New product from BigIron!


May 27, 2006, 05:56 PM
Jule has come up with yet another great product, one he calls "Power Pellets" or "Power Pills". They are small tablets resembling aspirin that you put over the powder charge before a wad or projectile. You can expect an average of 200 FPS extra using these in almost any revolver - .31, .36, and .44 caliber pellets are available.

These are designed to give you that little extra bit of power when hunting game such as deer, bear, or boar. Also great for personal defense, as it's no problem to leave a revolver loaded with these over an extended period of time.

Cleanup is a breeze, as the pellets promote clean burning of blackpowder. These are also slightly less corrosive than straight blackpowder overall.

We expect these to be available in approximately 6 weeks.

Name the Product
Can you come up with a better name for them than "Power Pellets" or "Power Pills"?

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May 27, 2006, 11:04 PM
Anyone? No ideas?

How about a package of them to the winner, courtesy of myself? :)

May 27, 2006, 11:05 PM
Gah! My post got eaten! I'll retype it in edit.

"Power Pellet" sounds more like an airgun pellet type of pellet. Or a type of bunny food.

Looking for the ultimate in disguised firearms? Is Flopsy getting bullied by the neighborhood cats? Feed your rabbit Power Pellet brand pelleted bunny feed! Guaranteed to make your bunny's "pellets" come out the other end in excess of 2000 fps!

"Power Pill," similarly, sounds more like the name of some kinda actual pill, of questionable medicinal value. Like Redbull in pill form or something.

I guess I could try to think up some names. Hm...

Afterburners. Kinda generic.
Powerboosters. Isn't that an item in some video game or something?
Nitrous Ox-Hide. Logo would be an Ox.
That's all I got for now.

Hm, I just came up with another possible product line idea, completely different. I think it'd be a real big seller. Think I should just post it here, or start a new thread?

May 27, 2006, 11:18 PM
Go for it! lets ALL make a buck helpin each other!

May 27, 2006, 11:19 PM
Nitrous Ox-Hide. Logo would be an Ox.

I like that quite a bit; as to the product idea, start a new thread or post it here. Doesn't matter! :)

May 27, 2006, 11:23 PM
May as well post here then. Disguised guns! Maybe not bunnies, but there could be a big market for guns which look like a cigarette lighter, pack of cards, pen, flashlight, whatever. A cartridge firearm that looks like something else is an NFA item, subject to 8 month wait and $5 tax stamp. But black powder guns aren't firearms, so they're exempt from the NFA. And if they can take standard primers, smokeless powder, and regular jacketed bullets, the market would be even bigger. Would need to look into the legality though, what with the BATF making up their own definition of firearm. Maybe supply them with standard percussion nipples only, with primer nipples as a special order item, allowing the customer to "manufacture" their own firearm, much like one of them .22 barrel sleeves for the .32 cal derringers, or a Kirst conversion cylinder.

May 27, 2006, 11:34 PM
Actually, muzzleloaders that look like something else, unless it can be proved that they're "replicas of antiques", do fall under the NFA. I wanted a cane gun, the BATFE said it'd be an NFA item, unfortunately.

May 27, 2006, 11:37 PM
Could call them after-burners, but I like the Ox one better.

May 27, 2006, 11:37 PM
Well, that sucks. Those crazy people really do just make up whatever definition of firearm that suits their fancy, don't they?

May 27, 2006, 11:40 PM
Yes. :banghead:

Working off the unusual firearms idea, I will have to (or maybe Thom will) mention the idea of howdah pistols to Jule. They're a niche gun, but they sure would attract people with interest in BP firearms!

4v50 Gary
May 27, 2006, 11:56 PM
How about something with "boosters" in it like "power boosters" or "ball boosters." Opps, perhaps not the latter as it suggests something obscene. :rolleyes: "Jumpstart" or "Catalyst" even though the latter isn't entirely accurate. "Accelerator" perhaps?

If they're available in .45 caliber, I'm willing to also try it in my reproduction Whitworth. Now, can one be made for .58 caliber minie guns?

