Attacked in the restroom.

[real_name]

I have this scenario that sometimes occurs to me.
While in a restroom (store, gas station, cinema, bar etc.) and whilst using the urinal stand, it would be a disadvantageous situation to be attacked from behind by one or two assailants.
If you have ever thought of a response to this form of attack, or if you have ever dealt with the same or similar then I would be interested in reading your thoughts on this.

Lets assume you enter the restroom, you are either carrying a concealed handgun, knife, both or neither. Your choice for the purposes of this exercise.
There is either someone already present, washing their hands as a cover to their loitering, or a guy (or group) enter after you.
You are already urinating when they strike. This is your major disadvantage.

What do you do?

Firstly, I would let vanity and decency fall by the wayside, I would rather struggle my way back into the crowded room (restaurant, bar etc) not fully covered than fight alone and without witnesses in a restroom. Other than that I would take full advantage of the environment and attempt to bounce the badguy(s) off at least the sink, mirror or both. Then draw my weapon as I became free to do so.

[mbs357]

I don't have much of a plan for if I'm attacked...
But I don't go into a bathroom if there's someone else in there.
I try to use stalls.
And I try to keep track of whoever comes in after I've gone in.

[Biker]

Friend, you need to relax some...;) It's a mean ol' world, but you'll think yourself into an early grave at this rate.
In any case, I'd employ the deadly weapon I have in hands - the Pride and Joy of Bannock County - and beat the transgressors to death with the deadly, bullet-proof weapon sure to inspire fear in the heart of all villains!

Biker:)

[Zundfolge]

I don't use urinals for 2 big reasons.

1) I prefer locking myself in a stall for security reasons.

2) you get a lot of splash back at a urinal ... its a fine mist you can't even feel, but still grosses me out.

[real_name]

Biker, I'm plenty relaxed, like I said it's just a scenario that sometimes occurs to me. It occured to me today as I was in a department store restroom and someone came in after me. I was carrying and as I only got my permit last week it was the first time this situation had presented itself with me carrying, presenting the extra complication of the BG taking my gun.
But, if I seem uptight I'll just use the stall. ;)

[matthew.g.george]

adult diapers...?

[Hooligan]

I don't use urinals for 2 big reasons.

1) I prefer locking myself in a stall for security reasons.

2) you get a lot of splash back at a urinal ... its a fine mist you can't even feel, but still grosses me out.

That's my feelings too, Zundfolge. For the same reasons I prefer to be in a locked stall.

[Biker]

I know man, there are some things you just have to pick up the hard way. For example, when you're locked up and you have to sit on the toilet, you always take one leg out of your pants while seated so you can stand up, fight and move if you're attacked.

Biker

[real_name]

always take one leg out of your pants while seated so you can stand up, fight and move if you're attacked.

Now that hadn't even crossed my mind. That could get quite messy.

[Biker]

Yup, ever tried floatin' like a butterfly and stingin' like a bee with your pants around your ankles?
In any case, it beats gettin' the crap beat outa you.
;)

Biker

[vynx]

think rural rst stop at night.

keep one hand on a small ccw in your pants pocket - you can hold your pants up with the hand/ccw in the pocket and use your other hand for whatever/warding off potential attackers

not a great solution but one i have used in an extreme situation

also, use urinal at end by wall so they would really alert you to go behind you

[FXR]

I always have a folding knife in my front pocket anyway so, whilst at the urinal attending to business, I slip my folder into the palm of my hand discretely prior to the "event."

If I get surprised from behind then at least I have a a knife in hand; *snick* and now I'm ready for fun. Don't bother zipping up, just get prehistoric with the blade. It's not like they deserve any compassion or anything...geez, attacking a man from behind in a restroom; they deserve to be left dead and facedown on the wet floor.

So far, never had to do it that way, but I've thought about it in advance. Never been in prison so I don't think much about that realm.
K

[Fezwig]

Smartcarry.com

One hand on your gun and the other on your, um, gun...


I've used my smartcarry for years now and it can be real handy sometimes.

Fezwig

[cambeul41]

I LIKE that!

