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rebelz
May 23, 2006, 11:14 PM
which is the best truck gun?:D :D

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MagnumCaliber357
May 23, 2006, 11:43 PM
None.... i want a 1919 on MY TRUCK!!!! :evil:

Don't Tread On Me
May 24, 2006, 01:08 AM
Well, what are the considerations for a "trunk gun" (not a truck gun since I don't drive a truck)..I've debated that in my head quite a few times. I've concluded a few things that are purely my opinion.


One of the criteria for a trunk gun would be self defense. In that scenario, a bolt action rifle is simply not acceptable. Semi automatic is best due to rate of fire thus increasing hit probability in a shorter amount of time.

Any rifle meant to be kept in a vehicle must be able to sustain abuse and weather conditions. Vehicles get hot/cold/dry/humid.

Any firearm in a vehicle must be expendable. It must not be a serious financial burden or impact if it is lost or stolen. Thus, the cheaper in cost, the better.

A rifle kept in a trunk would carry out a role to be used when out and about. This could be self defense, this could be used against dangerous animals, it could be used in a SHTF scenario, a riot, to defend against a serious criminal action in public...For that, you need a cartridge that is capable.


A vehicle weapon is likely to be used at either out in a rural area where you'd want serious power, in an urban area, where you'd also want power, or in or around and about other vehicles, where again, you'd want power.


You need a cartridge that will incapacitate even an armored target, such as a lunatic wearing a kevlar vest. You need something that can penetrate medium barriers such as the common walls found in suburban/urban environments. Being a vehicle kept weapon, it must be able to be effective against vehicles. This means the penetration of auto glass, car body and interiors.


The AR platform is too expensive, and aside from using SS109 or M855, not the best penetrator. The AK is also too expensive (to get a decent one). M1 carbine is also expensive, and fires a cartridge that is underpowered for use against structures or vehicles. Although it, like the AK and the AR has the capacity for 30rds.


The best choice is the SKS. It gives you 10 good rounds (or 20 if you get the larger mag) of 7.62x39mm which is ideal at the practical ranges one would encounter for a vehicle kept "out and about" type rifle for virtually any imagineable threat you'd encounter. All at a very low cost, with good reliability, good ability to sustain abuse, and in its original military condition (not converted or butchered up, or a military copy using substandard metallurgy that is junk) It is also tough enough to be used as a blunt force weapon, or if you have a bayonet, well...


It has all the advantages, and no disadvantage. Size/Weight might be one, but this is a trunk gun and not something you carry around or use often.

MTMilitiaman
May 24, 2006, 01:11 AM
I have to pretty much agree on all points with DTOM. I have a Yugo SKS for the truck and couldn't imagine much of anything better for the role.

ugaarguy
May 24, 2006, 01:53 AM
Great replies from DTOM and MTM, their reasoning is hard to argue with.

Sunray
May 24, 2006, 02:41 AM
The 25mm chain gun used on the Bradley is good for trucks. Not as jazzy as an HE round out of a 105 or 120 tank gun though.
"...A vehicle weapon...in an urban area..." Must be legal to start with. Then it must be a rifle that you don't care how pretty it stays. It won't.
"...such as a lunatic wearing a kevlar vest...effective against vehicles..." Any rifle cartridge will penetrate a kevlar vest. There's no point whatsoever in trying to stop any vehicle with a rifle. Physics doesn't allow it. No rifle cartridge will stop any vehicle. If you're in your vehicle and somebody takes a run at you with theirs, you're better off staying seat belted in your's and driving away.
"...the common walls found in suburban/urban environments..." If you're in a vehicle, there are no walls. If you shoot through any wall or window, you are responsible for where that bullet ends up. If it hits anything or anybody you didn't intend to hit, you are responsible. Urban or rural.
I must agree with the SKS though. They're usually ratty to begin with, shoot accurately enough for close ranges, aren't expensive to buy, has no felt recoil and the 7.62 x 39 certainly has enough power.
"...I don't drive a truck..." Geezuz. Where's your head at? Cars are useless.

belton-deer-hunter
May 24, 2006, 10:50 AM
not enough choices i didnt see the marlin 30-30 choice up there so i am not voteing

bowfin
May 24, 2006, 10:59 AM
The main use of a truck gun out here is picking off a coyote as the opportunity presents itself.

That puts the Remington 700 (suitably scoped) in a .22-250 or .243 heads and shoulders above the rest.