May 28, 2006, 12:02 AM
Jule can fix just about anything up, but I'm not certain. I'll ask him next time I talk to him. :)

May 28, 2006, 12:09 AM
Hm, on the cane gun idea, would it be permissable if it were a crook-necked cane, with a trigger in the usual place, or something like that? They exempted that one pen-gun that folded in half, because the folded pen resembled a gun closely enough. Just trying to think of loopholes.

It's absolutely insane and makes no sense whatsoever that BP firearms are firearms for disguised guns, but not for sawed-off guns, or destructive devices. :banghead:

May 28, 2006, 12:13 AM
Yeah, I know. The government is obnoxious.

May 28, 2006, 12:18 AM
Hm. You know, a good quality double action BP revolver would probably sell fairly well. Especially to folks living in non RKBA states where BP guns aren't "firearms" proper.

May 28, 2006, 12:22 AM
Already in the works. Based on a reliable design, too.

More info when Jule says so. :)

May 28, 2006, 12:28 AM
Very cool. If he'll make a small frame one, like the size of a Colt 1849 or 1862, I'm definitely buying one when I've got the money (after getting a Companion and the upgrade). Full smokeless treatment, in standard .357 caliber, with a 2" snubnose barrel!

Hm. If it's a swing-out cylinder design, he could make it so the cylinder just slides off the whatchamacallit pin. Same for a break-action. Very easy to reload by swapping cylinders, a lot like using moonclips.

May 28, 2006, 12:37 AM
He's way ahead of you. :)

And me.... and everyone else!

May 28, 2006, 12:54 AM
That's for sure!

I notice the website lists barrel calibers from .375" to 20mm. Does that mean smaller ones are out?

May 28, 2006, 12:56 AM
Got an idea for the power-booster name. How about "Ass-Kickers"

For the logo, you have a bullet on it's way out with a big, suprised look on a cartoon face, reaching back to protect a bruised butt?

Second idea: Speedballs - though this may be taking your 'power pill' idea a little too far. :evil:

What about "Throttle in a Bottle" with a big V-8 engine sticking out of a bullet?

Maybe some sort of black-powder optimized bullet (JHP?) with an attached asskicker pellet. "Atomic Bullet" or something.

Further, from reading the NAA Companion thread, if you could start selling the brass wadcutter things... maybe the Drill Press (V-8 powered drill press?) or Rocket Punch (a giant robot, of course) or something? :D

May 28, 2006, 12:59 AM
Maybe if it's ass as in donkey. Have a picture of a donkey kicking the bullet. A bit of a visual pun.

4v50 Gary
May 28, 2006, 02:51 AM
bullet boosters?

Low Key
May 28, 2006, 07:27 AM
Have you maxxed out your loading and you still need that extra kick to get the job done right? Try BIGIRON POWDER BOOSTERS, they can give you an average of 200fps more velocity for those times when you need that extra power from your powder!

??? :)

May 28, 2006, 10:06 AM
Maybe I missed something...what exactly are the power pills? I know what they do, but what's in them? What do they do to the pressure in the cylinder/barrel? Wouldn't adding a little more powder do the same thing? Like I said, maybe I missed something.

May 28, 2006, 10:28 AM
How about "The Extra Edge" or maybe "Bullet Steroids" Mmmm, not enough coffee. I'm not very creative this morning.:rolleyes:

May 28, 2006, 11:32 AM
pohill - nope, adding extra powder wouldn't do the same thing at all, if you could fit enough powder to do it.

They're a special mix of chemicals that, in small amounts, increase pressure (within safe levels) when used with a regular blackpowder charge.

May 28, 2006, 11:47 AM
Damn!!! Third Rail got it, nothin unsafe but i REALLY wanted ta use my worda of tha day!!!!

PROPRIETARY as ta formula. AINT givin tha store away! Well, mebbe for a BIG fee!

Seriously, even tha worst pseudosteel MANNS EDUCATIN ME! cylinder aint gonna get hurt usin em.

Now a Ruger old army, he can load with these all tha way with a little 5 grain null b swiss primer charge, and WOW!!!!!:what: AINT gonna tell ya tha chrono readins, ya wouldnt believe it!

May 28, 2006, 12:05 PM
Sounds interesting. Is it possible that a larger pill might replace powder completely?

