41 magnum in a Marlin 1894


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JustsayMo
May 26, 2006, 05:16 PM
A neighbor of mine is selling his 41 magnums. He has two that I"m interested in one is a Marlin 1894 and the other is a Ruger Blackhawk. Though I have two 1894's (357 & 44 mag) and two Blackhawks (357 & 45 colt) I'm tempted to buy them even. My heart says "yes!", my mind says "do I really need another caliber?"

I know very little about the caliber but I was very impressed by some 100 yard targets he showed me. Can any 41 magnum fans help me justify it?

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Old Time Hunter
May 26, 2006, 05:44 PM
JustsayMo, the guys and gals over at Leverguns.com would probably be more able to answer this>

richardschennberg
May 26, 2006, 05:53 PM
I like .41 Magnum better than the others. The .357 is a bit underweight for its intended purpose. The .41 has better ballistics than the .44 or .45.
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iamkris
May 26, 2006, 05:53 PM
.41 Mag is the 10mm of revolver cartridges. Incredible performance, very small/very loyal/fanatical fan base, very underappreciated cartridges.

Both were originally developed as the ultimate police round and never caught on because the broader population of officers (and their managers?) thought the recoil was too much to handle.

It is one of the thinking man's cartridges. For p[eople who don't like to do things necessarily the same as everyone else.

My best friend has a Blackhawk that exhibits no less than amazing performance in accuracy and hunting killing power. If you don't buy them, give us a lead...he will.

Brian Williams
May 26, 2006, 05:53 PM
If I had my druthers and did not have my TEOTWAKI stuff in 357 it would or should have been 41 mag. A 1894 and a Ruger make for a nice pair particularly if you can find a potent load that works in both. A .41 is the best of both worlds, a fast flat shooter with some great penetration.

JustsayMo
May 27, 2006, 01:15 AM
Thanks guys. I had a feeling I'd get some good reasons to buy the guns. Now I have to shop for some dies and brass.

I noticed the velocities are pretty impressive in the load manuals. Should I use jacketed bullets or gas checked lead bullets?

Sharps Shooter
May 27, 2006, 02:01 AM
JustsayMo,
You probably know more about shooting cast gas-checked bullets through a Marlin 1894 than I, but my favorite heavy load for my 41 Magnum revolver is a 250 grain Cast Performance WFNGC over 18.0 grains of Lil'Gun, W-W large pistol primer and Starline brass. From a 4" barrel, it gives me just over 1250fps (chronographed, not conjectured) and a very low SD.
Cast Performance also builds a dandy 255 grain WFNGC for 41 Magnums that takes up less room in the case, leaving more room for powder. Unfortunately, I've been unable to use that bullet in my 41 Magnum revolvers because it makes the overall cartridge length too long for my revolver's cylinders.
I use Hornady 210 grain XTPs over 6.8 grains of Titegroup for plinking loads and get a little better than 800fps out of them. I wouldn't be using those fine Hornady XTPs for plinking except that I got a heck of a buy on them. I bought 1 box of them in a farm and ranch supply store and when I got home I found out they only charged me $6.00 for it. So I went back and bought the rest of them they had on hand - 5 more boxes. If I hadn't have gotten those XTPs as cheap as I did, I'd probably use them to work up an all-around load using Lil'Gun or 296 and kick them out just a little better than 1200fps.

Leanwolf
May 27, 2006, 02:31 AM
For many years, I've used a S&W 57 6" in .41 Mag., and a Ruger B.H. in same, 4 5/8" bbl. Both are very accurate with my handloads. Also, have had nearly as good accuracy from Rem. & Win. factory 210 grains JHPs. In 1987, I bought a new 1894S in .41 Mag., to "compliment" the two revolvers. I have a new box of factory Fed. 210 grains JHP, but haven't tried them yet. Imagine they'll do just fine.

Many, many times I've carried them as a "combo" out in the boonies. Never worried about being "undergunned," either. I've killed a medium Mule deer with the rifle, 220 grains hard cast G.C. bullet from Joe Penny, and 21.0 grains H110. Dropped like a sack of wet corn.

Killed a 400 pound Black bear with the S&W 57, Sierra 210 grains JHP and 15.0 grains of Blue Dot. One shot. Bear died before I could shoot him again. He was treed, and was not charging.

I've killed several coyotes with all three .41s, and believe me, it does a number on a coyote.