[spacemanspiff]

psshawwww

ya'll are so untactical it hurts. i have multiple methods. first, i have rigged up a 'reverse camelbak', eliminates most needs to use public restrooms.
but on the rare occasion that i have to be all dressed up and can't both a hydration system and a de-hydration system, i make sure i enter public restrooms with a wingman. sometimes i take two wingmen.

hey, it works for women, its gotta work for us guys, right?

:rolleyes:

[Avizpls]

As jocular as theis may sound, spin around and finish your buisness on them. I dont care who they are, if they get a grown mans piss on them, they will step back and go wtf??? THEN you have the advantage to do whatever you want. Personally, Id just get the heck outta dodge.

[DoubleTapDrew]

If I get surprised from behind then at least I have a a knife in hand; *snick* and now I'm ready for fun. Don't bother zipping up, just get prehistoric with the blade.
LOL!! Just remember to NEVER *snick* right before you zip up or you may leave more than a bad guy facedown on the floor!

[Soybomb]

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Buy the stadium pal! ;)

[DoubleTapDrew]

Thats so tactical! :p
Do they have a model for #2?
Hot Date: "Are you just happy to see me or is that a catheter in your...oh...um, I gotta get going, I'll talk to you later"

[AndyC]

As jocular as theis may sound, spin around and finish your buisness on them. I dont care who they are, if they get a grown mans piss on them, they will step back and go wtf??? THEN you have the advantage to do whatever you want. Personally, Id just get the heck outta dodge.

Did exactly that in a nightclub about 10 years ago - let loose onto a huge aggressive guy's lower legs then kicked him in the kneecap while he was looking down and cursing. That gave me enough time to get out and away; I was covered in piss too, but that was irrelevant.

[Lupinus]

eat lots of high fiber foods before hand, if all else fails get as much of what you went in there to get rid of on them. Then use their sleeve to clean yourself.

[halfgone]

I have actually thought about this too.... don't know what that says about us...


I always envision a bear-hug, startling and out of nowhere. First thing I think I would do would be to put both feet on the wall and push for all I was worth. I got me some big legs, I'm pretty sure we would quite a distance before he broke my impact by hitting the sink/wall for me. After that, break the hold and *snick* the knife.

Remember, to wound, use the edge, to kill use the tip.

HG

[c_yeager]

Geez dude, I think that maybe your stressing about this too much. Really, if you absolutely have to pee in some horrible place that freaks you out like this and you are followed in by a couple of toughs who are looking to rough you up, then I suppose the best option is to head to a stall, close the door, sit on the commode with your pistol in your hand and do "the tuck" and pee like a girl.

If the place doesnt have doors in the stalls I guess you could build some kind of fort out of toilet paper rolls and do your business in safety.

[Don Gwinn]

I will admit to keeping my eyes open when I'm in a public restroom, same as anywhere else. Haven't yet felt the need to go quite this tactical. Some of you have put a lot of thought into this.

(There, that was diplomatic, right?)
:)

[bcolorado]

I quite often use public transportation. Finding a restroom when needed can be problematic. I found a jacket in a thrift store from one of those companies that mantains plants in buildings, I keep it in my pack. When ever the need arises the jacket goes on and I stroll over and use a potted plant. Don't worry about restroom assaults anymore.:D



(joking, just joking)

[scooterthegreat]

when you're locked up and you have to sit on the toilet, you always take one leg out of your pants while seated so you can stand up, fight and move if you're attacked.
Thanks for the visual.... :neener:

[Biker]

Yeah, I'm a sexy beast...:o

Biker

[TrapperReady]

Isn't this the perfect scenario for...


Spray n' Pray

[Diamondback6]

Very PUN-ny, Trapper. But we all knew it was coming sooner or later...

[Havegunjoe]

And the bad guy would feel like he was hit by a tree trunk. All kidding aside, use a stall or come back when the restroom is empty. You can't cover all situations all the time. Don't worry too much about it.

[Lupinus]

look down shake your head and say "Dangit mini me interupted agian" and then turn around and inform them mini me angers easily

[TMM]

If for some crazy reason i was using a urinal, i'd tun and piss on them, while giving them my boot to the kneecap, and drawing my knife and slicing them to ribbons. Oh yea, make sure to cover your parts with your off hand when you draw your knife.