4v50 Gary
May 28, 2006, 12:32 PM
Aha! Nitroglycerin accelerants! For warp speed delivery of lead for those who can't wait for personal laser weapons.

May 28, 2006, 12:32 PM
NOT for italian replicas, one only.

May 28, 2006, 12:33 PM
Damn Gary! Ya guessed it! And yous tha new mixer! :) Old one ya can catch ona clear night yet orbitin!

May 28, 2006, 12:41 PM
Gary, Thom is giving you a hard time. They're not dangerous. :D

Any more name entries? Let's keep it going!

May 28, 2006, 02:02 PM
Sour Kraut Pills / Wads

4v50 Gary
May 28, 2006, 02:54 PM
Guys, I know its all in fun and darn if I'm not enjoying it myself.:D

May 28, 2006, 05:01 PM
We have the same thing in England - called CURRY! Always put a toilet roll in the fridge before you go out for one!!

Now, how about:

Me brain's dead now!

May 28, 2006, 05:29 PM

May 28, 2006, 05:44 PM
Power Lifters
Afterburners (already said it once, but hey.)
Power Thrusters

May 28, 2006, 05:52 PM
Pyro-accelerators.....nitro wads....hmm, ain't too good at this.

May 28, 2006, 06:25 PM
How about "Zipp-wads"?

May 28, 2006, 07:02 PM
Warp Drive pills... :D

Hyper Velosity Tabs

Pack a Punch Pill

Ok I'll stop!

Just one more:

Ball Boosters!

May 28, 2006, 10:23 PM
Add a couple hundred feet per second to a black powder-loaded .45-70 Sharps or Rolling Block?

May 28, 2006, 10:26 PM
Gewehr98, I will ask Jule tomorrow when I talk to him. :)

Answer ASAP.

May 28, 2006, 11:01 PM
I think Nitrous Ox is the best I'll be able to come up with. Compresses the power of a nitrous ox into a tiny pill, for extra velocity! Warning, do not put in small children.

Maybe do a reverse abbreviation for TNT, like...
Tri Nitro Tablets
T-something Nuclear Trebuchets
TN Tornadoes
TN Teeth
Toad and Newt Tongues
Titilating Nude Teddybears! :D Okay, I need to lay off the hallucinogens.

I'm horrible at coming up with reverse abbreviations. Or at least coming up with good ones. TNTeeth may be an interesting name though, especially if the pellets look kinda like teeth.

May 28, 2006, 11:42 PM
from what Jules told me, its a low order explosive very similar to black powder. should be interesting. could call it Viagraswartz or Levitraswartz.
When the big hog waddles out into the oat patch will you be ready?

May 28, 2006, 11:55 PM
Mike, it is very similar to black powder, except it isn't black. :)

It produces more gas, and thus more final velocity, than blackpowder, but it doesn't significantly increase the pressure in the amount used in each pellet.

HOWEVER, it is very important that no more than one pellet per chamber be used - the Italian replicas use metal which may barely be called "steel".

May 29, 2006, 12:28 AM
Hm. Kinda like that junk that's used in triple base powder or whatever, that just releases nitrogen gas instead of actually burning? Or something like that.

May 29, 2006, 03:42 AM
RAMLOCK Itsagonatohitayouharderthanayouthinkaluigi!:neener:

Case of WildAlaska fever?

May 29, 2006, 11:04 AM
RAMLOCK Itsagonatohitayouharderthanayouthinkaluigi

Jule's not Italian, but I am, so while I'd like to say that's a winning entry... :D

May 29, 2006, 12:20 PM
Gewehr98 - technically yes. The problem lies in the fact that while these are not corrosive to steel, they will eat through brass over time. You'd have to laquer the inside of the brass, and really, it's not worth the trouble. If you need extra velocity, it would be easier to either use smokeless loads or have the throat reamed out to be able to seat the bullet farther out and thus leave more room for blackpowder in the case.

May 29, 2006, 01:25 PM
+ P Pills

Black + P Powder Pills

Big Iron + P Black Powder Pills


May 29, 2006, 04:41 PM
Gewehr98 - technically yes. The problem lies in the fact that while these are not corrosive to steel, they will eat through brass over time. You'd have to laquer the inside of the brass, and really, it's not worth the trouble. If you need extra velocity, it would be easier to either use smokeless loads or have the throat reamed out to be able to seat the bullet farther out and thus leave more room for blackpowder in the case.

