Saiga AK's, how do they weigh in?


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grimjaw
May 25, 2006, 12:08 AM
I've been shopping around for another AK in .223. The Saiga's are reported to be quality rifles and consistently accurate. What I'm hoping to find out is what they weigh. I have an Arsenal SA M5 that I don't want to tote around because of the weight. I was hoping a stamped Saiga would weigh less, especially with a folding stock of some sort. How does it compare to a SAR 1/2/3 or the like?

Can anybody 'weigh' in on this subject? :scrutiny:

jmm

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baz
May 25, 2006, 07:51 AM
Check back tomorrow. After I pick one up from my local transfer agent, and bring it home, I'll weigh it and let you know. It is not the stock Saiga, though. It is a Tromix conversion.

grimjaw
May 25, 2006, 10:23 AM
Tromix conversion is better, because that's what I'd be getting. Thanks much.

jmm

kentucky_smith
May 25, 2006, 11:19 AM
Where do you get one and what kind of mags do they take? I've been looking for something like the .308.

Correia
May 25, 2006, 11:28 AM
Kentucky, I'm a distributor for Russian American and stock all the Saigas, and we pretty much monopolize Tromix now. :) Link to FBMG is in my sig line.

clange
May 25, 2006, 09:03 PM
As far as I can tell from looking around arsenals website a while ago, the stamped rifles are about a pound lighter than milled..

rangerruck
May 25, 2006, 11:47 PM
i have three saigas, and they are all very accurate. I would also say that the are also all m.o.a. now i have the 16 in bbls, so i do not know how well the longer bbls shoot, but i would say that the weight of the saigas is the same as a milled ak , maybe lighter. the 223 has a one /9 twist, so it can handle the heavier rounds, which i like, and they will also take regular ak mags, with very little mods to the mag, usually just a little grinding to the back slope that goes up ward to the catch, and a small threaded screw down in the gap of the front catch.

Don't Tread On Me
May 26, 2006, 06:02 AM
Wow? MOA Saigas? Forget spending top dollar on AR's with custom barrels and free float tubes...:rolleyes:



I'm skeptical on Saigas being MOA. But not skeptical about them being accurate for that particular platform. I was thinking of ordering a Saiga tomorrow actually. So if that accuracy is true, I will be pleasantly surprised and will probably begin collecting many of them (and coverting them too).

SpookyPistolero
May 26, 2006, 11:22 AM
I don't benchrest for tight groups often, but when I tried to using my .308 Saiga 16" it certainly approached 1 MOA (I don't recall any sub-MOA groups). I'm not an ace shot, either. I'm not saying all or most are MOA, just that it's not impossible.

grimjaw
May 26, 2006, 05:33 PM
the stamped rifles are about a pound lighter than milled

Unless you're talking about a VEPR, and it's as heavy or heavier than the milled versions.

I'm not up to spending $600+ only to find out I bought another 8.5lb 'carbine'. I'll get a WASR before I go that route.

jmm

Sewerman
May 26, 2006, 07:19 PM
I have 2 saigas that are several years old and love them. Whats the deal with having to move the trigger and install a pistol grip? mine came like that new. mine are 7.62 and by Far the most accurate ak type rifle i have ever fired. I dont have a scale but i think my chinese folding stock ak is heavier.:D

Drakejake
May 26, 2006, 09:55 PM
I believe that all Saigas have stamped receivers, there are no milled. Perhaps you are thinking of the MAK-90, a Chinese AK. Some of these have milled receivers (mine does). I believe the Saiga .308 weighs about 8.5 pounds.

Drakejake

Crosshair
May 27, 2006, 12:02 AM
Here is mine. It is plenty accurate. Only problem is I don't let the barrel cool enough (Having too much fun.) and it gets hot and accuracy suffers when it is hot.
http://gra.midco.net/5937/GunPhotos/BAW_Saiga_Small.jpg

/BTW, that's a 6x42 POSP scope on top.:cool:

TexAg
May 27, 2006, 12:23 AM
Crosshair, is that the Saiga Galil handguard from Tapco? If so, how difficult was it to install?

Correia
May 27, 2006, 12:24 AM
http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga.htm

3.8 kilograms is 2.2 pounds. So the Saiga weighs 8.4 pounds. I was actually going to guess less than that before I looked it up, since they balance really well. Hmm... that weight is probably for the 21" barrels. I may have to stick one on the postal scale when I go into the store tomorrow morning.