I have two .44 Mags., but almost never use them anymore, as the .41 Mag. works for me. When I want something a bit bigger, I holster my Ruger B.H. in .45 Colt.

You can't go wrong with the Marlin, or the Ruger.

Be sure and buy a carbide sizing/decap die.

Have fun.

L.W.

Husker1911
May 27, 2006, 04:04 AM
That Marlin rifle in .41Mag is not commonly encountered. If you can obtain it for a reasonable price, snatch it up!

ACP230
May 27, 2006, 10:19 AM
I had a Rossi 92 in .357 Magnum and sold it to buy a Marlin 1894FG.
I haven't missed the Rossi at all. I put an XS peep sight on the Marlin and have had a lot of fun with it.

I don't have a Blackhawk in .41 but it is on the list.
I do have Smith 57s, and a 58 and 657, and two Ruger Redhawks in .41 Magnum. They are great guns and the .41 is my favorite revolver round.

My current reload is a 230 grain semiwadcutter over enough Unique to reach about 900 fps. It's easy to shoot, but effective on pins, plates and plinking targets.

If I were in your place I'd buy both guns.

ChristopherG
May 27, 2006, 12:46 PM
I have the 1894fg in .41 mag (and a bisley blackhawk and 6" 657 companion pieces). It's an excellent level of power for this platform, I think. It did, however, take a good bit of shooting to settle down into an accurate shooter. In my gun, for instance, the bullet I would have wanted to use for economy, the Remington 210 jsp, would not shoot for beans. After a few hundred rounds (during which the barrel was presumably smoothed out), it did get to where I can shoot 2" or so groups (@100 yards) with Hornady XTP's.

My preferred load, though, is Lil' gun and a 250 gas-checked cast bullet, like Sharps Shooter--though I use a pinch more Lil' gun and a leadheads bullet. The high speeds of a carbine put the XTP out of its suggested velocity range. If you want to use a JHP, the Gold Dot would probably have the best chance of performing well and holding together on impact. A Marlin probably won't feed the longer OAL of the 255 or heavier cast bullets; I know mine won't. It will hold about 3" with my 250 cast load out to the functional range of the gun, about a hundred yards. To me, this makes it an ideal brush gun for deer or any medium-sized game. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a big hog or black bear with it.

I suggest a Williams aperature sight for the receiver, and perhaps a hi-viz fiber optic bead to replace the stock front. This combo, on my gun, is very fast and as accurate as the gun is able to shoot. Oh, and a Wild West trigger makes an amazing difference.

If you want a gun that does what the .41 can do, and you're prepared to reload for it and work with it, it's a neat gun. If you want something easy to shoot out of the box with most any factory ammo from any mom & pop, the .357 (which I also have) is a great gun within its limitations.

riverdog
May 27, 2006, 01:14 PM
I'd be all over the Marlin in .41 Mag. It would make a great companion to my S&W Mod 57.

byf43
May 27, 2006, 01:15 PM
Mo,

A good friend of mine has the 1894 in .41 magnum and it is one incredibly accurate little carbine.
Our club had a 'sporting rifle' match where you could shoot anything you wanted, as long as you could load and handle it within the specified time limits.

The range(s) varied from 50 yds to 150 yds in this 'special' match.

Using Williams 'Peep' (rear) sights on that 1894 in .41 mag, my buddy put all 10 shots in the 'black' at 100 yds. (The target was an SR-21 High Power target.)
(One guy using a Winchester mdl 70 in .270 Win. couldn't believe how accurate that .41 was! "WTH?")

He uses WW-296 powder and Hornady JHP bullets.

Buy the rifle. You won't be disappointed!!!!!!

Leanwolf
May 27, 2006, 04:11 PM
CHRISTOPHER - "I suggest a Williams aperature sight for the receiver, and perhaps a hi-viz fiber optic bead to replace the stock front."


I second the motion on the receiver (peep) sight. Either the Williams 5D, or the Lyman 66, will work just fine.

L.W.

ChristopherG
May 27, 2006, 05:13 PM
The Lyman requires the side of the receiver to be drilled and tapped; on the newer guns, it's not. I do prefer the Lyman to the Williams, but not by such a big margin I'm gonna modify the gun to make it fit. The Williams is perfectly adequate and mounts via the holes on the top of the receiver.

JustsayMo
May 27, 2006, 10:19 PM
Do the Williams sights for the newer 1894's require a higher front post?

ChristopherG
May 27, 2006, 10:34 PM
Nope. Stock front worked fine with the Williams on mine.

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