Neither brass case nor rifle bore corrosion has scared me away from loading my stash of balloon-head Rem/UMC cases with Goex FFg or Cartridge BP. I'm a former laboratory supervisor, one of my parting gifts was a Cole-Parmer ultrasonic cleaning tank.

When I'm done with each BP .45-70 round, I deprime it with a handheld Huntington's press and put it in a gallon milk jug of soapy (Dawn) water for the trip home. Once home, the brass is put into the ultrasonerator with Micron cleaning solution and buzzed for an hour at 55 degrees Celsius. Then it's off to the cartridge drying rack:

Once dried, they get a trip to the tumbler with crushed corncob and Dillon Blue case polish. I may switch to the ceramic slurry media later, if just to save time in cleaning. Regardless, the brass looks very good, both inside and out, after firing black powder, so I'm not too worried about the effects of your Power Pills unless you're running something in them closer to the vintage corrosive priming compounds of days gone by.

I'd like to play with the idea of the velocity boost and your Power Pills, because right now, with a full 70gr of Goex Cartridge BP drop tubed in a balloon head Rem/UMC case, and healthy compression with a BP powder compression die, my 500-550gr swaged and cast bullet loads still don't give an audible "crack" from my 32" Sharps. That means to me that they're not going supersonic at the muzzle. A similar load, but using Alliant 2400, and a 485gr Whitworth-style bullet will definitely give the supersonic report, but also a different (painful) recoil impulse.

Of course, maybe good BP .45-70-500 loads never did go supersonic, but it's time for me to yank the chronograph out of the file cabinet and go see just how close I am, I'd like to see 1200fps from my BP loads without having to rechamber to .45-90 or .45-100. And no, I don't want to run smokeless in my Sharps - the gun was designed for BP, the sights are graduated for the BP trajectories, and I've noticed wonderful consistency when running BP.

May 29, 2006, 07:36 PM
I'm going to talk to Jule... maybe I can send you a package on me for testing, if you'd be willing to share the results?

robert garner
May 29, 2006, 10:20 PM (

GreyPulver in a brown wrapper marked acme

May 29, 2006, 10:30 PM
Oh, yeah, I kept forgetting to ask in the Companion thread, and this one is the most active now...

Where's the best place to buy an NAA Companion? Federal Arms Corp. used to have a great price on them, but their stock is now gone, and I've been told they'll no longer be selling that kinda thing. Cabelas is a huge ripoff compared to NAA's MSRP. There's various other places on the interweb, but they never sell the kit, which is what I want. Then there's , which appears to be affiliated with NAA (they list a contact e-mail address that's, but the site hasn't been updated since September 2005...

Kraut Kannons!
Jule's Painkillers

May 29, 2006, 10:35 PM
RyanM - use

$180, delivered, last time I checked. May have gone up a bit, though.

May 29, 2006, 10:42 PM
Cool, though I'd have to send it to NAA to have a new cylinder fitted. Oddly, Cabelas seems to sell cylinders with no fitting, for $38 ( ). Maybe I could just order that along with a Companion from Impact, and have Jule fit the cylinder while he's doing everything else?

Oh, poop, I also forgot to ask. Is Jule's 40 gr copper bullet at 1300 fps load using an LR Companion, or a Mag Companion?

May 29, 2006, 10:57 PM
Don't know, I'll ask him tomorrow.

Back on topic:

Keep up the good suggestions, all! :)

May 30, 2006, 12:20 AM
I'm going to talk to Jule... maybe I can send you a package on me for testing, if you'd be willing to share the results?

As long as those pills fit inside a .45-70 case, and you don't mind me starting a chronographed comparison sequence in a Ruger #1S first. (Can't hurt it with BP loads, even "spiked" or duplex loads, compared to a $1200 Sharps replica) ;)

May 30, 2006, 06:30 AM
Thated be a MAG companion for tha 1,300+ mentioned!

As ta testin GEWEHR 98, tha MANN welcomes yer chrono, no magic jus fact!

