Charlton Heston steps down in NRA


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George Hill
April 27, 2003, 09:40 PM
I just read in the newspaper that yesterday at the NRA convention, Charlton Heston stepped down.

Who is up for the slot next?


I'm voting for the Motor City Madman.

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Nightcrawler
April 27, 2003, 09:52 PM
I agree with the Ogre. Ted Nugent all the way. He's famous, responsible, and an all-around cool guy.

jsalcedo
April 27, 2003, 09:57 PM
Yeah Ted Nugent is a good choice.

I'm not sure if he will have the Moses crowd appeal but overall Ted is a heck of a guy.

George Hill
April 27, 2003, 09:58 PM
Not only is he famous - but more importantly he is not afraid to joust. He has handled himself and our cause very well every time he went on Politically Incorrect. He'll debate anyone.
Fearless.

Nightcrawler
April 27, 2003, 10:00 PM
And, when in debate, he's articulate without sounding snooty or aloof. He connects with people easily. I've seen him on Hannity & Colmes. "Happy Bass Season, Allen!" LOL

Rembrandt
April 27, 2003, 10:13 PM
I have met Nugent on a number of occassions. Personally I like Ted, his style doesn't offend me, but is a turn off for many others. His message resonates to a particular demographic of the hunting community...for that he has success...but he could have more.

I've also had the privilege to work with Chuck Heston on a number of projects...Heston's style is far more professional and classy. While many may disagree with his views, they are all impressed with his demeanor and presentation....with Ted they may disagree with his views but he doesn't win dissenters over with style like Heston.

Ted got his passion for bow hunting under Fred Bear...but his style is pure "rock-&-roll in your face". Ted is Ted, like him or not....but there comes a point when 40-60 year old "rock and rollers" never mature in their delivery and it doesn't come off very well. Would you buy a car or insurance from a mature individual who talked like teenager? Don't get me wrong, I just think his style needs a little work to reach "all parties". He does some great work with the kids and for the NRA...

mrstang01
April 27, 2003, 10:29 PM
I think Tom Selleck would have a mass appeal, and I've heard his name mentioned in the print media, with the corresponding rumor that he would be interested.

Michael

jsalcedo
April 27, 2003, 10:46 PM
I'm a big Selleck fan but he is not much of a gunner.
He does have more poise and mass appeal than Nugent.

When I saw him get the anti gun screech from Rosie O'dougnut
Selleck handled himself well and did not go off on her.
At the same time he was not willing or able to debate the topic.

Nugent = gun knowledge, hunter, advocate. active politcally, redneck longhair rocker.

Selleck, pro-gun, not that politically active, nice guy, recognition/appeal, not strong on issues.

Dr.Who
April 27, 2003, 10:48 PM
I agree with Rembrandt. Ted is great, but his delivery could be a liability. Just thinking off the cuff, Isn’t Tom Sellek (Not sure if I spelled the Last Name Correct) a pro-gunner? With a name like Magnum and his charm… He could be in the same class as Charlton Heston. Or the Beav, Jerry Mathers, he’s a shooter. It would be great if Arnold Swartzenager was pro-gun, but he’s related to the Kennedy Clan.

It is a shame that we lost another great American to this Alzheimer Disease, Regan, Heston, and many others…
:cuss:

Dr.Who
April 27, 2003, 10:55 PM
Mr.Stang and JASACEDO,
I guess we were all having the same thoughts... You were just faster on the keys.

"Selleck, pro-gun, not that politically active, nice guy, recognition/appeal, not strong on issues."

As far as the issues, this can be learned and coached. Selleck might be a fine choice if he is willing...

:D

Rembrandt
April 27, 2003, 11:14 PM
....a word of caution, one must be careful of putting celebrities at the helm of your organization....name recognition will open doors previously inaccessable, but celebrities can also bring a lot of unwanted baggage (personal problems and scandal).

Many names have been brought up over the years, Louise Mandrell, Ollie North, Hank Williams Jr, retired military leaders, former politicians. Most of these people won't accept the position as long as they have carreer committments. Celebrities have to make money while their career is still in bloom, that may be a lifetime for some and a few years for others.

Don't under estimate the ability of the lesser known. The current President Kayne Robinson is one of the most savy political activists I have ever seen....you will not be disappointed.

Braz
April 27, 2003, 11:18 PM
I agree with a lot of what you say,

I would only ask us to consider our record in this battle to preserve rights granted to us by the constitution. There have been few reversals and a precious few wins, CCW proliferation is the big one, imo. I'm aware of marketing appeal in politics, but maybe it's time for less style and more guile.

Not sure if Ted's the man though. I'm not a fan or a hunter, but I like his enthusiasm. I watch his show on the sportsman channel all the time. I'm afraid his lack of bull and refusal to tolerate it in others might make him a tad too hot for the job though.

I am a fan of Tom's, but he was offered a golden opportunity to defend gun rights and demured. He was polite, but taken aback.