Don't Tread On Me, in our experience, Saigas are a 2 MOA or better gun. I've had a few people report in excellent groups, especially with the .223 and some load experimentation. The .308 also has brought in some great ones. The 7.62x39 is mechanically the same, but I haven't gotten as many reports of super accuracy, but I chalk that up to lack of people handloading x39 and the lack of precision factory ammo.

rangerruck
May 27, 2006, 12:58 AM
i agree with correa, the 76239, you really have to bear down to get moa. the 223 is pretty easy to do it though. I still think the 76239 is pretty accurate, though. i was at the range about a month ago with it, and i was using the shoot and see targets at 100 yds. i loaded up 100 rounds in the mags, and with open sites, started shooting away. About 1 shot per every 10 seconds I would guess. the targets were the 3 inch targets. After the smoke had settled, i had hit the circle 96 times. Again , open sites, fast fire.
I think the weight from the siaga comes primarily from the bbls, it is pretty stocky. the accuracy def comes from how the bbl is made, cold pour hammer forged type.

Don't Tread On Me
May 27, 2006, 03:10 AM
Don't Tread On Me, in our experience, Saigas are a 2 MOA or better gun. I've had a few people report in excellent groups, especially with the .223 and some load experimentation.

Sounds great. I'm looking mainly for a 0-50m blaster, with the ability to score a headshot at 100m if necessary (I know, silly requirement, but hey - it tickles me). Mostly as a super-duper quick go to home defense rifle that has no optics and gadgets attached. Bare-bones approach. Also, something expendable for road trips and travel.


Anyhow, curiosity has got the best of me, and I've put an order in for one in .223. When I get it, I'll try and borrow my buddy's side mount rail so I can mount my Burris scope and test for accuracy since I handload .223 and have been producing ammo with very low SD's. But that won't be for a while.


I'm wondering if the 1/9 twist 16" will stabilize a Hornady 75? Not a necessity, but would be interesting to find out. I'll test that too.

Crosshair
May 28, 2006, 12:33 AM
TexAg

Not hard at all, just put it on and tighten the screw. Not very "AK" looking, but I like it. Did the whole converson myself. (Had to wing it a bit when some parts didn't fit like the plans said.:uhoh: )

nero45acp
May 28, 2006, 10:54 AM
I'd like to get a Saiga .223 with the 16.3" barrel, but my aging eyes would prefer something with a peep/ghost ring sight. Anyone know if the Mojo's AK peep sights will fit on a .223 Saiga?

http://www.mojosights.com



nero

Correia
May 28, 2006, 12:56 PM
All regular AK sights should work on the Saiga. Except for the furniture and trigger group, they are pure Russian AK.

Don't Tread On Me, did you order that from me this weekend? Or some other "sniff" distributor? :p

Don't Tread On Me
May 28, 2006, 03:43 PM
From you of course! I always go with the company that offers customer support and information online. That's why I order stuff from many of the vendors on AR15.com, because they talk to their potential customers and are stand up guys. It is like getting the one on one interaction in a gunshop, but instead online, and with a business that has the right attitude (see the gunshop hate threads for lists of grievances).


Hopefully, the Russians will ship them soon. Don't they understand that the American people have needs? Like Saiga rifles and 7.62x39mm ammo? They need to get with it.

Kymasabe
May 28, 2006, 10:41 PM
I had a Saiga .308 that was extremely reliable and accurate. Problem was, I didn't fee like spending hundreds of $$ to move the trigger group and buy new furniture, only to be stuck with a gun with a 22 inch barrel and only an 8-round mag. Mine had the hunting style stock and it just didn't look right. So, was cheaper to sell it and buy the AK I wanted. Now have the Armory USA in the traditional 7.62 (which I prefer) and have a nice heavy 1.6mm (instead of 1mm) stamped receiver, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, and other goodies.

nero45acp
May 29, 2006, 08:22 AM
Does the Saiga have a chrome-lined chamber/barrel?


nero

Crosshair
May 29, 2006, 12:35 PM
Yes, the Saiga is chrome-lined.

MechAg94
May 29, 2006, 11:07 PM
How much does the 5.56 version weigh? I was considering getting another 5.56 rifle one of these days, but had been looking at the SU-16. I'll have to keep the Saiga in mind.

Which 5.56 AK mags work with that rifle? Or do you need to convert 7.62 mags?

eab
May 29, 2006, 11:22 PM
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rangerruck
May 30, 2006, 03:33 AM
dittos to eab and the mag wuestion. I have found , that for myself, i like the mags that are steel with the big rib down the back. Think they are called E. german or Weigers. with a dremel, they fit in about 5 minutes max.

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