'm a bad man, I just couldn't help myself!

grampster
January 5, 2003, 11:13 PM
What Emo said!

Malone LaVeigh
January 6, 2003, 02:35 AM
I suppose once her heart stopped, she qualified as a Republican... :D

V-fib
January 6, 2003, 03:19 AM
Fiercely independent

DFBonnett
January 6, 2003, 10:51 AM
Libertarian

TearsOfRage
January 7, 2003, 05:42 PM
None of the above.

I used to call myself libertarian, but I kept seeing articles saying libertarians must be for this and against that... most of which is wildly impractical. I judge each issue separately for the most part, and I accept that you have to make compromises to practicality.

I like the sound of "minarchist", but I'll probably find that someone has defined that too specificly as well.

80fl
January 7, 2003, 05:53 PM
Constitutionalist who votes (or did through this cycle, we'll have to wait and see what dub does) Republican, and thinks quite Libertarian. I'm so confused.:D

pax
January 7, 2003, 06:19 PM
It really depends upon which day you ask me, whether I believe government is a necessary evil, or just an evil.

After this last election I decided I would never again throw away my vote on a Republican.

pax

The two major political parties can be summed up this way: There are two parties, one is the Stupid Party and the other is the Evil Party. Occasionally these two parties create legislation that is both stupid and evil. This is called bi-partisianship. -- Andrew Grooms

Justin
January 7, 2003, 06:50 PM
I'm a long-haired, wild-eyed, bomb-tossing, gold-plated anarchist.

Well, I don't actually toss bombs, not anymore. And my hair isn't particularly long. But the description helps get the point across...


Ya ain't gold-plated, neither.

Pawcatch
January 7, 2003, 09:44 PM
I consider myself a conserative,but I support an open border and I given money to several latino foundations.

Steel
January 8, 2003, 12:01 AM
Romulan

funbob
January 8, 2003, 12:42 AM
Registered democrat here. That being said, I vote my conscience. Vote for the person, not for the party.

gburner
January 8, 2003, 12:57 AM
I won't be boxed...

The least amount of governmental interference in our lives, the better.

The government has no business...
In the war on drugs.
In choices concerning reproductive issues.
In the regulation of any of the so called vices.
In madating quotas, minimums or set asides in job availabilty.
In taxing people for services they don't use.
In the general redistribution of wealth.
In establishing and enforcing laws not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

The business of government is to treat with other nations and to defend our borders from those who wish to enter illegally and/or do us harm.

labgrade
January 8, 2003, 01:47 AM
Just fer grins, grab a copy of The Moon is A Harsh Mistress/RH & take a look at Prof. La Paz' (the name IIRC) definition of rational anarchism (part of a discussion).

Fits plenty well for me & allows me to be "slippery" any time I want. ;)

" .... won't be boxed" works plenty good.

Although I believe some basics rules/social lubrication are necessary, I do shake my head at the extremes we go to make sure we're suitably oiled.

ezoeni
January 8, 2003, 01:51 AM
I choose to live outside of the matrix :cool:

ArmsAkimber
January 8, 2003, 08:58 AM
Somewhere between Libertarian For Life (http://l4l.org) and Constitution Party (http://www.constitutionparty.com/) for me.

For me, "reproductive choice" is about choosing whether or not to fertilize, not whether or not to kill an innocent human being. In the sad case of rape, the unborn child is still innocent. If the mother's life in endangered, of course, she may choose to defend herself by killing her unborn child.

Speaking as a former "unwanted child."

ReadyontheRight
January 8, 2003, 01:32 PM
I claim to be a staunch Conservative, that is to say that the less government interference in my daily life, the better.

Exactly. I’m pro-Bill of Rights and pro-do what you like as long as it doesn’t harm anyone. I’m also pro-free market capitalism, so that makes me a “right-winger”, but I’m certainly not a Republican sheep, and I really dislike a lot of the anti-gay, racist stances of the Religious Right.

As others above have said, I agree with Libertarian/Constitution ideals but I vote Republican so my vote counts. I donate and work for candidates I like but I won't give $$$ to the Republican Party.