Oh! And he mentioned we GOTTA leave off tha ethnic stuff, might amuse us just like american stage german amuses him VE HAFF VAYS UFF MAKING YOUR BULLET FASTER.

But SOMEONE out there would object no sense of absurd ya see! So no more Gonna bitch slap you like a crack ho leroy+P stuff! :)

May 30, 2006, 06:57 AM
There are times Thom when I just don't understand a word you write!
So no more Gonna bitch slap you like a crack ho leroy+P stuff!
Duncan :confused: :confused:

May 30, 2006, 07:20 AM

Tha MANN says seperated by common language. 'Member yer gonnahitayouharderthanayouthinkakuigi? suggestion?

Was a take on that in eubonics here. Fo de black folks. See wes could do this for hillbillies like me too.

I think itsa hoot but SOMEONE would whine!

May 30, 2006, 07:53 AM
Just talked to tha boss, said imagine just what would happen ifin we did somethin with OY VAY in it?

BUNCHA pro whiners out there, wish theyed all go away!

May 30, 2006, 09:32 AM
I agree that there seem to be professional sensitivity police, self appointed, who try to keep us all politically correct. I've never understood why we even give them the time of day. While I believe Jule is right and a product name should not be something that's flagrantly on the edge, nothing will be good enough to head off the whiners. I could complain about saltine crackers. They make fun of poor whites who live south of the Mason-Dixon line. Should be called wafers or something. I just think the concept of being non-offensive is carried to ridiculous extremes and it's refreshing to me to contemplate a product name that sorta tells them to go jump in the lake.


May 30, 2006, 09:42 AM
Living in La Belle France as we do, we (English) are known as 'RoastBeefs' and I have lost count of the times I have refered to Frogs!
Limeys, Pomms, Brits, Des Anglaise phttt! they all arrive from time to time BUT those blasted self righteous political correct twerps need a kick up the crotch.

May 30, 2006, 10:07 AM
I agree! Jus wanta give jesse jackson simlular pc rabble a good ahem, talkin to.

May 30, 2006, 11:00 AM
Enough talk! Buy our stuff, or the dog gets it!


May 30, 2006, 12:06 PM
You silly twisted boy Third Rail!!!! Looks like the dog already got it from here!!!!

Here is one of our Jack Russels a couple of years ago. We were making up a s/s trolly table and he just came and sat on the shelf.

May 30, 2006, 12:08 PM
UH, thats tha MANNS big ass hand on that revolver! Doggies safe, he LOVES his doggies! Wel, mebbe not THAT one!

May 30, 2006, 01:39 PM
Thated be a MAG companion for tha 1,300+ mentioned!

Whew, that's what I thought. 1300 out of an LR frame would be a little too much for me!

So no ethnic stuff means Kraut Kannons is out? The logo could be a picture of Jule hanging out the muzzle of a cannon, throwing a cannonball!

May 30, 2006, 03:53 PM
O.K., O.K. T_R, I'll buy. But what guarantee do I have you won't pop the poodle anyway?

:uhoh: Steve

May 30, 2006, 04:00 PM
Not a poodle, a Bichon Frise. :)

May 31, 2006, 07:24 PM
Anybody wanta raffle? five bucks per ticket one fer shootin tha mutt, one fer not, live on video!

O.K. I'm teasin! That is if anyones horrified by popping the critter, otherwise lets go boys!

June 1, 2006, 01:50 PM
Hate to get back on thread, but how about...............

Big Iron's "BLACK-MAGIC"

fer der power pills?


June 1, 2006, 04:39 PM
Could call 'em Bichon Boosters!

June 6, 2006, 07:23 AM
How about,


June 7, 2006, 02:38 AM
Here's a good question for anybody that works in a place that has a gas spectrometer on site.

All we hear are putdowns on the tin can metal Italian replicas are made of. I agree, on the one hand, that they MAY not be 4140 steel, but don't think they are crap steel.

Take a cylinder into work, mebbe polish a little spot on the face deep enough to get a true reading, have it tested and report back. Mebbe the same for a Colt barrel, sure that the Colt and Rem are made from the same steel by the same maker. If a Pietta owner and a Uberti owner could each do it, or anyone with both, and the access, do it, we could lay to rest the adage that they are made of melted down guard rails.

