Disappointed (big time)


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edggy
May 18, 2006, 11:42 AM
My Walker revolver finally had come in. I was like a little kid getting a Christmas present. Well the sky fell, when I couldn't cock it or turn the
cylinder. I couldnt even think straight so I had someone drive me to the UPS
place to return it. Once again Iam waiting for a replacement. Iam feeling
better as I write this. Any similar experiences

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Steve499
May 18, 2006, 12:31 PM
Who made it?

Steve

Tight_Wad
May 18, 2006, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I had a perfectly good Euroarms Rogers & Spencer .44 revolver that worked fine but I decided to trade up - or so I thought. I bought the $1000 Pedersoli Match version but it came with an incorrectly indexed barrel which canted the front sight over and sent the shot well off the paper to the left. And it came with a bent trigger bolt screw too. The faults were put right by the seller but these things can happen on all guns of all makes no matter how much you pay. It's very disheartening but persevere and you'll get there in the end.
The Pedersoli now shoots better than I can aim it!

Tight Wad :cuss:

edggy
May 18, 2006, 01:48 PM
Steve, It was a Uberti I bought it from Midway.

Old Fuff
May 18, 2006, 03:03 PM
edggy:

I understand your disapointment, but the problem might have simply been that the barrel wedge was driven in too far, causing the barrel to bind the cylinder. Otherwise it's likely that the hammer isn't picking up the cylinder bolt and unlocking the cylinder so that it can turn, which also freezes the hammer. Both of these problems are easy to fix, and well known to regular black powder revolver shooters. Anyway, I'm sure Midway will replace it, and I hope you have better luck next time. But expect the internal lockwork to be packed with shipping grease. They wipe off the outside sometimes, but do nothing about the insides.

edggy
May 18, 2006, 03:38 PM
the cylinder was hitting the bottom of the frame.

sundance44s
May 18, 2006, 03:41 PM
This is why i always say a new B/P shooter would be better off ( if he or she has the bucks ) make the first one a Ruger ... the Italian models will make a gun smith out of ya quick ! or send ya over the edge ..and take up roller skateing . Hope i live long enough to see an American co . make a 1858 Remington copy .. i`d eat beans to get one !

edggy
May 18, 2006, 03:51 PM
Yes) If my replacement is anything like the first one Yes I will get my money back and save up for a ruger that I hear so much about. ( But darn it. I sure like the looks of a Walker)

Smokin_Gun
May 18, 2006, 06:15 PM
Was probly one that was made on a bad day... Haven't heard of too many people gettin a bad Walker, but as I can see it happens. Midway will take care of you and if you talk to the order desk ask them to hand check it. It can't hurt. I bet the next one you get will be a keeper. All that bad day stuff will vanish. Good luck...

sundance44s
May 18, 2006, 06:25 PM
Thats true ..after the first shot .. you`ll have a smile a mile long . :D

Gewehr98
May 18, 2006, 11:11 PM
This is why i always say a new B/P shooter would be better off ( if he or she has the bucks ) make the first one a Ruger ...

How long has Ruger been making Colt Walker replicas?

I'd buy a Ruger Old Army, too, if I was looking for a Ruger. But I'm partial to my '58 Remington .44, and will have a Walker or Dragoon someday. The Ruger is nice, but doesn't quite fit in the scheme of things when one's got their heart set on an old Colt BP revolver replica, sans topstrap and all... ;)

gmatov
May 19, 2006, 03:33 AM
Gewehr,

How long has Ruger been making ANYTHING that looks like an authentic Colt or Rem BP revolver. They are super strong. They just DO NOT look good to me.

I prefer the Colts, like immensely the Rems, do NOT like the look of the Ruger, no matter if I could outdo a full bore 44 mag with it. Still not anything like a real BP revolver, or pistol, if I screwed up by calling it a revolver. It is a revolving pistol.

Think I am with you on this subject. The Ruger is not a BP replica, it is an attempt to outdo the BP repros, but an ugly attempt.

Still say I would not have one, just for aesthetics.

