XD 45 or full size 1911


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mikep99
May 25, 2006, 11:37 PM
Right now I have fallen in love with the springfield 45 acp and the springfield full size 1911.

I am stuck in between which one to get. They, of course, are the same caliber, but to many, it ends there. They are pretty much completely different firearms.

What do you guys make of the Springfield XD 45 and the 1911 individually? Which one would you go with?

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Steelharp
May 26, 2006, 12:49 AM
Get both... sell the one you like the least later... which will be neither... :evil:

10-Ring
May 26, 2006, 01:58 AM
Everyone needs at least one 1911...then add whatever else makes sense to you!

mikep99
May 26, 2006, 06:30 AM
Yeah I know everyone needs a 1911, and I think that is where I am leaning towards....for most of the time. Yet, the springfield XD....wow!

Which one is more reliable?

xring44
May 26, 2006, 06:57 AM
I had the opportunity to handle/fire one of the xd-45s recently at our local range, and although I have never been a fan of the "modern look" it was a treat to shoot. It was suffering from FTF occasionaly, but accuracy was good and it feels good in your hand. I'd certainly never give up my stainless 1911 for one though.

mikep99
May 26, 2006, 07:17 AM
The 1911 is a classic, however, I know that many have it because of its beauty and the fact that it has a lot of history, etc. Nevertheless, how is the reliability on a 1911, since I don't know to much about the firearm except for it being a very nice one.

what is FTF?

longtooth
May 26, 2006, 07:18 AM
From an old timer. Because of age the 1911 has been in my hands a lot of yrs. Therefore all motor memory has been set in practice & more practice. I will pass my 11's to my son just before they shut the lid & have asked him to set his aside & carry one of mine at the service. His is an XD 40. He really likes it. I have shot his. No issues from the start. He did a military tear down & clean before it was fired. I have shot it several times. It points really good. Accurace is excellent out of the box as xring said. The XD is the only modern frame gun that I have shot & said, "if I couldn't have a 1911 I would really look at this." xd is good 1911's are forever. You choose.

ugaarguy
May 26, 2006, 07:33 AM
Nevertheless, how is the reliability on a 1911, since I don't know to much about the firearm except for it being a very nice one.

That all depends on who you ask, what brand it is, and what trim level - i.e. Mil Spec or VERY tight competition gun; and thats a whole nother thread. I think after running a few hundred rounds thru it to verify function, as with all semi autos, I wouldn't be worried in the least. Even after the Beretta 92 replaced it as "standard issue" the 1911 has stuck around within specialized groups in the US Military; noteably Recon Marines, and the pistols that were made to spec for the MEU-SOC (Marine Expeditionary Unit - Special Operations Capable) folks. If 1911s weren't reliable they wouldn't be pushing 100 years in service with our military. JMB (John Moses Browning) definetly knew what he was doing when he designed it.

what is FTF?

Failure to Feed or Failure to Fire; FTE is Failure to Eject

mikep99
May 26, 2006, 07:38 AM
Thank you for your wonderful response. I really like the "forever" comment. I currently have a Walther P99, and I have never enjoyed such a wonderful pistol. It is a perfect fit for my hands. I never liked Glock because the grip was just not for me. I have never had a problem with the P99. Perfect firearm.

However, I have been feeling like I am missing something. I have always been told that you can't go wrong with an all metal gun-- the 1911. Does anyone know how much I can get a springfield full size 1911? I am on a budget and if that is what I decide to get, then I am going to have to find a good model for a good price.

The Xd 45 I like, but am not feeling it like the 1911. In addition to this, I tell myself, "if I am going to get a .45, I might as well get the 1911."

eagle45
May 26, 2006, 07:40 AM
I have to agree with 10-Ring, everyone needs at least one 1911. They are classic and once you adjust to the grip and safety, they are very natural and are actually a pleasure to shoot. By adjusting to the grip, I mean making the adjustment after having shot exclusively revolvers or double stack autos. I have owned two 1911s, currently own just one.