In a stall (i ALWAYS use a stall, because i don't like whipping out my... gun in the middle of a room. and the backsplash issue.), if the door opened inward, i'd just push back and shove them away. then i'd decide from there. if the door opened outward, i'd probably piss on them and again, decide from there.

~tmm

[Cosmoline]

This isn't paranoia, BTW. Muggers frequently time their attacks in this manner, and brutal beatings or killings in the restroom are NOT uncommon at all. The best defense? Avoid using the urinal.

[scooterthegreat]

So what about us ladies? Obviously we don't have the urinal dilema, but we are completely stuck with our pants around our ankles regardless. The "turn and pee on them"... well... I let my imagination run on that visual... :what: I can't even count the number of times I have gotten the stall that doesn't lock, look for one that does and find out that none of them do...

[Biker]

I repeat - take one leg out of your pants and squirrel covers. That way, you can stand and move.:)

Biker

[Lupinus]

yeah biker and get your pants water logged from pissing all over them cause I dont know about you but for me once it starts it don't stop reguardless of what i tell it to do...that and have only one shoe on. Getting pants off over work boots is dang near impossible.

Pee soaked pants and only one shoe on with your longarm hanging out for the world to see...yeah real intimidating picture lol

[Biker]

Nononono....Lupinus. The pants around one ankle thing is only if you have to sit on the throne. :uhoh: It would elicit some pretty funny looks if a guy dropped 'em like that in front of a urinal.:neener:

Biker

[scooterthegreat]

I repeat - take one leg out of your pants and squirrel covers. That way, you can stand and move

I'm a jeans and sneakers/hiking boots kind of gal - How you do see this working with nylons and high heels?

[Lupinus]

yeah biker I kinda got that...if you were standing at a urinal with your backside bared to all I think they would just take pitty on you for being a mental case and move along lol.

But sitting on the thrown does sometimes enlist the need to drain oneself.

[Biker]

Ooooh, Scooter, I'm doin' my best to keep quiet.:)

Biker

[scooterthegreat]

Ooooh, Scooter, I'm doin' my best to keep quiet.

Spit it out - :cool:

[chaim]

So what about us ladies?

You gals have an advantage over us guys. When we use a urinal (or the stall for the same job) our backs are turned to the world and if we aren't careful we can be snuck up upon. You are sitting facing out. My suggestion would be if in a carry state, you have to do something with your holstered weapon before dropping trou anyway. Have it in your hand, that way if someone forces their way into the stall the first thing they see is you pointing a gun at them- that will take the aggression out of most people. If you aren't in a carry state, keep a knife handy.

[zahc]

I wish there were mirrors on the wall in front of urinals.

[RyanM]

This isn't paranoia, BTW. Muggers frequently time their attacks in this manner, and brutal beatings or killings in the restroom are NOT uncommon at all. The best defense? Avoid using the urinal.

Yep. Usually started by slamming your head into either the pipe on top of the urinal, or the wall. Probably you wouldn't be able to do anything in that case. Best bet is to either go in the stall, as has been said, or if that's impossible for whatever reason, go outside and find a bush.

[justashooter]

you always take one leg out of your pants while seated so you can stand up, fight and move if you're attacked.

you always take one leg out of your pants when using a chinese toilet, and be sure to keep your keys, cell phone, and wallet in your office desk while in the john, cause it's a straight downpipe from the floor trench.

had an australian borrow my cell one day and go running into the bathroom in the office building we work in. he dialed his phone, and could hear it down the pipe. i didn't offer to help him get it back.

[Pilgrim]

Train your puppy to do its business 'hands free' so you have both hands free for defense.

Pilgrim

[albanian]

Oh, yes. The Brutal Bathroom Beating defense.:D Because of Brutal Bathroom Beatings, it is best to buy off or burden your beaters with brawn. Both beaters and beaties will be bemused by brown bombs bolted at them in the event of a BM.