Cheers,

George

Duncaninfrance
May 19, 2006, 03:53 AM
I think that you should treat guns like wine ( expert talk - wine not guns!). You have to try before you buy :evil: You shouldn't buy a bottle just because it has a fancy label, you need to know if the liquid is worth the money :rolleyes: and to your taste!
Same with a gun. What looks awkward in the box might just be the mutznutz for you to shoot. Sure, look at books and ask questions but get your sticky little hands on as many as you can and see what they feel like. Check out a local club perhaps and see if you can fire a few - who knows, you might surprise yourself!!
I would think that BP shooters are as friendly in the flesh as they are on this forum.
Duncan

Low Key
May 19, 2006, 05:15 AM
You can get a dud with any manufacturer, but from what I've heard most companies will exchange a dud for another gun to satisfy the customer...cabela's has excellenct customer service. I've got three pietta 58 Remingtons and they are all good ones. I've smoothed the actions on them and none of them needed any major gunsmithing to make them fine weapons. Most of my tinkering has actually been in customizing my guns to my liking and not fixing function problems. Maybe the pietta's were worse before 1999, but they got some new machinery and made major improvements to the overall quality of their products. I'd like to aquire a Ruger Old Army at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 58's I have so maybe next year I'll get the ROA.

Boom-stick
May 19, 2006, 06:27 AM
I disagree with Duncan, I always buy my wine buy what the bottle or label looks like:)

Duncaninfrance
May 19, 2006, 07:09 AM
Good job too BS, someone has to buy the rubbish :evil: :evil: Anyway, we don't let the good stuff out very often - save it all for ourselves :D :D :D And we don't pay silly prices for it either - that's reserved for Black Powder!
Duncan

RecoilRob
May 19, 2006, 09:19 PM
Considering the weight of the Walker and the cavalier manner that the UPS folks throw the packages around, it is NOT a surprise that the wedge may have been driven in harder than when it left the factory.

My Dragoons suffered the same treatment and would not turn when removed from the boxes. They were not damaged in any way but too tight.

Breaking them down, cleaning and re-assembling found them good to go. They have VERY tight wedge tolerances and can only barely have the wedges in far enough to have the lock tab protrude from the barrel.

This is good for long term wear and tear but could easily cause a return from someone who is new to the Colt BP revolvers and doesn't get the big picture.

Please, when your new Walker arrives.....take it down and clean it BEFORE doing anything else. Put it together gently and only drive the wedge in as far as the cylinder will turn. It won't be very far on a brand new gun.

edggy
May 19, 2006, 09:36 PM
ThankYou Recoil Rob, Ive never had a Blackpowder Revolver and wanted
one and Ive always like the walker. I guess to much old movies. I only wish
the man I talked to would have told me the same thing.

Old Fuff
May 20, 2006, 01:31 AM
edggy:

While you are waiting for your replacement revolver to arrive, use this forum's search feature and the key words "black powder" and "colt" to find past threads on your favorite cap & ball blaster. These will provide you with a lot of free education and knowledge. Also try the key word "walker."

gmatov
May 20, 2006, 02:49 AM
Duncan,

I might be heretical, but I buy my wine in the 5 litre cardboard carton, with the mylar bag inside. I know it can't be as good as the stuff with the punt bottom to the bottle, and a bottle so hard a smack with a ball pien hammer won't break it, but I can't really tell the difference.

I don't have dead taste buds, just that some wines appeal to me, some don't. I like a good (to me ) Burgundy. I even like a good Merlot. I can, and do, drink some whites and some Roses. I don't like a sweet wine as much as one that has some bite to it.

I like where some have bought 1800's wines, for fantastic sums, and don't know till they open it whether they have bought a superb elixir or an old bottle of vinegar.

Do they use sulfites routinely, over there, either to clean the bottles or to prevent the wine from going bad in the bottle? Would seem it also keeps the wine from improving with age. Kills it, ie.

Jeez, the original poster, the Walker buyer, I hope he knows the Walker's wedge is reversed from all the others. You gotta push it out left to right, not like the rest that are right to left, looking down.

