Remington 1100 G3

[9mmMike]

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_1100/model_1100_G3.asp

What are the odds that this barrel will be available to turn our "old" 1100's into "G3's" ?

Is there some other secret ingredient that I'm missing?

Discuss.

Mike

[ArmedBear]

Do you know if the gas system is the 1100 or the 11-87 system? Does the barrel even go on an old 1100?

Is this gun really an 1100 with a gas-compensated barrel, or is it really an 11-87 with an overbored barrel?

BTW you can get a new barrel with lengthened forcing cones from Midway for $185.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=724890

WRT overboring, what, exactly, does it do, besides mess with some of your wads and render your collection of chokes obsolete?

Actual tests seem to indicate that lengthened cones do soften recoil, but overbored barrels don't have any effect. I can see why you'd want them if you shoot 3.5" shells in game reserves that don't allow a 10 Gauge, but otherwise, what is overboring good for?

The cynic in me can't help think that overboring is a gimmick to make us think we need new guns.

[9mmMike]

There are plenty of folks here who know more than me about this but....

On overboring. For me, you need to start with the definition of choke first. Choke, for me, being POC (points of constriction). Once I got used to that, I realized that an overbore could be quite handy.
For example:
All my 870 barrels are fixed choke. I have a 20" rifle-sighted barrel that came from the factory marked as IC. The real measurements were .725 bore and .715 POC. This would indeed be .010 (IC) choked. This was a great gun for slugs and pretty good for buck. An overbore on this barrel to .735 without touching the noisy end, gave me a POC of .020. This is basically a MOD choke that still shoots my slugs well but has a much tighter buck pattern. The best of both worlds IMHO.

That's the short version.

Mike

Additional stuff:

I have another factory barrel, also marked IC that was measured as .737 bore with a .014 POC. This would really be Lt Mod or Skeet II for some folks. I had this one backbored to .745 to get about .022 POC which is just a skosh tighter than mod yet still shoots slugs well.

Also the back bore allows for a larger "choke" and less felt-recoil. My HD 870's which are BB'd and have lengthened forcing cones shoot like semi's. Again this is my opinion and others may feel differently.

[ArmedBear]

Lengthening the forcing cones IS a proven way to reduce recoil. If you have both that and overboring done at the same time, it would be hard to tell which is the more significant factor; hence I have to rely on tests done by those who separated out all the different inside-barrel changes. These tests, from what I can tell, indicate that it's the lengthened forcing cones that soften recoil. That would make sense, if you consider that this will flatten out the acceleration curve of the wad and shot going down the barrel.

Again, I will probably not have the chance to test this scientifically myself, and backboring apparently doesn't hurt anything.

And I understand the notion of changing the net constriction at the muzzle end by enlarging the bore as opposed to the fixed choke.

The G3 has screw-in chokes, however, so that's not an issue. The constriction will be whatever it is, whether you have a slightly larger bore or not. You just can't use Remchoke-compatible choke tubes.

What about the gas seal behind the wad? What wads do you use with backbored barrels? Or has there been any problem?

I'm figuring that, when they start selling G3 barrels, Remington will charge an arm and a leg for them. If I am only mindful of the end result, I wonder if the lengthened-cone barrel you can already buy for $185 wouldn't do about the same thing for the felt recoil. And that's what's hard to figure out.:)

[9mmMike]

Yes but its the "Other improvements include a pressure compensated barrel which enables the use of light 2 3/4-inch target loads interchangeably with heavier 3-inch magnum loads..." that has intrigued me.
Since this is supposed ot me an 1100 and not an 1187, this is a mystery to me.

[ArmedBear]

I guess I'm thinking that Remington may charge nearly as much for the G3 barrel as you would pay for a good used 11-87.:) Wouldn't put it past 'em, anyway.

[45auto]

If it does everything as advertised, I'd think they would phase out the 1187 at some point...perhaps?

[ArmedBear]

45auto-

Have you seen the MSRP, though? It's out of line, at least for a gun to replace the 11-87.

[45auto]

Armedbear,

You could be right. The "Sportsman" model of the 1187 is quite a bit cheaper.

The standard models of all 3 are fairly close in retail. IMHO, if the internal "improvements" are truly improvements and the "balance" is the same as the standard 1100, then I think it would be wise to incorporate those changes into all of them. I think they are "addressing" changes that allowed autos like Beretta to sell large numbers. Exterior finishes and wood can alter the image and price as needed.

I'm just thinking as a new consumer what would I buy to shoot some clays, hunting, etc. Might be a bit confusing with 3 models that look the same, two of which handle 3".

Perhaps the Sportsman becomes the big box gun.

Just thinking out loud with no real point to make. :) Just glad they are not "sitting on their hands". Not to mention their new auto also. Good for them.