Seriously, Brutal Bathroom Beatings are a real problem in our world and we must all work together to find a cure. Why someone would decide to pick on me when there are much easier targets to choose is beyond me. It hasn't ever happened because predators smell fear and weakness. I am not bragging but they would have to be pretty bold or stupid to attack me. I also do not put myself in stupid positions if I can help it. There have been a time or two when my car broke down in the South side of Chicago that I felt like it may not have gone very well for me but I always got away. Use anything you have to your advantage. Stay in public view and avoid being trapped or cornered.

If you walk into a bathroom that looks like there are people in there that shouldn't be in there, just turn around and walk out. Don't worry about what people will think. I have done this at least once. It always seems to be when I am on vacation or a road trip and not familar with the area. I will pee on the side of the road before I walk into a situation where I feel like prey.

[DontBurnMyFlag]

if someone tried to assault me while taking a leak, i would immediatly turn around and share by bodily function with them. I gaurantee that they will move backwards several feet. I dont care how tough they are, they are not expected to get pissed on. that would buy me enough time to use a weapon or flee the scene. I wouldnt care about getting all wet...after all, Id rather pee on myself than die or lose my wallet.

[AlaskaErik]

I know of no situation where someone was assaulted in a restroom in a mall or store in my area. While I am always cautious, I really don't worry about using the urinal. I'm more cautious about getting there and leaving if it's down a long corridor in the mall. In that case, I will also check out the restroom to make sure no one is hiding. But that's the exception. Most restrooms are high traffic and BGs don't bother people in them. At least not here.

[Shweboner]

I love it. I often have that scenario run through my head while @ the urinal

Try to keep aware of your surroundings

put your pistol up front and keep a hand on it.

Dont undo your belt or button/snap... just unzip. that way theres no worry about the pants falling duing your response.

Turn, yell at them in your most intimidating tone, piss on them, draw your piece and go from there.

Its nice to carry a pistol that you can use as a club too, for those colse in moments. Like a makarov or any DA you can hold with your trigger finger BEHIND the trigger. Works great. Or if you carry a snubby, you can hold it exposing the muzzle and butt to hit with.

Have fun.:uhoh:

[Tokugawa]

Had my nieghbor down for dinner the other day. He mentioned he had a gun , in passing. I asked him about it. Said he was not a "gun" guy. He was a "self defense" guy. The reason- he was threatened in a public restroom. He was in the stall, it was a time when no one else was around, untill the perp came in. It was getting serious untill some other people came in and the guy left. This was a rest stop on the highway.

[Browns Fan]

LOL! You guyz are awesome! I knew there was a good reason for me to hang around here!:D

[Shotgun12]

Yeah .... those "rest areas" can be pretty dangerous.

Several years back, an 'older' friend of mine; a gun shop owner, and WWII vet .... told me of an incident that took place one time, while he and his wife were on a road trip to visit their daughter. While making a 'pit-stop' at a rest area .... he was standing (alone) at the john, when a guy armed with (luckily) only a knife, came in behind him - apparently thinking Jim looked like an "easy target" - and demanded his wallet. Jim always 'carried', but with his .45 out in the car .... what he pulled out of his back pocket was one of those .22's that are carried in a 'wallet' type holster, with a hole for trigger access .... and can be fired from its "holster". He turned around and put one round, just past the guy's head - to let him know it was 'real' .... then stuck it in his face, and told him to 'run like hell' .... he did.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Yep. Usually started by slamming your head into either the pipe on top of the urinal, or the wall. Probably you wouldn't be able to do anything in that case.

Personally, it kinda amazes me that people don't automatically lead their attack with this, or a punch/stab to the kidney.

Gonna take the time to set something like that up, why take the chance they'll be able to fight back?

[LAK]

You are already urinating when they strike. This is your major disadvantage
In most restrooms, outside the stalls, your primary disadvantage is that you are facing a wall, a very hard surface, with your face/head very close to it. Close enough that all someone has to do is take a run at your back and drive your face into it. For most people, the "fight" is over at this point.

I use a stall whenever possible; if not I will wait if I have any doubts about fellow travelers. Or go somewhere else.

And don't get taken by surprize.

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[SSN Vet]

Spiff.....read Dune....it's calles a stillsuit

Soy.....a half liter bottle is usually easy to come by and works just as well...haven't overflowed one yet, even pulled off the trick behind the wheel.