Cheers,

George

Duncaninfrance
May 20, 2006, 09:45 AM
Well lets put it like this George, if you like it - drink it - enjoy it, but don't complain about a bad head in the morning. I was out last night at a French meal to celibrate the end of term for the local adult education courses. Finished eating at about 1 am! This morning I am wearing a lead beret as the locals say ( hangover )
As to the use of sulpher in winemaking, yes it is normally added while the wine is in the tanks, before it is either bottled or put into casks to age. They use the absolute minimum to stop primary fermentation bugs but it does not stop the wine from developing. Wine needs to breath to improve hence the use of corks. If you use screw caps or foil bags in boxes then that developement is stopped. No point in saving it so enjoy it instead.
I opened a bottle of Minervois last week that has been in the wine store for 3 years. It was BEAUTIFUL! The first bottle of this wine we opened just after we bought it and it was very bland so this proves the point - it improves with age. Secret is knowing how long to lay it down for! Thei cost us about $2.95 a bottle.
As Keith Ffloyd says, " If it's not good enough to drink, it's not good enough to cook with!"
Duncan

MCgunner
May 20, 2006, 10:02 AM
I don't drink much wine. I like beer. Must be my hun heritage. Guess that's why I have such poor tastes in BP revolvers, what with the Ruger and all. LOL I had a Colt Navy replica and never warmed to the topless look. That topless look with that octagon barrel just never did warm to me. I much prefer Remmies for replicas and I like a gun that works. Remmie tend to shoot better and have almost real sights. I want to get a Remmie to play with. They look like a lotta fun. I have one spotted to cull from the herd at Cabelas, just waiting on the money, the ever present quest.

Guns, especially black powder, are subject to individual preferences, though. Of all the Colts, the rounded barreled '60s/dragoons are my favorite. I like to be able to have an actual USE for my firearms over and above range duty, though. The Ruger is impossible to beat as a shooter and field gun. It packs an almost Walker like punch (gonna get my cylinders bored out) and yet shoots as accurate as a modern cartridge gun. It's built STOUT! It ain't gonna break or wear if you take care of it. UPS could drop it off a ten story building and the Ruger would just keep on keepin' on. It's built on a superblackhawk like frame, could take many times the pressure any black powder or substitute can dish out and it'll just laugh it off. You could build a .44 mag on that frame and it'd be no problem. After stretching that old Navy's brass (I was a broke student and it was cheap) frame into non-compliance, I appreciate a strong revolver. That Ruger is gonna ride on my hip for backup while hog hunting soon as I can get up to east Texas. I wanna get the work done to it first, though. When I get the Remmie, it'll likely be a range queen. But, heck, it's BP! I was kinda thinkin' about getting a cartridge conversion cylinder for it in the future if I like it as a shooter. That could give it some uses it wouldn't otherwise have as a field gun. But, heck, I have a stainless .45 colt blackhawk that puts 'em in under 4moa. I shoot .44 mag level handloads out of that thing. My light load puts a 255 grain cast flat point out the barrel at 950 or so FPS. Why would I wanna tote a Remmie that ain't no more totable? It might be a little more totable than that big ol' Ruger, but in black powder hunting for hogs, I think I'd rather have the power and accuracy of the Ruger, thanks. If I slap a big hog with that Hawkin .50 and it don't slow him down, I have more faith in the Ruger than any other BP revolver on the market. I'd carry my .45 colt blackhawk if it was legal at that particular WMA (Texas public hunting, BP only rules there). But, I like the looks and feel of Remmies and as a range shooter, it should be fun and it's not expensive. I've always wanted a Remmie, anyway.