The federal government exists to protect us from the British (or whoever else wants to invade our shores), enforce the Bill of Rights and to establish contract law so we can have business dealings between states. Contract law should include environmentalism to the point that if you pollute and ruin my property/air/water, you will pay. NOT environmentalism that allows the EPA and a bunch of lawyers to trample all over the Constitution.
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Rant Mode Engaged:

Just in this thread, we've come up with Libertarian, Constitution, America First, Rational Anarchist, Independent, Progressive, Kropotkinesque, etc. that match my views to some degree. The problem is, the Democrats have created a “big tent” with party platforms that appeal to a lot of folks. Do you ever notice that Democrats never really do anything to solve problems once they are in office? All they do is spend money and stomp on the Bill of Rights to get re-elected. Now they are even pulling back from gun control because it "doesn't play", not because they believe in the Constitution. Nancy Pelosi’s stated goal as minority leader is to become majority leader – meaning gain and retain power using whatever means necessary. If they actually DID something (reduce poverty, reduce crime, etc.), we wouldn’t need them anymore – and they would necessarily pi** off someone in their “big tent”. The parties mentioned above will never get big because they actually believe in something more than “give me your tax money”. To make their tent bigger, they would have to compromise their strong beliefs. The Republican Party with all its faults is our only hope at a big tent, and our only hope against the Dems. The Republicans aren’t the entire answer by a long shot, but at least once in a while they actually do something to protect our shores, shrink government programs and reduce taxes.
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Rant Mode Disengaged (but still locked and loaded -- sheesh, I sure have diarrhea of the keyboard lately).

I’ll stick with Republican candidates. I’ll even try to change the party, but I’ll certainly support a viable alternative. Don’t see one yet though.





BTW - Does anyone know the Bull Moose Party's stance on Norwegian Lesbians? :evil:

Chris Rhines
January 8, 2003, 02:03 PM
Ya ain't gold-plated, neither. Only on weekends. :D

- Chris

Russ
January 8, 2003, 04:43 PM
I am a hard core Conservative Republican born and raised in the belly of the beast, **********. The DemocRATS have devasted gun rights in that state over the last 4 years like you can't believe. If you vote for a Dem out there and in other States like MA, NJ MD, you obviouly don't care about gun rights.

Gary Hillard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see you made it over. I was afraid you bagged it after TFL went down. Now in your State of Vermont, you have 1 Dem Senator, One Independent (Dem) Senator and an admitted socialist (Bernie Sanders) for a US Rep. Apparently, the Dems elected to State Government are quite enlightened there since you have almost no gun restrictions. That amazes me. Please, tell your friends to quit sending those anti-gun Senators and old Bernie to Washington! Please?

Russ

nualle
January 8, 2003, 05:12 PM
have to wait and see what dub does
:confused: His administration hasn't done enough yet to tell?

feedthehogs
January 8, 2003, 06:21 PM
In my travels over the years I have met pro-second amendment people from all states, parties and backgrounds.

A vote is never wasted. If you don't like who is running for office, get together and run your own candidates.
We did that down here in S. Florida this last election with some success. We start at the local level and work up.

If you follow the constitution, you can neither be right or left.

spartacus2002
January 8, 2003, 10:46 PM
I don't vote; it just encourages them.:D

Guy B. Meredith
January 9, 2003, 03:08 AM
I'm a registered non-partisan. Can't handle the full bill of goods from any party. Republicans would sell their mother for the right price, the Democrats want society to carry the cross of the transgressions of the few.

I pick the pieces of each that agree with my personal pholosophy of practicing courtesy, consideration and responsibility for my own actions.

One of our friends is a knee jerk screaming liberal and sent a rant article about the new head of the FDA. Don't know for sure whether she was complaining about his not wanting to give contraceptives to unwed women or his advice that women should get throgh their problems with prayer.

If the former, my immediate reaction was that the trollops should keep their panties on and tell their boyfriends to pound sand rather than ask me to pay for their sexual adventures. If the latter, I would be against forcing religion on others.

On the other hand I think the argument against stem cell research is self serving bu!!$X!t.

And then on the third hand again firearms are a personal responsibility and everyone needs to back off.

Hmmm... Wonder if I've offended enough people yet.

DaveB
January 9, 2003, 11:16 AM
Hmmm... Wonder if I've offended enough people yet.

No. Keep going.

db

enichols
January 9, 2003, 11:26 AM
I'm a libertarian bordering on rational anarchist.

AmericanFreeBird
January 9, 2003, 11:46 AM
Registered Democrat, Libertairian, vote for Libertarian or Republican.

Definately a member of the vast, right wing, conspiracy!

Sam1380
January 9, 2003, 05:13 PM
I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat! --Will Rodgers

hso
January 10, 2003, 10:12 AM
No

cratz2
January 10, 2003, 04:59 PM
According to the test, I'm more of a Libritarian than anything else but I think those tests are slanted. But have many more Republican leanings than Democratic. I think 99% are full of poop, pardon my language, and cast their votes on the basis of what will benefit either corporations in which they are invested or companies/organizations which pay them.

Trisha
January 10, 2003, 07:32 PM
I don't think there's a Party that fits my priorities: (not in any order)

Pro-Choice
Pro-Environment
Constitutionalist (dismantle 2/3rds of existent government, withdraw from NATO, abolish public education, rescind all Presidential Executive Orders and the powers associated therein; and at most, an individual 5% Income Tax (flat tax)


Trisha

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