Watering the daisys works.

You could just swallow your pride and sit down and relax.

In general, any self defense move for being grabbed from behind should be applicable...(though messy)...Kick straight back (like a mule).

If someone sticks a gun in your back....your probably SOL.

Ever tried just holding it?

[ShootingEnthusiatist]

My Dad owns a floor cleaning company. He works mostly nights. A few years back he had just finished a job at a convenience store. The store clerk had already left. Dad had just finished hosing off and loading up the equipment into his van. Before getting back on the road he stopped to relieve himself around the side of the building.

Having lost his situational awareness, a guy approached him from behind, stuck a bowie knife to his throat, and forced him to re-enter the store. Mind you that none of us carry keys to any of these stores. Fearing for the worst, my Dad tore the door down, allowing the BG access to the store.

As the perp went into the store my Dad slowly backed away from him. The knife wielding maniac got about 10 steps away, and instead of heading to the safe, turned and stalked back towards my father. It seems that he didn't want any witnesses. Dad pulled out his NAA .22, and proceed to put 2 rounds in the guy's center mass. He dropped like a load of bricks.

Dad called the police. They asked him if he was in fear for his life. He was. They loaded the BG into the car and took his a** to jail.

[TamThompson]

Scooter, this is a great argument in favor of a hip holster, preferably inside the waistband. I wear one, along with a back-up gun in a pocket holster on the other side (hip gun is on my left, since I'm left, BUG in right front pocket).

Since I almost always wear shorts or pants, all I do is spread legs wide to keep the gun upright in the holster. I'm careful, though, to not push it too much to the side so that it would be visible to someone in the stall next to me looking down under the divider. Wouldn't want it grabbed. If someone surprises me in the stall, bad move--up against a ticked-off woman with 2 guns and one's a .45.

[Bill2k1]

Heres what happened to me.

I was at a bar and had broken the seal. I was standing doing my business when a person walks in behind me and says something that sounded to me like "I'm gonna kick your butt" but he used more words. I didn't really think, I turned hooked up with him and pulling him to me he lost his balance and fell into me. I tried to knee him in the balls a couple times then I finished the pull in push down (some people will know that move). As I let him drop down I am fairly sure he puked, I assume from him being drunk and my knee hitting him in either his balls or the general area.

I pulled up my pants, opened the door and went right out the front door. Looking back I think the guy was drunk and looking for a fight, I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The whole thing took maybe 4 seconds.

[Otherguy Overby]

You all have probably seen this but just in case:

http://www.ampnet.co.uk/femorabilia/pee_standing.html :what:

It used to be posted on www. restrooms.org but was removed for commercial reasons I guess.

[gunsmith]

in NYC public schools were very dangerous.
watch yer 6.

[entropy]

Had a 'friend' surprise me at a urinal some years ago, slapped me on the back 'for a joke', he explained later. I turned, still whizzing, grabbed his neck with both hands and rammed his head into a stall side panel. I then told him " You're lucky I recognized you, because I was about to use this.." as I pointed to the Kershaw Amphibian (4" boot type knife) in my inside vest pocket. He never tried anything like that again with me.:p

[pete f]

In my highschool years I went to watch the RedSox play at old Comiskey Park in Chicago. I was wearing a RedSox hat and about the fifth inning i went in to take a leak, I had just stepped up to the trough when i got body slammed from behind into the wall. I was half dazed and slipping down toward the trough (EWWWW!!!) WHen the guy who hit me was screaming at me for liking the P***Y RedSox and he grabbed my check book which was sticking out of my back pocket. Every body else in the room just leaned back and watched. I watched him go out the door and he was wearing a Union jacket. I got and followed him at a distance till he got back to his seat. I ran back to my seats where my friends were sitting and got some help. With a few friends as back up I dropped into the seat behind him and wrapped my belt around his neck, Told him the p***y redsox were killing his whitesox and I would do the same to him if he did not give me back my checkbook. By this time security people were running toward us. he handed over the check book and I was out of there.

Ever since this happend I have Never once used a trough or urinal in anything but a single occupant rest room. I will use the stall.