I might be a little too practical to be a true black powder aficionado, but hey, I've been shootin' cap an ball for a LONG time, over a quarter century now.

sundance44s
May 20, 2006, 06:07 PM
Nothing like a bottle of ripple with a splash of moose milk added for that hard to please taste bud . :D

edggy
May 25, 2006, 07:13 PM
The ups man just brought my new replacement. And its not only Beautiful its flawless.The action is smooth and everything lines up perfect. I'am so very happy with this one. And wouldn't you know it. Now I'am focusing on a drop in cylinder
to go with it. Thank You

Smokin_Gun
May 25, 2006, 07:24 PM
Congrads Edggy it's always good to see another happy Hog Leg owner...can't wait to hear your range report.

edggy
May 25, 2006, 07:46 PM
Thank You Smokin Gun I havent stop looking at it. I did bust my knuckles on
the table pulling the barrel off to slip the cylinder out. Boy it was on there
tight.

dwave
May 25, 2006, 07:52 PM
Yeah, my Colt 51 Navy was the same way, they had that pin in tight. Enjoy your new gun and tell us how it does.

edggy
May 25, 2006, 08:12 PM
Thank You dwave, They tell you to use the loading Lever to help pull the revolver apart. I push until I was blue.I finally got a plastic mallet and WD40
and started tapping the cylinder and off it came with my knuckles. And yes I
was no longer using the loading lever and pulling the barrel when I hit my knuckles (ran out of patients) my fault.

Tinker2
May 25, 2006, 08:20 PM
Edggy

Tell me, please, how you to use the loading Lever for leverage?




Thanks

Tinker2

edggy
May 25, 2006, 08:34 PM
No) I Didnt word it right. The instructions just tell you to use it to help pull
the revolver apart.

dwave
May 25, 2006, 08:38 PM
Yeah it helps to get the barrel off. Sometimes after shooting the barrel won't come off after you remove the wedge, so you use the loading lever to pop it off by putting the cylinder to where the plunger will hit on a wall instead of going down in a chamber and then push the loading lever down and the barrel will come off without alot of trouble.

edggy
May 25, 2006, 09:07 PM
dwave what do you use to lubricate the base pin.

dwave
May 25, 2006, 10:04 PM
I lube the base pin and the back of the cylinder with bore butter because I think that it works better than crisco, but I use the crisco over the chambers because it is cheaper to shoot up. Before I shoot, I wipe out my cylinders of all oil and the barrel too. I also wipe down the frame too, then put the bore butter on the base pin and the back of the cylinder because it does rub on the frame.

pohill
May 26, 2006, 01:01 AM
Be prepared for at least two things to go wrong with the Walker: the loading lever will fall on every shot, and spent caps will fall into the innards. Oh yeah - mine sets off car alarms in the parkinglot.
As far as the Colt/Remington/Ruger comparisons - I traded a beautiful Remington NMA (Uberti) to Smoking Gun for a Colt Paterson. That Remington was (is) a great shooter, accurate, easy to clean, etc, but there's something about a Colt, even the ugly duckling Paterson. Recently I almost bought a used Ruger...almost... but I bought a Colt Colt 1861 .36 Navy (Signature Series). It's a looker and a shooter. I have a Spiller & Burr .36, which is basically a pre-Remington, and someday I will get that Ruger, but I guts the Colt fever.

pohill
May 26, 2006, 02:36 AM
Oh yeah, Edggy, forgot to mention - be careful when removing the Walker mainspring. I bought a main spring vise from Track of the Wolf that works pretty well, or you can use a small pair of visegrips with a piece of leather, but that spring really has some SPRING to it. Watch your eyes and the light hanging over the kitchen table. CLANG!!!

Smokin_Gun
May 26, 2006, 02:49 AM
I must say that Sophia R. Uberti (1858Rem) Sure is a good looker and a fine shooter. I am Glad we got the chance to get what we had to have...HeHe!
Actually that one is a favored and pretty much loaded all the time Rev. I got a Lee .457" 2cav. mold locally gonna try some out tomorrow. Cyn and I got another Range date/picinic. I'm gonna try to make it a Colt day, but Sophia will be commin' along too. the .457" fit very well..I had tried some .457 sedged last time I was out and they shot well. The Colt Dragoon likes the ..457's as it has .450" chambers. Got that 1851 Uberti Navy's cones turned down just right...CCI#11's fire and fall off about as fast as I can cock it and pull the trigger...(that's empty) Will see what it does with 24gr of FFFg BP...
Range report tomorrow.
Catch ya,

edggy
May 26, 2006, 07:16 AM
pohill, I'am thinking of buying a standing tripod from Cabela's for mine.
this revolver is super heavy there's no way anyone can shoot free hand for a
extended period. I know some of the other shooters will be s******ing at me
but I don't care (why) I have the Walker they do not. Anyway (track of the wolf) is that a web site or a store.