Mikep99, you ask about reliability. As an XD fan (I own three in 40 caliber and the 45 ACP is next on my list) I have to say from a reliability standpoint, my own experience shows that the XD far exceeds the 1911 in the 'pull trigger, go bang' category. This includes both factory ammo and reloads. I have put a few thousand rounds through my XD Service model and 95% of that has been reloads. I have had only one feed problem with the Service model, and that was due to a bent magazine after it was dropped on a concrete floor in an IPSC match. My Tactical model did not like the FP bullets that I used in the Service and Sub Compact models, but I switched to a RNFP and they work fine. My own personal experience with the 1911s with both factory ammo and reloads (with a variety of mags) comes nowhere close to this.

I believe the XD is not only more reliable, but it does this with a lot less maintenance than the 1911 design, and the chances of getting one that performs flawlessly out of the box in greater with the XD. My opinion only, your own results may vary of course. Not trying to start a 'design war', just answering the question.

mikep99
May 26, 2006, 07:49 AM
eagle45 thank you for your response and your opinion.

I am amazed about the 45 XD that has come out. To me it is pretty amazing and I think it hold 13 + 1, which is pretty neat.

I am stil up in the air about the 1911 in general. I want one, but am not sure if I want to get into it right now. I will think about it and see.

Skirmisher
May 26, 2006, 08:14 AM
Had the same decision problem, so I got both.:D

the pistolero
May 26, 2006, 10:02 AM
Does anyone know how much I can get a springfield full size 1911?

I got my GI .45 (link (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-pstl-1911-GI.shtml) -- with the parkerized finish and 5" barrel) for ~$420 after tax. May be a little more, depending on who you get it from and if you go the stainless-steel route; browsing the GunsAmerica site (http://www.gunsamerica.com/), I saw another parkerized GI model for $445, and another for $550, and a stainless-steel model for $490. Granted, the GI model is a real stripped-down, no-frills 1911 open to all sorts of modifications (so far, I've put a set of Hogues on mine), but a great buy. Shoots good, (though those low-profile GI sights took me some getting used to), and with the money you save by not buying a more pricey pistol, you'll have plenty of money left for ammunition. :D

vzwnnj
May 26, 2006, 11:34 AM
Everyone complains of the reliability of the 1911 and the maintenance involved..I've got a Springfield TRP and a Kimber TLE/RL that have now gone thousands of rounds w/o ANY issues...maintenance - sure (clean 'em)

Also have a Dan Wesson commander bobtail...some issues with this one, but now corrected under warranty by the factory (400 straight rounds without an issue now)

so what are you 1911 guys doing with yours to make them fail?

PCRit
May 26, 2006, 12:06 PM
I compared my SA Lwt Loaded Champion to my new XD45 (both have 4" barrels). My main purpose is for CCW, not range plinking or competition. The XD is just as accurate up to 10yds, holds more rounds, is easier to clean/maintain, and will handle a wider range of defensive JHP rounds (with no "tweaking" required).

Sold the 1911, kept the XD45ACP.... 'nuff said:D

fletcher
May 26, 2006, 12:40 PM
I went through this same dilemma a couple months ago, and ended up getting the 1911 in my sig.

I went to the store and picked up / held both of them, and each felt excellent. However, the 1911 eventually won because 1) It was on sale, 2) It was all metal, and stainless on top of that, 3) Not as heavy when fully loaded, 4) Many aftermarket upgrades available for it because of its popularity.

cnyankee
May 27, 2006, 12:36 AM
i was sold on the sa xd but what was undecided which caliber to get 9 mm or 40. then i saw the xd45acp (though they dont show that price). so i started reading posts and got more educated (i love this site) but now the 1911s have entered my thought process. the one thing im sold on it will be a SA. as for caliber i have handguns from a buckmark 22 up to a S&W 460 so power isnt an issue. also i assume if i go with the 45acp that they do have 10 round mags for it (though i would love the 13 round mag but i live i cal). with the 30 day waiting period i will be playing with my new M1A but want to buy the handgun this week. Accuracy is important. thanks for all your input.

Busta Prima
May 27, 2006, 01:34 AM
However, I have been feeling like I am missing something. I have always been told that you can't go wrong with an all metal gun-- the 1911.

They're both different enough that they simply compliment each other. The only thing they have in common is the caliber!!

The 1911 is big, beautiful HARLEY and the XD-45 is a high tech "crotch rocket."

Buy them both. Hey . . . if you buy a used 1911 and a new XD you can get both for under a grand!

:D

peanutlover
May 27, 2006, 01:44 AM
Hello all.

I, too, like the look of the XD-45. I've not yet held one.