I like John Milus, but come to think of it, I can't think of a single famous champion of 2nd Ammendment rights, that hasn't stepped on a few toes over the years. Col. Cooper? :)

geegee
April 28, 2003, 12:02 AM
I am a fan of Tom's, but he was offered a golden opportunity to defend gun rights and demured. He was polite, but taken aback.
Exactly. If you were to go to a dinner party and you knew that the host's wife was a rabid anti, how could you be taken by surprise (as Selleck appeared to be) if she were to begin an attack on gun owners? :banghead:

My best guess? Kayne Robinson. geegee

AZTOY
April 28, 2003, 12:23 AM
Tom Selleck would be good for the TV and the media.

Ted Nugent would would make alot more noise, but this could be what the NRA and 2nd Ammendment needs. :evil:

Some that will put the old gun in the safe and pick up a AK or a AR.:neener:

George Hill
April 28, 2003, 12:55 AM
Ted Nugent, President of the NRA steps up the the microphone...
Holds aloft an AK-47 and cries "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!"

Judas...

It would cause a revolution!
:evil:
Exactly what the RKBA needs... We need agression and we need our own offensive. And we need it now. Before the AWB gets front page. We take THEM to task. Get BILL O'REILY to read WHAT ONE MUST BELIEVE TO BELIEVE IN GUN CONTROL...
Get Rush to read that too... And Hannity...

Get our cause heard from OUR SIDE and shut down the Million Mamogram March... Get Protest Warriors out to every anti-gun rally.

We need some balls and we need it from the NRA.

DigitalWarrior
April 28, 2003, 01:15 AM
Ted Nugent should be a leader in the KABA movement. However Ted should not lead the NRA! He should create a splinter group. He would draw many with his blue collar intellectual style, and even better he would serve to make the NRA look moderate, and more appealing to politicians.

I like Ted Nugent for the same reasons I like to read the stories of Lazarus Long. Common sense intellectual brutality.:evil:

WonderNine
April 28, 2003, 03:38 AM
I agree the Nuge is the best choice. That would rule!!!

Best wishes to Chuck Heston. He's a great man who has done much to preserve our RTBA.

stevelyn
April 28, 2003, 08:42 AM
The Nuge for NRA President!


The fundamental problem is that for too long pro-gun groups have been fighting an uphill defensive battle, and as a result we keep losing little by little. ( A compromise is a loss, it's just a question of how much)
A Ted Nugent led NRA would be an in-your-face, don't care what you think, pro-gun, pro-freedom organization that would take the fight to the enemy.
Ya'll are deluding yourselves if you think Ted Nugent's tact would make us look bad. I have news for you, the reality is that in the eyes of the antis we already look bad just because we choose to excercise our right to own firearms. We need to stop being a bunch of pansies and fight back with the tenacity and tactics the antis use against us.:cuss: :fire:
Ted Nugent is intellegent, articulate, and speaks his mind. Never once have I ever heard him in a debate be apologetic, nor does he feel the need to sugar-coat facts to make them easier to swallow.

Mauserlady
April 28, 2003, 09:33 AM
However Ted should not lead the NRA! He should create a splinter group.

Ted Nugent's United Sportsmen of America (TNUSA) (http://tednugent.com)

JeanC
April 28, 2003, 12:34 PM
Ted Nugent is fine and all, but he would scare the living bejeezus out of my maiden aunt. You need someone in the position who isn't going to scare the very people you want to listen to your message.

Correia
April 28, 2003, 01:35 PM
Ted Nugent was on Gun Talk the other day. He wants Kayne Robinson to be the leader. Ted is one of his supporters and he really likes Robinson. So there you go. Sorry guys. :)

shooter10mm
April 28, 2003, 04:00 PM
Selleck would be my first choice, Nugent is sure a ball of fire on the RKBA but if we're gonna go full force with a wildman at the helm, Why not get a true warrior to step up. let's get Commander Richard Marchinko USN (retired) to head it up! Certainly he can persuade people to do the right things! :what:

Double Maduro
April 28, 2003, 05:04 PM
I hadn't thought of it before.

Ted Nugent is an enigma. He kills animals to get in touch with their spirit. I watch his show from time to time but not if there is anything else on.

Tom Selleck has always impressed me as a stand up guy. I think he handled himself pretty well with Rosie, tfsb.

I think that I would lean more heavily towards Louise Mandrell, wouldn't that be a blow to the anti's. An attractive, articulate woman as head of the NRA. Half their characterizations of us would go right out the window.

George Hill
April 28, 2003, 05:40 PM
Richard Marchinko, the Felon.

That would be nice.:rolleyes:

JeanC
April 28, 2003, 05:42 PM
Who is Richard Marchinko?

shooter10mm
April 28, 2003, 06:14 PM
George Hill, wasn't he exonerated from all charges? Or am I wrong? Still, he was a warrior of warriors and a former commander of one of my master chiefs, that I hold in high regard.