mec
May 26, 2006, 07:43 AM
My Walker and Dragoon are the smoothest functioning of my replicas. It never is surprising though when a lemon shows up. Your chances of getting a good one the firest time with Uberti are fairly high but it's always a crap shoot. I find that the pocket models- both 31 and 36 usually require a fair amount of tuning and opening up of clearances. the most troublesome one I've gotten recently is a levered Paterson that had multiple clearance issues that interfered with function.

pohill
May 26, 2006, 08:07 AM
Edggy, Trackofthewolf.com is one of several websites that sells black powder "stuff." I've had good luck them them, also with Midway, VTI, Dixie Gunworks, Traditions and Taylors. I bought an 1862 .36 Pocket Police (Uberti) from Midway, and it went on sale a week later - Midway credited me the difference (about $62.00). As far as shooting the Walker - my 1862 .36 has, relatively speaking, as much kick as the Walker. A gun that big absorbs recoil. I use 45 grains of black powder (some use more...some use alot more) with .454 roundballs. Shoot it as late in the day as you can to see the "flame show" from its muzzle. Try it without the tripod - you'll like it. Keep track of each spent cap - they like to fall into the hammer chasm. I give you alot of credit for starting out with a Walker - I worked my way up from an 1860 .44 Army (which, by the way, is probably the most balanced, easiest to shoot revolver that I own). You will run into problems with the Walker - any questions that you might have, try dealing directly with Taylors, instead of where you bought it (Taylors imports the Ubertis). Don't return a gun due to minor problems - learn to repair/fix as you go along. And that screw over the wedge is a Voume Control - turn it all the way down and the neighbors won't hear you cussing at your gun.

subgunner
July 16, 2007, 04:47 PM
I order a Walker from Midway. When I received my Uberti Walker, the cylinder wouldn't index, with the cylinder spinning both ways. Bad handspring. Back to Midway it went. Just received the replacement, Guess what, Midway sent the same Walker back to me (same serial #). So I got a refund. Should have got a Pietta.

DixieTexian
July 16, 2007, 05:55 PM
That Ruger is gonna ride on my hip for backup while hog hunting soon as I can get up to east Texas. I wanna get the work done to it first, though. When I get the Remmie, it'll likely be a range queen. But, heck, it's BP! I was kinda thinkin' about getting a cartridge conversion cylinder for it in the future if I like it as a shooter. That could give it some uses it wouldn't otherwise have as a field gun. But, heck, I have a stainless .45 colt blackhawk that puts 'em in under 4moa. I shoot .44 mag level handloads out of that thing. My light load puts a 255 grain cast flat point out the barrel at 950 or so FPS. Why would I wanna tote a Remmie that ain't no more totable? It might be a little more totable than that big ol' Ruger, but in black powder hunting for hogs, I think I'd rather have the power and accuracy of the Ruger, thanks. If I slap a big hog with that Hawkin .50 and it don't slow him down, I have more faith in the Ruger than any other BP revolver on the market. I'd carry my .45 colt blackhawk if it was legal at that particular WMA (Texas public hunting, BP only rules there). But, I like the looks and feel of Remmies and as a range shooter, it should be fun and it's not expensive. I've always wanted a Remmie, anyway.


All the pig hunting I've used in East Texas didn't involve shooting the pigs. Real men catch them live or stick them. Oh, I'd be carefull about carrying a ROA huting during muzzleloader season in Texas. Texas does not consider them a muzzle loader for hunting purposes.

So I got a refund. Should have got a Pietta.
Pietta doesn't make a Walker unless something has changed recently.

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