I got my Springfield Full-size Milspec last year. I carry it daily in a Lou Alessi Bodyguard. It stays cocked and locked.

I've put about 2000 rounds through her already. No problems. I can't remember having any FTEs or FTFs. Not one.

I chose the 1911 platform because of the 3 safeties: (1) grip safety; (2) thumb safety; (3) the safety that resides between our ears. The 'trigger safety' on the XD isn't a safety at all. The trigger pull weight is not enough to reduce the chance of an accidental discharge.

Just my 2 cents.

Frenchy
May 27, 2006, 01:15 PM
Got the XD-45 and the RIA 1911. Wouldn't unload either one of them!

Euclidean
May 27, 2006, 01:29 PM
The XD45ACP incorporates the features of the M1911 that I like the most: A full sized gun shooting an effective but soft recoiling round, they have the same grip angle, and they share the same grip safety.

It gets rid of the features I like the least: the external safety, the awkward takedown, the higher likelihood that one particular gun will have a reliability problem. The XD's Sig -style takedown is a real selling point too for me at least.

One is not better than the other, they're just different. For concealed carry the XD was a better choice for me personally. Mine has scratches and holster wear on it and shows signs of constant use. If I drop it, scratch it, get it dirty, wet, whatever, I really don't care because it's a plug ugly service gun. If I wanted something just because it was nice and fun to shoot, I'd say 1911.

MICHAEL T
May 27, 2006, 01:36 PM
Get the 1911 other looks like a water pistol:barf: No soul Get the real thing.:)

Niebelungen
May 27, 2006, 04:10 PM
I am a new comer to the High Road and I'm glad I'm here. I have wanted info on the XD-45 since I saw a photo of one. I am a police officer and I currently carry the XD-40 and find that it is a great pistol. I love to shoot it and it has been a pleasant surprize. I am thinking of buying an XD-45 in the next month or so. I enjoyed this thread. :)

nitesite
May 27, 2006, 04:44 PM
I first owned a 1911 in 1983, a Colt Combat Government Series 70. Carried it on duty as a deputy sheriff and have been in love with the 1911 ever since.

I currently own a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 5" parkerized 1911-A1. I replaced the titanium firing pin and stronger FP spring with a Wilson Combat steel pin and standard spring. The primer indents are now normal and deep, unlike the very light and shallow ones I originally experienced. All newer SA 1911s will have the titanium pin and stronger spring, elements of their firing pin safety system to make them pass the drop test.

Also, I replaced the un-tunable extractor with a spring steel one. It is absolutely reliable and I've carried it a lot, with utter confidence. Chip McCormick 8-rd mags are all I use in it.

Still, I had to add the new XD-45 to my group of guns. I haven't owned it long, but it's really starting to grow on me. I can't find anything I dislike about it, except one. The sights are regulated to shoot a 6-o'clock bullseye hold. So it shoots a tiny bit high. I think that can be overcome by shooting 185-gr rounds, as they will shoot a bit lower than heavier/slower 230-gr bullets.

I carry both in beautiful leather pancake holsters crafted by John O'Rourke. Either pistol is an exceptional choice for personal protection, plinking fun and range practice.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/1911andXD45web.jpg

nitesite
May 28, 2006, 12:27 AM
Wow, I sure killed this thread, didn't I?

AlaskaErik
May 28, 2006, 03:33 AM
I've always hated the 1911. It took the XD-45 to finally get me to buy something in .45 caliber.

cnyankee
May 28, 2006, 11:42 PM
well thanks for all the info and im letting logic make my decision for me...im getting both...just bought the xd45 and in 30 days ill get the 1911

distra
May 29, 2006, 08:03 AM
Get both, you will not regret it. :D

mikep99
May 30, 2006, 07:15 AM
I am going to go for the XD-45 (I think) first, for the time being. Later on (month or two) the 1911 will come on board.

nitesite
May 30, 2006, 10:19 AM
Please let us know your impressions on the XD-45. Congrats!

BTW, look for a holster or two. The free one with the pistol sucks miserably.

Steelharp
May 30, 2006, 10:22 AM
What IS a good paddle holster for it?

Shame they couldn't have put a little more effort into the one that comes with it...

rageofangels
May 30, 2006, 10:28 AM
When in doubt, get both!!!