I don't ever envision myself shooting ten rounds at anybody or anything, but I never been in L.A. or New Orleans...then again, I never intend to, either.

allmons
May 24, 2006, 11:02 AM
Look, in most trucks in my rural area you're gonna find a .30-30 lever action, a semi auto .22 rifle, a 12 gauge pump or a Mini 14. Realizing you said "rifle", that eliminates the 12 gauge. But NONE of the other rifles are even mentioned!

:what:

Dain Bramage
May 24, 2006, 11:41 AM
In Washington state, it is illegal to keep a loaded rifle in a vehicle. I want something that is mag loaded. I like my Yugo SKS, but don't think much of the magazine options, or of fumbling with stripper clips. I voted for the AK.

Terrierman
May 24, 2006, 12:12 PM
My truck gun is an All Weather 77/22 in .22 WMR. And for my purposes it's perfect or obviously I'd get something else....I'm like the guy from Nebraska only from Missouri, except I've been to L.A. and New Orleans both. I won't be going back though. Around here when the tornadoes come we don't get roving gangs of looters, we get neighbors coming out to help. And Red Dawn just ain't real high on my to worry about list either. So I'm sticking with my .22 and that's that.

Nhsport
May 24, 2006, 12:16 PM
I took the sks as the best of the ones povided. Think of changeing the m16 to ar15?
My choice in my real life would be more likely be a 30-30. Useable power,medium cost,low profile. Downside is that it is slow to load.
I very much like the ar15,quick to load/reload ,good power,good capicity, but is hurt by evil black rifle profile. One part of me wants the most effective rifle ,but many possible uses of a truck rifle have some chance of interaction with the public/law enforcement make me look hard at the profiile issue.

KaceCoyote
May 24, 2006, 01:27 PM
What, no Marlin 60?

Yakko
May 24, 2006, 02:10 PM
None of the above...

Winchester '94 in .44mag.

Quickdraw Limpsalot
May 24, 2006, 02:19 PM
Marlin levergun for me (in either .357, .44, 30-30, or .35 Rem.)

Carl N. Brown
May 24, 2006, 02:20 PM
50 Barrett will stop all but the most heavily armored trucks.

TexAg
May 24, 2006, 02:55 PM
Big mistake leaving out leverguns as an option.

Justin
May 24, 2006, 03:21 PM
Requirements for a trunk gun:

1) Cheap, verging on disposable. If I'm involved in an auto accident, the last thing I want to worry about is replacing a rifle that cost a lot of money.

2) Semi-auto. Personal preference.

3) Serviceably accurate to 250-300 yards.

4) Easy to maintain.

5) Cheap, widely available ammo.

6) Inexpensive magazines/accessories.

My vote goes to the SKS.

DMK
May 24, 2006, 03:39 PM
I voted for SKS loaded with Winchester softpoints. That should take care of most common predators two or four footed. A cheap battle pack of 100-200 FMJs on strippers could be stashed in a surplus pouch in case of sudden, unexpected SHTF (war, riot, Mike's Hard Lemonade alien paratroopers, whatever).

If you need something with a little more punch (ie. if you live in bear or couger country and fear an attach from them more than hordes of gangbangers, chicom infiltrators, zombies, etc), then a Mosin Nagant carbine would be a good substitute.

Either gun is rugged, cheap, reliable and requires little maintenace.

CZguy
May 24, 2006, 05:58 PM
not enough choices i didnt see the marlin 30-30 choice up there so i am not voteing

I have to agree. My first choice would be a Marlin 336 in 30/30. My second choice would be a Remington 870P, 12 ga, Parkerized, with a 18 in barrel.

riverdog
May 24, 2006, 06:10 PM
I agree that some good choices are missing, but I went with my third choice after the Marlin 336 and Rem 870 -- the Rem 700 -- 30-06, .308 and .223, my choice :) Pre-64 Win Model 70 Featherweight (.308) is fourth, that's not on the list either.

qajaq59
May 24, 2006, 06:32 PM
You're asking which truck gun and the lever 30-30 isn't on the list? Hmmmm?
You sure you are from Earth?:D

hank327
May 24, 2006, 06:43 PM
You didn't give enough choices. For me, my choice of a truck/trunk rifle would be my Lee-Enfield No. 5 Mk 1 Jungle Carbine in .303 British. I bought it for a song at a gun show over 20 years ago and it is in excellent condition. It takes 10 round magazines of full power .303 ammo, both FMJ and SP and is as slick a bolt gun as you could ask for. It will do everything I need of a truck gun and more.