JFYI, I worked in a steel mill. Our guard rail hot strip was NOT garbage steel. I doubt that the Italians are using junk, but that is the tone you hear on any of these forums.

I'm retired, now, can't take mine in to be analyzed.



June 7, 2006, 03:00 AM
Crack Powder--in handy pill form!

LeoPardners (they are fast and for cowboys)

Ball Blasters

Hi-Octanes---they get the lead out, fast!

Big Zippers. Lay your balls on these and feel the power!

June 7, 2006, 09:05 AM

Dont know about tha suggestions fer product names but oh boy! Sound like a fun guy ta party with! :)

I can hear it now! ' 'Member tha time we BLANKED in BLANK? And that mob with tha pitchforks and torches wuz after us? '


The problem isn't in individual guns but inconsistancy. There is tha BOSS says CUMULATIVE ERROR. Or two cylinders from the same week of production, one doesn't hit C scale and the next could be Rockwell C-30!

When nobody cares enough to insure simple consistancy, ya gotta wonder where the REST of tha problems are.

Oddly, when it comes to tha STAINLESS guns from Pietta or Uberti, the frames and cylinders are according to tha BOSS, quite strong and tough FOR WHAT THEY ARE in his experience.

Its why he uses tha stainless versions for .50 and other types of high pressure conversions but NOT tha blued guns.

June 8, 2006, 05:12 AM

I kinda doubt that. I think they would buy the same category of steel, machine the same, heat treat, if they do an after machining heat treat, the same. They might be Italians, but they are not stupid, nor poor businessmen.

Then, too, they are all proofed. How do you proof a bare cylinder? In the 1860s, during the Civil War, the Rebs were putting 2 pound weights on the chamber mouths for resistance. They held. Why, with even better garbage grade steel that we make today, would the pistols blow up?



June 8, 2006, 08:23 AM
MIGHT be tha same reasons others guns&barrels fail, seams, occlusions/inclusions and BUNCH of stuff i dont know about.

Doubt away, i suppose those well proofed finnish tikkas ('Member mebbe those t3 models recalled after they didnt go boom?) never split their barrels?

Or well proofed glocks never split barrels or those old first run springfield 03's or those savage smokeless muzzleloading guns or, or, or, or, tha list is almost endless.

I'm not a well educated man and even i know ya needs moren ONE cylinder ta test, i looked at onea tha bosses math books on statistics, what i got was that tha larger tha number of pieces, tha bigger tha test number hasta be ta be valid.

Kinda makes me think that bein retired from a steel mill makes ya qualified ta be, well, retired from a steel mill.

Gots some real world work ta do here take care george!

June 8, 2006, 02:14 PM
Depending on their manufacturing techniques, there could easily be that level of inconsistency. Just as an example, since I have no idea how it's done...

Imagine if the heat treating were all done by a machine, on a conveyor belt. The newly-machined cylinders roll along on the belt through a furnace. But! All the heat comes in from one side only! The cylinders closest to the heat source glow cherry red, while the ones furthest away barely get hot at all! Then the conveyor belt dumps them all in a big vat of water. You end up with some that got heated up the right amount, and are good and hard. You got some that were heated too much, and got kinda bent and warped, and maybe a few of those ones accidentally slipped through QC. And then you've got the ones that weren't even hot enough to burn you when they went into the water, and they're dead soft. And everything in between.

4v50 Gary
June 11, 2006, 11:36 PM
OK, bullet boosters didn't take. How about Ball Boosters? :neener:

June 12, 2006, 07:20 AM
"Ball Boosters" as in LAUNCHIN or CHEERIN? :)

June 12, 2006, 01:55 PM
Manyirons, Here are some suggestions:

MagTabs........BP MagTabs
MagnumTabs...BP MagnumTabs
MaxTabs........BP MaxTabs
+P MaxiTabs...BP MaxiTabs

+P Pills (or Tabs)
BP +P Tabs (or Pills)

You may want to use the word "revolver" or "+P" somewhere in conjunction with any of these names. "Plus (+) P" is already understood to confer the meaning of maximum velocity when it comes to pistol ammunition, (or +P+), so why try to reinvent the wheel(gun)? :D

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