Rembrandt
April 28, 2003, 07:58 PM
There are two different approaches that can be used to get what you want concerning pro gun legislation....let me use the following example:

A parent and child go shopping at Walmart, the small child wants a toy....parents say no, child begins whinning and begging. Parent still refuses.....now the child is desperate and begins getting louder, crying, and throwing a temper tantrum....parent is embarrassed and frustrated, other shoppers see the situation and want to beat the kid ....child has a 50/50 chance of getting what he wants.

....same situation, only this time the child motions the parent to come closer....gives the parent a big hug and whispers how much they love the parent....parent melts into a puddle of mush, bystanders all smile with affection and parent is proud as punch that this is their offspring....child has 90% chance of getting the toy. The difference in the two senarios is approach to getting what you want.

....Maybe it's not the best illustration, but we can't afford to alienate people opposed to our point of view. Congressmen and Senators need to feel comfortable aligning themselves with 2nd Amendment representatives. They don't want their image or picture taken with someone who might cost them votes. Professionalism will yield far greater results than a person holding an AK daring someone to try an take it away. Hollywood has already portrayed American gun owners as fringe redneck bubbas....we need leaders who portray a firm and professional image.

Peetmoss
April 28, 2003, 08:18 PM
OK I have a serious question about the next NRA president, as well as a comment.

First the question. How is it that alot of us get all bent out of shape when the anti's use a celeb to help there cause and we are all for using a celeb when it benifits us.

Now for my statement I believe an average Joe should be the next president of the NRA. I want someone who knows what real life is like, not some rich celeb. I want someone who can relate to me. Joe Shcmoe the plumber or whatever his occupation is should be the next President of the NRA.

George Hill
April 28, 2003, 08:34 PM
Dirty Dick off the hook? I don't know. Good question.

Just found this...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79658,00.html
Looks like the Nuge isn't up for running the NRA... He wants to run Michigan in '06.


COOL.

Rembrandt
April 28, 2003, 08:37 PM
Here is a little background on the next NRA President....Kayne Robinson is a former military veteran, worked as a police officer for years before becoming assistant Chief of Police for Des Moines. He was also the public relations spokesman for the department, always the person TV reporters interviewed at crime scenes...competitive handgun shooter, loves hunting and sporting clays. Has been active in legislative matters and curbing gun legislation for years. His knowlege of political tactics is impressive... he never won an Oscar or parted the Red Sea, but is very qualified for the position.

Many of the past presidents were also every day folks as well....Marion Hammer, the late Tom Washington, and others....

Missouri Mule
April 29, 2003, 01:36 PM
Uncle Ted....Oh Yeah!

Wouldn't the libs just love that??:neener:

capnrik
April 29, 2003, 06:56 PM
I'd vote for Bill O'Reilly.

geegee
April 29, 2003, 09:42 PM
I'd vote for Bill O'Reilly.
Then you'd be voting for someone who is no friend of gunowning Americans. O'Reilly is fairly conservative, but holds a pretty elitist view of guns. I've heard him spout off a few times and was pretty surprised by what he had to say. I guess if you did a search at Fox News, there may be some info to validate this. geegee

Dr.Who
April 29, 2003, 10:29 PM
Rembrandt,
Excellent example using the Wal-Mart / little boy scenario. Who ever we get must portray NRA in a professional straight forward firm manor that won’t scare Aunt Bea or those that only listen to sound bites and not explore the issues for themselves. This person should already be know in the media/public in a positive light. This way at least when they do speak about the issues, most people will listen for period of time.

That is why I suggested whom I did…

Enjoy…
:rolleyes:

coonan357
April 29, 2003, 10:38 PM
all I hope is the new pres will not comprimise when it comes to our rights like they have in the past .

Snowdog
April 30, 2003, 01:28 AM
An anti-firearms coworker of mine was the first source to inform me that Heston stepped down. I felt like the typical poo-poo head.

It'll be interesting in the next few weeks regarding the NRA hierarchy.

MJRW
April 30, 2003, 01:38 AM
Where did all this Heston-love come from? What happened to the "Heston not doing enough" crowd? Why aren't they chiming in.



P.S. I am unofficially announcing myself as the leading candidate for presidency. I photograph wonderfully. For my qualifications see the "greatest military leader" thread (yes, I am that guy) and "who invented the gun" thread (I also claimed that title).

5ptdeerhunter
April 30, 2003, 08:41 AM
Ted Nugent all the way. He has the voice the NRA needs to be heard. With Ted as the president more people would learn the reasons and goals of the NRA.

RustyHammer
May 1, 2003, 09:27 AM
Of the ones mentioned in this thread, I'd vote for Tom. Get a little coaching on "gun speak" and he'd make a great President. Ted would be good too ... but is more likely to "rock the boat " and in his "kick butt" Rock & Roll style .... (which I personally would enjoy, but may not be good overall).

It's sort of an image thing I guess.

What about Ted as "V.P." ! The dynamic duo ...

JohnBT
May 1, 2003, 11:25 AM
"What happened to the "Heston not doing enough" crowd? Why aren't they chiming in."

Pure human decency most likely. The man has retired from his second career. He is seriously ill. He has done more than most and with more class than any. Why be shrill and annoying when it is more productive to look to the future?

John

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