ajax
May 24, 2006, 10:15 PM
None of them. My .50 cal sling shot is the terror of the neighbor hood. Just ask the dogs.:neener:

CB1961
May 25, 2006, 08:18 AM
.30-30win would be in my truck, but I don't have a truck anymore...but I will put the .30-30win by the bed. Some points I have about the .30-30win: Easy to shoot, available ammo almost anywhere you go, good looking design that does not frighten the anti-gun crowd, heck you look like the Lone Ranger..LOL. Quick enough follow up shots for me without semi-auto, can cover a variety of game animals when hunting and will certainly stop anyone who would wish you harm. Doesn't cost much either.

Deer Hunter
May 25, 2006, 10:41 AM
I might vote for a 12 gauge. Range is moot in this situation, since if it is a truck gun, and you are put in a situation where you have to use it, you are obviously close to your truck. Now, assuming that this threat is at a reasonable rifle distance away, say 100 yard or more, why not just get out of there? You are at your truck. You don't have to fight your way to your truck or anything, it's just that simple.

Now, if the threat was 25 yards away and closing fast, a shotgun would be ideal.

Brian Williams
May 25, 2006, 11:27 AM
WHAT NO LEVER ACTION IN A TRUCK GUN POLL, What has THR come to.


You already have a Bias in your poll, was your poll made up by Yugoslavian gun designers, you push the SKS and second the AK and slam the AR????:confused: :confused: Then you have a commercial Bolt gun and 3 Milsurp bolties, and followed by the lowly M1 carbine.

First of between the AR and the AK, what ever floats your boat. Also the SKS. all good guns and have their limitations. Of those three I would like to have an underfolding AK to slam around. A nice accurate AR would be a hoot.
The Bolties would have to go back into the gun cabinet, accept the Mosin maybe. The M1 carbine would be ok but vastly underpowered compared to the rest, might be a plus for a smaller framed individual.

My personal vehicle gun is a Marlin 1894C and 2 S&W K frames with a Marlin 39Mountie and a Colt Woodsman when I can.

Up until the SKS was imported in bulk the Winchester or Marlin was the gun to have in the window of a truck and I still agree with that.

OldSchooler
July 4, 2006, 02:42 PM
1) Cheap, verging on disposable. If I'm involved in an auto accident, the last thing I want to worry about is replacing a rifle that cost a lot of money.

2) Semi-auto. Personal preference.

3) Serviceably accurate to 250-300 yards.

4) Easy to maintain.

5) Cheap, widely available ammo.

6) Inexpensive magazines/accessories.My vote goes to the SKS.
Ill agree, except for the range. If I have to depend on an SKS at 300 yards, Ill drive the truck a bit closer.

ChristopherG
July 4, 2006, 03:12 PM
WHAT NO LEVER ACTION IN A TRUCK GUN POLL, What has THR come to.

That's my reaction, too. It kind of kicked me in the gut not to see a single levergun--SURELY the gun you'd find most of if you actually surveyed trucks across America--among the options.

My truck has a Marlin 1894fg, .41 mag, in a soft case behind the seats. The Honda Accord has its little brother, the 1894c in .357, in a hard case in the trunk.

Schleprok62
July 4, 2006, 04:48 PM
I like a Marlin 336C for this purpose...


:neener:

blackhawk2000
July 5, 2006, 11:21 PM
I picked SKS, and AK. You won't cry too much if either one get's banged up or stolen. Plus for the most part they are going to run after being neglected in the trunk.

1911_CQB
July 6, 2006, 12:25 AM
SKS...if price wasnt a factor a NFA 14'' ar-15 with a collapsble stock , and some TAP ammo.

doc tc
July 6, 2006, 01:06 AM
Marlin 30-30 for me. Best balance of any rifle I own, sufficient magazine capacity, takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

I agree with those who just can't believe that the lever action rifle is not even mentioned in this poll.

But this is a republic so we must tolerate foolishness.

By the way if you add a cartridge carrier to the butt stock of the 30-30 you have fifteen rounds available without fumbling around for a magazine. And of course the round is heavy enough for most anything out to 150-200 yards (and now even further with Hornady's plastic pointy round).

So put me down for the common sense, hard duty American rifle for my truck gun, the Marlin lever.

Yeah I know, it is not on the list. Write it in.

doc

1911_CQB
July 6, 2006, 01:30 AM
After some though, my 1950s vintage model 94 .30-30 would be very nice.

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