Bushmaster Bullpup M17S info needed!!!


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badman400
May 17, 2006, 11:28 PM
I want to find out more about the Bushmaster Bullpup. Please if anyone owns, or has owned one, I would appreciate your impressions, advice. I have read some good things about the M17S, including that it was designed to run cleaner than the AR-15. But, what about accuracy, barrel overheating, any problems? What's the best price for one these days? Let's have opinions from those who have actually owned/shot the M17S. Thanks for any help you guys can give in helping me to decide about the M17S! :cool:

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Third_Rail
May 18, 2006, 12:22 AM
I believe it is no longer in production, unfortunately.

Jim Watson
May 18, 2006, 12:26 AM
Dropped so they can concentrate on AR15s. Secondary market prices, whatever you can find one for.

The M17S started out as the IBIS, an Australian design of bullpup configuration but with gas piston and bolt pretty much like AR18. I saw them when introduced in the early 90s but have not shot one or known anybody who did.

blackwinch
May 18, 2006, 12:30 AM
I had one and got rid of it... I know it is neat but as far as being the rifle to get if you want a 223 autoloader I think your money would be better spent on any of the high quality ARs or even a Mini 14. The AR is infinitely more capable, dependable and easy to find parts for. The M17 has a funky trigger with a long trigger bar that is about 14" long and can be the cause of all kinds of undependable behavior...Not fun at the range.

ALS
May 18, 2006, 12:21 PM
I have one and have to agree with Blackwinch's opinion of the gun. I bought mine because it was different looking. Am I interested in selling it? No.
It's a fun gun to shoot if you want attention at the range and that is about the only positive thing about it. My AR's are just as accurate and easier to shoot than the M17S. It has it's own quirk's that can be very annoying at the most inopportune time. Like when the C-clips holding the bolt return springs in place decide to pop off just for the heck of it.:banghead:
BTW, I finally got fed up enough, that I took a Dremal cutting wheel to the gun and fixed that problem.

Domino
May 18, 2006, 01:00 PM
I've had my Bushmaster M17s for about 2 years and I wouldn't dream of selling it. Its an interesting design and it has its merits, although if intended to be an all-around carbine it may lack some useful features depending on what your criteria is.

I believe that the M17s, along with just about any other .223 bullpup (aside from the L85) are going to be better suited for Close Quarters Combat than say a full sized rifle or a shorty M4 type. Reasons for this include shorter overall length increase mobility, greater potential lethality and accuracy, and faster target aquisition (with proper optics) than a full-sized rifle. But, as a standard issue weapon, I wouldn't think it to be ideal.

Domino's Quick Review of the M17s

Accuracy:

The weapon is inherently accurate, although this can be difficult to prove due to a somewhat clumsy trigger. However, with a little Moly slide and a little bit tweeking I would compare my trigger to that of a stock Glock pistol. It is consistant and predictable which is all you need in a fighting rifle. My rifle is easily capable of 1 MOA accuracy with virtually all ammunition I have used. The smallest groups I have made are in the .5 MOA range. I would recommend some sort of red dot sight becuase getting the appropiate eye relief and be difficult with certain scopes, and the pistol sights under the carry handle are only last resort 25 meter open sights.

Reliablity:

I have yet to throw mine in the mud but, in normal operating conditions the weapon is 100% reliable with somewhere over 3,000 rounds fired. The weapon is easily to clean and field strip, it also claims to have a self-cleaning gas syustem. To test this I field stripped my rifle after about 1,000 rounds and inspected the gas system for myself. It looked cleaner than my AK does after 100 rounds, and this is with using Wolf and Barnaul ammunition which has a reputation for bieng dirtier than U.S. production ammo.

Handling and Controls:

The M17s can be a bit cumbersome to those who are used to conventional designs. The weapon is also too heavy for its caliber, if it were 2 pounds lighter it would be ideal. The controls are virtually identical to an M-16 just located in a different place. I have become pretty profeciant with mine, which proves to me that it just takes practice to get the hang of it. Anything from reloading, operating the action, turning the safety on and off, and firing the weapon are VERY natural once you practice with it. I think the weapon is very quick to operate.

As far as the barrel overheating, I wouldn't worry about it. However, after blasting 2 30 round magazines through it the front of the rifle gets pretty warm. You can install a vertical foreward grip or just keep both hands at the pistol grip since the weapon is balanced over that point.

Overall, its a good design but not a perfect one. I would not pay over $700 for one unless you really want one. If you have the cash, maybe you should look into the FN 2000...

http://www.impactguns.com/store/FN-FS2000.html

M17s Links...

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/april.htm

http://www.gun-tests.com/pub/16_7/features/5176-1.html

http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/page/page/42606.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/M17S/

M1911
May 18, 2006, 01:14 PM
Main impressions: it's heavy and the trigger sucks.

Harry Tuttle
May 18, 2006, 07:07 PM
http://www.jtk3.com/laissezfirearm/bushm17s.htm

blackwinch
May 18, 2006, 11:58 PM
Like ALS I had problems with the return springs, the trigger bar would made for a poor trigger pull... and mind you I only shot maybe 100 rnds through it and at the range it developed this nasty habit of doubling and tripling firing from a bench...nice if you want to raise eyebrows...not nice if you just want a handy rifle that you can use for a walk around woodchuck gun. I did keep the really unique scope that I bought with the rifle from Bushmaster, a Beeman airgun scope that Bushmaster used to sell...great scope...
Save your money and get an AR...

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