I'm sure you wont regret your decision!

Tatu
June 3, 2006, 04:10 AM
Another new comer here...just throwing in my $0.02...I have shot both guns and I loved shooting both. I am a big fan of the 1911a1 because of the history behind it and the beauty of it. The big decision maker for me was the fact that the XD could hold 13+1, but as I was shopping through my local gun shop I found a 1911a1 that holds 13+1 :what: . Plus it was a Springfield also :D . Needless to say I got the 1911 and I have enjoyed it since then.

My suggestion, pick out the pros and cons for both guns and decide from there. Push comes to shove, get one and buy the other one later. Good luck on your gun purchase.

Powder_Burn
June 3, 2006, 12:26 PM
A lot of the XD vs. M1911 decision comes down to what your budget is and whether you value accuracy or magazine capacity more.

I have owned Les Baer 1911's than are guaranteed to shoot 1 1/2" groups at 50 yards but it cost $1,800+. My XD-45 is an awesome combat gun because it is reliable, can shoot 14 times, and only cost $530. However, the XD is fatter and less accurate than a higher end 1911. You'll have to weigh what you value most in a gun to make the best decision. Good luck..

Frenchy
June 3, 2006, 02:33 PM
A lot of the XD vs. M1911 decision comes down to what your budget is and whether you value accuracy or magazine capacity more.

I have owned Les Baer 1911's than are guaranteed to shoot 1 1/2" groups at 50 yards but it cost $1,800+. My XD-45 is an awesome combat gun because it is reliable, can shoot 14 times, and only cost $530. However, the XD is fatter and less accurate than a higher end 1911. You'll have to weigh what you value most in a gun to make the best decision. Good luck..

PB makes a great point here...Examine your priorities. Is "bullseye" accuracy your goal, or combat accuracy over shorter distances important?
What are you willing to spend to achieve your goal? Virtually all of the major make polymer pistols on the market today, will give you a solid reliable gun. It then comes down to a matter of individual preference based on your gut.
While the Glock is not my first choice, I wouldn’t be put out if it was in my holster when a real need arrived.

dumbyhotshot
June 3, 2006, 10:29 PM
Get both... sell the one you like the least later... which will be neither...

What this guy said. Except, just keep both.

kidcoltoutlaw
August 18, 2008, 12:32 PM
Trigger on a 1911. XD trigger can be made good and you don't have to be a pistolsmith to keep it running or live next door to a UPS pick-up station,

Thanks,Keith

kanderson586
August 18, 2008, 06:07 PM
i got em both

wally
August 18, 2008, 06:14 PM
The polymer gun market is getting more crowded every year. The steel pramed pistol market continues to shrink. I'd get the 1911 first.

The XD is a very good gun but if you wait you may get to choose between the XD45 and an XD45m variations, or the 5" M&P Pro from S&W.

--wally.

Dan M.
August 18, 2008, 06:16 PM
Geez, this thread is two years old. He probably made up his mind and got something by now.

kidcoltoutlaw
August 18, 2008, 08:12 PM
He got the 1911 and got pissed because it would not feed JHP's sold it and got a XD or XDM like it did,

Thanks,Keith

Blueduck
August 18, 2008, 08:39 PM
Good advice all...that's all I have to say..I did not have a long post about virtues of either going into the (m) series because I was too dumb to read the whole thread and notice the dates. Nope did not happen ;) )

rob45
August 18, 2008, 09:02 PM
The polymer gun market is getting more crowded every year. The steel pramed pistol market continues to shrink. I'd get the 1911 first.

Oh no you didn't....TELL ME YOU DIDN'T! I KNOW you didn't just predict the demise of the 1911~~!!~~ :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

The 1911 will live forever!:banghead:

I have both...well, I just recently bought an XD and it's a 9MM but it's still an XD. I bought it simply because I have a dog that thinks she needs to be walked every day whether it's 106 degrees or raining or snowing. I work outside as well. The 1911's are my favorites but I can carry the XD and not worry about sweat or rain or having it thrown around in some evidence locker if God forbid I have to use it. So far it's been 100% reliable just like my 1911's have.

Geez, this thread is two years old. He probably made up his mind and got something by now.

Like the 1911's, it may just be too good to die:cool:

Zach S
August 18, 2008, 09:10 PM
I would get the XD. But I already have several 1911s.

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